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China's Warm welcome awaits Admiral Mike Mullen

No country will go to war with China for Vietnam. Give it up my friend.

Why ?we need no one fight together with us, we just need their support, that all bro.

Urinium enrichment from US, India craft overhaul and upgrade are the bigest help untill now, but we need more powerfull weapon and have a right to manufacture them. so, let keep watching the show :smokin:
 
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That's our old Su-27SK, not J-11B. Mullen got taken for a ride, figuratively and literally.
 
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That's our old Su-27SK, not J-11B. Mullen got taken for a ride, figuratively and literally.

sorr, my error.



老大别接揭穿啊,我是忽悠猴子和三哥的,让他们看看咱们的公开,怎么把你先忽悠了:undecided:
 
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No country will go to war with China for Vietnam. Give it up my friend.
They don't have to go to war with China, they need only pass on intelligence to Vietnam sufficient for China to be defeated if conflict between them does occur. (Wasn't that what the Japanese did in 1979?)
 
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They don't have to go to war with China, they need only pass on intelligence to Vietnam sufficient for China to be defeated if conflict between them does occur. (Wasn't that what the Japanese did in 1979?)

Defeated? In how they still beat Vietnamese into the ground in every single engagement?
 
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Defeated? In how they still beat Vietnamese into the ground in every single engagement?
Not every single engagement, we lost quite a few battles actually. 50th Army's 448th Regiment was devasted during the retreat, and 219 were captured by Vietnamese. That was the heaviest Chinese casualties sustained in a single battle since Korean War. Give credits where it's due, the Vietnamese fought very well and did caused us significant problems. In short, we underestimated them.

On the other hand, the navy whipped them pretty good.
 
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Not every single engagement, we lost quite a few battles actually. 50th Army's 448th Regiment was devasted during the retreat, and 219 were captured by Vietnamese. That was the heaviest Chinese casualties sustained in a single battle since Korean War. Give credits where it's due, the Vietnamese fought very well and did caused us significant problems. In short, we underestimated them.

On the other hand, the navy whipped them pretty good.

You're like an Asian parent that scolds a kid for getting only a 90 on a test.
 
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You're like an Asian parent that scolds a kid for getting only a 90 on a test.
The military's performance in 1979 was far from a 90. Tactically it was poorly led and organized. The troops were under-equipped and suffering from lack of training due to Cultural Revolution. We didn't force Vietnam to withdraw from Cambodia and we never pushed deeper than 60km.

If you're talking about the period from 1984 to 1989, then yes we did beat them to a pulp.
 
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They don't have to go to war with China, they need only pass on intelligence to Vietnam sufficient for China to be defeated if conflict between them does occur. (Wasn't that what the Japanese did in 1979?)

Are you sure???

Wasn't that war backed by your Yank!? How could Japanese pass on intelligent to Vietnam at that time while Japan was absolutely have no military activities and influences!?

If Japan have influence in 1979 then where was South Korea or Russia!? it must be more!?

You sound quite dangerous; "defeated!?" humm. You lost the war in Vietnam, weren't that Russian and Chinese!? humm
 
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They don't have to go to war with China, they need only pass on intelligence to Vietnam sufficient for China to be defeated if conflict between them does occur. (Wasn't that what the Japanese did in 1979?)

That's what the Americans did for China in 1979.
 
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Are you sure???
No, I'm not. I'm relying on my memory of a decades-old newspaper or newsmagazine report.

Wasn't that war backed by your Yank!?
No, we were still smarting from the N. Vietnamese absorption of S. Vietnam, otherwise the U.S. would not have protested Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia to depose the genocidal Pol Pot regime.

How could Japanese pass on intelligent to Vietnam at that time while Japan was absolutely have no military activities and influences!?
If Japan have influence in 1979 then where was South Korea or Russia!? it must be more!?
While the U.S. had no bone to pick with China, the Japanese and Russians did. As GRU defector "Victor Suvorov" wrote, the Soviets had an extensive intelligence network in Japan throughout the Cold War. Powerful enough to get Japanese agents to do their bidding at times, maybe even with Japanese gov't connivance. Just a small matter of Russia providing info to a Japanese agent who then passed it on to Vietnam. (Doing it that way prevented a direct confrontation between China and Russia, I guess.)

You lost the war in Vietnam, weren't that Russian and Chinese!? humm
Russia yes, China no. The Chinese referred to themselves as North Vietnam's "reliable rear area" - that is, they were ideologically sympathetic but as a State matter committed to never invade or provide direct support of the North Vietnamese the way they did with the North Koreans. In his memoirs Kissinger records that for some years before hostilities between Vietnam and the U.S. cease the Chinese were building a road through China and Laos near the Vietnamese border; it was some time before U.S. analysts realized its purpose was to defend against or facilitate hostilities with North Vietnam. The Chinese realized that the Americans would not be staying forever and eventually they'd have to face the North Vietnamese alone.
 
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