Chinese can't 'see' McMahon line

[Gabbar]

Is this a blog too? Mr. Gabber ;

Good job for actually providing debatable source.

Britain revises position on Tibet
Until 2008 the British Government's position remained the same that China held suzerainty over Tibet but not full sovereignty. It was the only state still to hold this view.[28] Britain revised this view on 29 October 2008, when it recognised Chinese sovereignty over Tibet by issuing a statement on its website.[29] Describing the old position as an anachronism and a colonial legacy, Mr. David Miliband, the British foreign secretary, even apologised for Britain's not having done so earlier.[30] The Economist stated that although the British Foreign Office's website does not use the word sovereignty, officials at the Foreign Office said "it means that, as far as Britain is concerned, 'Tibet is part of China. Full stop.'"[28] Tibetologist Robert Barnett thinks that the decision has wider implications. India’s claim to a part of its northeast territories, for example, is largely based on the same agreements — notes exchanged during the Simla convention of 1914, which set the boundary (the McMahon Line) between India and Tibet — that the British appear to have just discarded.[30]
McMahon Line - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Come on, keep up with your low life deny mode !!

But you are fogetting that when Tibetian government threw all Chinese troops and officials, after the fall of Qing dynasty, and declaired independence in 1913.
The agriment was signed between Tibetian government and British government.The agreement refers to a map with the McMahon line drawn on it. After Beijing repudiated Simla, the British and Tibetan delegates attached a note denying China any privileges under the agreement and signed it as a bilateral accord. You are trying to argue that British appologized but you are forgetting that British are not in controll of India any more, it the Democratic republic of India. British appology does not mean a thing any more.

 

[rizhussain44]

You apparently have no idea about the Kashmiri sentiments now do you? I and my friends are sort of politically active and kinda understand the politics over there.
Given a choice between India and Pakistan, Kashmiris definitely prefer India, its anybodys guess as to why. Heres one comment I got from my Kashmiri friend in a round of heated discussions "Apna ghar to sambhalta nahin, doosron ke ghar pe nazar maare!" That pretty sums up the Kashmiri sentiment towards Pakistan. Wake up!
The reason for such a huge presence of Indian troops is becasue theres a COIN operastion going on there. If you know anything about COIN operations, the first mantra is "boots on the ground"! Those troops are there not for occupying, but to deter terrorists and deny them opportunities from launching attacks!

I am not saying anything about Kashmiris wanting to be part of Pakistan. That's a separate debate. Here I only pointed out their desire to separate from India. So this makes more than half of your response irrelevant.

Regarding the so called COIN operation there, Ok I agree that given the size of Indian controlled Kashmir (as compare to Swat) these many troops are required there for such an operation but why is it taking you so long, like forever to complete this operation. Did you see how swiftly Pakistani Troops made progress in Swat? Does Indian military has a timeline for completing it? or have they achieved any significant success there during all this time? any progress? No, it hasn't. That explains what kinda operation it is.

If Indian Military had the support of local people in Kashmir, like Pakistani Military had in Swat, they would have made some progress there by now. This tells how much the Kashmiris want to be with India

 

[grey boy 2]

No, China and Japan had their own private little war - or incidents as you called it then - going on! China was soundly routed, but after the Perl Harbor attack and the battle of Midway, did the war turn against the Japanese and US was able to defeat them. The allies consisted of Australia, UK, India, but not the Chinese.



Good for you that you kicked our @ss in 1962! Its very clear that you dont understand war. Thank you. You know, its 2009 now and we are itching for some serious payback! C'mon and try it and see Tibet become a free country!
Oh btw, atleast I do think, can you?

Mr. gubbi ; Please don't insult others wisdom, history don't lie,

Why keep embarrass youself by denying FACTS ?

The Allies of World War II were the countries that opposed to the Axis powers during the Second World War.[1] The involvement of the Allies in World War II was either natural and inevitable – they were invaded or under the direct threat of invasion by the Axis – or compelled by concerns that the Axis powers would come to control the world.[2] The leaders of the United Kingdom, Soviet Union and United States of America, known as "The Big Three",[3] held leadership of the Allied powers. France, before its defeat in 1940 and after Operation Torch in 1942, as well as Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the Republic of China[4][1][5] and Poland were also major allies.[6]

Allies of World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do continue your mental mast.......tion in your LaLa land, Goodluck.

 

[grey boy 2]

Good job for actually providing debatable source.



But you are fogetting that when Tibetian government threw all Chinese troops and officials, after the fall of Qing dynasty, and declaired independence in 1913.
The agriment was signed between Tibetian government and British government.The agreement refers to a map with the McMahon line drawn on it. After Beijing repudiated Simla, the British and Tibetan delegates attached a note denying China any privileges under the agreement and signed it as a bilateral accord. You are trying to argue that British appologized but you are forgetting that British are not in controll of India any more, it the Democratic republic of India. British appology does not mean a thing any more.

Another low class denying act by Mr. Gabbar !!

First of all , British was your master in 1914 when the so call simla

accord signed.India was only a British colony, being a colony,

you have no foreign policy excecution right.

So when your old British master admitted the so call McMahon line

was illegal, anything related to the so call McMahon line became illegal.



Please feel free to continue your low life denying mode.

 

[Nemesis]

The Dalai Lama accepts that AP is part of India. The Tibetan government in exile recently made a statement on the lines of "tawang is a part of India, China has no business protesting the Dalai Lama's visit to a part of India. These are facts. Now chew on them.

As far as China being an ally of the allied forces in the second world war and not India. India lost 87,000 military personnel fighting the axis powers in Europe and North Africa. Once again, fact not propaganda.

 

[beckham]

India, officially the Indian Empire, declared war on Germany in September 1939. The Provinces of India (which included most of modern-day India and the present day Bangladesh and Pakistan , being imperial colonies of Great Britain, were by default a part of the Allies of World War II. Several Indian princely states provided large donations to the Allies to combat the threat of Nazism and Fascism.

The financial, industrial and military support of India formed a crucial component of the British campaign against the Axis powers. India's strategic location at the tip of the Indian Ocean, its massive production of armaments, and its huge armed forces contributed decisively in halting the progress of Imperial Japan in the South-East Asian theatre.The Army of India was one of the largest Allied forces contingents which took part in the North and East African Campaign, Western Desert Campaign and the Italian Campaign. At the height of the World War, more than 2.5 million Indian troops were fighting Axis forces around the globe.

After the end of the World War, India emerged as the world's fourth largest industrial power and its increased political, economic and military influence paved the way for its independence from the United Kingdom in 1947.

India in World War II

 

[grey boy 2]

The Dalai Lama accepts that AP is part of India. The Tibetan government in exile recently made a statement on the lines of "tawang is a part of India, China has no business protesting the Dalai Lama's visit to a part of India. These are facts. Now chew on them.

As far as China being an ally of the allied forces in the second world war and not India. India lost 87,000 military personnel fighting the axis powers in Europe and North Africa. Once again, fact not propaganda.

Let me help you to get your FACTS right.

India lost 87,000 military personnel for Your old British Slave

Master fighting in the world war 2. Thats FACTS

 

[zavis2003]

China needs not to see it
actually Aruna pardesh needs CHALL to china
\india is comprisess of land owns to other like Bangal to BD kashmir to PAK , AP ASAM chattisgarh jharkand to China
tamil nado to tamils asam to nixels , only remaining part is RASHTRYA PATI BAWAN which is to INDIAN SARKAR

 

[beckham]

China needs not to see it
actually Aruna pardesh needs CHALL to china
\india is comprisess of land owns to other like Bangal to BD kashmir to PAK , AP ASAM chattisgarh jharkand to China
tamil nado to tamils asam to nixels , only remaining part is RASHTRYA PATI BAWAN which is to INDIAN SARKAR

Useful post !!

 

[R.A.W.]

China needs not to see it
actually Aruna pardesh needs CHALL to china
\india is comprisess of land owns to other like Bangal to BD kashmir to PAK , AP ASAM chattisgarh jharkand to China
tamil nado to tamils asam to nixels , only remaining part is RASHTRYA PATI BAWAN which is to INDIAN SARKAR

On the same line of Balochistan to Baloch
FATA and NWPF to Taliban
Kashmir to India

So what is left is Punjabistan......

 

[beckham]

Of course, only Indians can see that "line". And Indians can even smell what kind of socks her Majesty wears thousands miles away.

Does that include Our neighbors ,who were part of British India !

you people are lucky ,you don't have to go 1000's of miles, you can hear J-pop just over the neighborhood !

 

[Thomas]

McMahon line is illigal as Chinese did not signed that Simla Accord. That's why Chinese can't see McMahon line.

Indian used McMahon line (British legacy) to seize more territories.

To have a proper border, both sides have to negotiate and set a line for both to recognise. I believe that is tough as both side had their interest to take care.

ohh, like china did with Tibet?

 

[Nemesis]

India lost 87,000 military personnel for Your old British Slave

Master fighting in the world war 2. Thats FACTS

No, India lost 87,000 military personnel when India was under the British. The government of that time - whether legitimate or otherwise - declared war on the axis powers. Now before you come back with another wisecrack, let me remind you that India pre 47 included Pakistan and Bangladesh. So the 87,000 included personnel whose family now reside in these nations. So, do you really want to insult Pakistani martyrs on a Pakistani Defence Forum? That's a one way ticket to be banned. Fact.

 

[Gabbar]

Another low class denying act by Mr. Gabbar !!

Bruised your ego? eh......

First of all , British was your master in 1914 when the so call simla
accord signed.India was only a British colony, being a colony,
you have no foreign policy excecution right.

So what? Since when you came up with that rule? Colony or not, AP is a and will be part of India.

So when your old British master admitted the so call McMahon line
was illegal, anything related to the so call McMahon line became illegal.

You can keep repeating same thing over and over agian like a broken record but bilital accord was signed and by the powers in control during that era.

Please feel free to continue your low life denying mode.

 

[applesauce]

The Dalai Lama accepts that AP is part of India. The Tibetan government in exile recently made a statement on the lines of "tawang is a part of India, China has no business protesting the Dalai Lama's visit to a part of India. These are facts. Now chew on them.

As far as China being an ally of the allied forces in the second world war and not India. India lost 87,000 military personnel fighting the axis powers in Europe and North Africa. Once again, fact not propaganda.

1. AP is a part of india because the tibetian government agreed NOT the chinese government and since the leader of tibet himself agrees tibet is a part of china those agreements are null and void having no legal standings in the first place.

2. india as a nation didnt exist in WW2, fact not propaganda.