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What Ma meant is that China is ahead of the US in terms of the development of 3 MW High Speed Induction Motor (the one on his left) and the HSIM is going to be installed on the next generation nuclear submarine.
I think that HSIM is coupled to a shaftless propulsion system...this guy is a genius, his speciality is ship power systems. From electric propulsion to EMALS.
 
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马伟明这类人才是中华民族的脊梁,而不是那些急着移民的老板或是那些靠唱歌跳舞出卖色相就赚几个亿的明星。马伟明应该破例可以讨四个清华女研究生当老婆,每个给他生5个小孩。我们国家就有希望了。

所有费用国家报销

就像以前杨家将一样,搞一个马家将出来。

专门负责领导我国的电磁应用技术。
 
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Ma Wei Ming shall have 5 kids, he is too clever.

China has many geniuses, giving them good conditions, they will surprise you.
sooner you will see there are something called "black science" or "fringe science" that not be allowed to mention today.
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I think that HSIM is coupled to a shaftless propulsion system...this guy is a genius, his speciality is ship power systems. From electric propulsion to EMALS.

It is possible, but Ma disclosed nothing about the shaftless water-jet pump.
 
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It is possible, but Ma disclosed nothing about the shaftless water-jet pump.
shaftless pump itself is a kind of HSIM; Ma's work made possible to produce qualified shaftless pump. on the other hand, as Ma said, high energy integrated electronic system solved the issues that high energy weapon, such as EMALS, LASER(Plasma &RF), on board.
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shaftless pump itself is a kind of HSIM; Ma's work made possible to produce qualified shaftless pump. on the other hand, as Ma said, high energy integrated electronic system solved the issues that high energy weapon, such as EMALS, LASER(Plasma &RF), on board.
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My bad. I made a big translation mistake. It is a 3 MW High Speed Induction Generator (HSIG, rather than HSIM), so it has nothing to do with the shaftless jet pump.
 
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My bad. I made a big translation mistake. It is a 3 MW High Speed Induction Generator (HSIG, rather than HSIM), so it has nothing to do with the shaftless jet pump.
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/plan-type-093-094-095-nuclear-submarine-thread.t6883/page-115

Read Sinodefence analysis, the shaft less propulsion system was accidentally leaked there when he was talking about the HSIG.

Superdog of sinodefence explained it better:

Source: Recent interview with Prof. MA Weiming shown on CCTV's <Focus Report>.
http://tv.cctv.com/2017/05/30/VIDElSeSLderAFlcnlzhUzhn170530.shtml (starting at 8:00)

It was reported in the interview that (as claimed by Prof. MA and the narrator):
  • China was the first in the world to have successfully developed Medium Voltage DC Integrated Electric Systems.
  • Their progress in this field is 10+ years ahead of everyone else, including the US.
  • They already won multiple awards with key IEP technologies (did not specify), now they're applying for another national award with the IEP project. One of MA's students is the project lead.
  • The key purpose of their Naval Integrated Electric System is to allow the use of high energy weapons on ships, not just to improve noise, maneuverability, or efficiency. Those side benefits do exist, but the key purpose is to use high energy weapons on ships.
  • During the interview MA pointed to a device explaining that it was their first project that has been ahead of the world. He did not explain what the device is, but from the looks of it, it is fairly clear that the device is a shaftless electric pump propulsion system for submarines.
  • MA did not mention anything specific about the 095, he did not claim that whatever model will or will not be quieter than whatever else. What he did say was that they're ahead of the world in regards to this technology, and he did say it is something that will be used on their next generation nuclear submarine. He also said the tech is already being applied, implying that construction for said submarine has begun (if not completed).
Btw, the TV program specifically said this was the first time media was allowed entry to the navy lab. Something to ponder here? I would like to correct superdog of sinodefence, Ma did not say the machine is going to be used on next generation submarine, he said it is already used in next gen submarine, this sentence alone is very dangerous, it means the submarine is near completion or already completed.

China has many geniuses, giving them good conditions, they will surprise you.
sooner you will see there are something called "black science" or "fringe science" that not be allowed to mention today.
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What's this?

This is nothing more than a model with the introducing board beside it.
A model in a lab with a introduction board which he pointed and said won a prize. You think he would put a dummy in a lab?
 
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sorry, i can not discuss that here since it is not serious discussion.
sooner or later someone else will disclose it.

i will leave PDF for several months.

i was intending to open a new talk, but now forget it.
do you know the relationship among the below three pict?
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Some sort of nano material for biological applications. Some papers had been published for this. Anyway your previous picture shows some sort of supercavitation technology test rig for submarine.

超空泡 = Supercavitation

http://www.popsci.com/article/technology/chinas-future-submarine-could-go-speed-sound

Btw, this is official from MOD China,

Navy expert: China's electromagnetic launch technology no inferior to America
http://eng.mod.gov.cn/DefenseNews/2015-03/10/content_4574056.htm

Ma WeiMing is a technical rear-admiral....LOL
 
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  • China was the first in the world to have successfully developed Medium Voltage DC Integrated Electric Systems.
Correct.

  • Their progress in this field is 10+ years ahead of everyone else, including the US.
Correct.

  • They already won multiple awards with key IEP technologies (did not specify), now they're applying for another national award with the IEP project. One of MA's students is the project lead.
Correct.

  • The key purpose of their Naval Integrated Electric System is to allow the use of high energy weapons on ships, not just to improve noise, maneuverability, or efficiency. Those side benefits do exist, but the key purpose is to use high energy weapons on ships.
Correct.

  • During the interview MA pointed to a device explaining that it was their first project that has been ahead of the world. He did not explain what the device is, but from the looks of it, it is fairly clear that the device is a shaftless electric pump propulsion system for submarines.
Wrong. During the interview, Ma said,

“这两个得了一等奖了……这个也得了一个一等奖的……这个后来因为有了这两个技术(作为基础),这个就是我说的,是我们团队在世界上第一个领先项目,领先就是领先美国。”

It is clear that what Ma mentioned were all generators. This is also conformed by Ma's speech,

“3兆瓦级高速感应电机系统很快研制成功。这一创新成果先于美国研制成功,几步跨越确立了我国在该领域的国际领先地位。”


  • MA did not mention anything specific about the 095, he did not claim that whatever model will or will not be quieter than whatever else. What he did say was that they're ahead of the world in regards to this technology, and he did say it is something that will be used on their next generation nuclear submarine. He also said the tech is already being applied, implying that construction for said submarine has begun (if not completed).

What Ma meant is that the 3 MW HSIG has been applied already.
 
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Wrong. During the interview, Ma said,

“这两个得了一等奖了……这个也得了一个一等奖的……这个后来因为有了这两个技术(作为基础),这个就是我说的,是我们团队在世界上第一个领先项目,领先就是领先美国。”

It is clear that what Ma mentioned were all generators. This is also conformed by Ma's speech,

“3兆瓦级高速感应电机系统很快研制成功。这一创新成果先于美国研制成功,几步跨越确立了我国在该领域的国际领先地位。”




What Ma meant is that the 3 MW HSIG has been applied already.
Agreed, but the shaftless propeller was coupled to tht generator as a system, and the board showed wht it was. I guess China would not officially acknowledge it...but you saw that board. He did point at the board and said it won a prize without elaborating further.

The sceptism here is so strong even when a rear admiral was showing it. A working prototype with a board explaining the technology is just a dummy. There was already a research paper published and yet people dont believe if. I guess let us just assume the Chinese are dumb and can never come out with something advanced.
 
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China's new submarine engine is poised to revolutionize underwater warfare

It looks a lot like 'Red October' in real life.

By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer 10 hours ago
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RED OCTOBER SSBN

The Red October, a fictionalized version of the Akula (NATO reporting name Typhoon) submarine, has two pumpjets built into its rear for silent propulsion (though implausibly stated to use a noisy magnetohydrodynamic drive in the movie). According to Chinese state media, the nation's new nuclear submarines will soon use a similarly silent, cutting-edge pumpjet.

Paramount Pictures

In Tom Clancy's book (and, later, the 1990 film) The Hunt For Red October, a Soviet submarine debuts a revolutionary, ultra-quiet engine that uses pumpjets and electrical propulsion technology to elude its foes. Chinese state media has reported that the nation is fitting its newest nuclear sub with an engine that sounds a lot like Clancy's imaginings in the real world.

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THE ADMIRAL AND THE PUMPJET

During his interview on state television, Admiral Ma Weiming, developer of the rim-driven pumpjet, shows off a laboratory, with a schematic of the pumpjet visible in the background, at right.

CCTV 13

This month, Chinese state TV channel CCTV 13 broadcast an interview with a top Chinese naval engineer, Rear Admiral Ma Weiming. The admiral is notably responsible for the development of multiple Chinese naval electromagnetic programs, including the electromagnetic catapult and railguns. In the interview, he stated that the PLAN is fitting its newest nuclear attack submarines with a "shaftless" rim-driven pumpjet, a revolutionary and silent propulsion system.

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TYPE 095 SSN

The Type 095 SSN, seen in this speculative fanmade CGI, will likely have VLS cells for launching a wide range of cruise missiles, pumpjet propulsion, and improved quieting technology. (This earlier CGI shows the Type 095 with a more conventional pumpjet, though.)

Medico-MAX

If the system is being put on the latest vessels, it is likely to be used on the first Type 095 nuclear attack submarine (SSN), which is under construction.

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RIM DRIVEN THRUSTER

Shown here is a Schottel built rim-driven thruster, used to propel surface ships like yachts with minimal noise (the Chinese miltary rim-driven pumpjet would look similar but much larger).

Schottel

A rim-driven pumpjet has a ring-shaped electrical motor inside the pumpjet shroud, which turns the vane rotor (a vane rotor has the fan blades attached to a rotating band built on a cylinder interior, as opposed to a propeller shaft) inside the pumpjet cavity to create thrust. Previous submarine pumpjets are "shrouded propellers," which consist of a tubular nozzle covering the propeller. By removing the shaft of the propeller, the reduction in the number of moving parts decreases the noise made by the pumpjet, as well as saving hull space. Civilian manufacturers also claim that rim driven pumpjets are easier to maintain, and have less cavitation (bubbles that form during propeller movement), making them even more quiet.

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IEPS

Rear Admiral Ma presents a component of the new Chinese IEPS for naval warships; the Chinese variant is the world's first IEPS to run on a medium-voltage, direct-current system.

CCTV 13

Also in the video background was a large piece of electrical machinery, which is part of the PLAN's Integrated Electrical Propulsion System (IEPS). IEPS turns all the output of the ship's engine into electricity, unlike traditional propulsion designs, which convert engine and reactor output into mechanical action to turn the propeller shaft.

The high electrical output can be used to power motors for the propellers or potentially high-energy weapons. Additionally, IEPS has far fewer moving parts, making them quieter, and thus ideal for use on submarines. When coupled with quieter reactors like the Type 095's reported natural circulation reactor, the rim-driven pumpjet and IEPS can drastically reduce the acoustic signature of any SSN.

This combination, if it works, would be a significant gain for China's naval power. As China has gained in surface fleet numbers, stealthy planes, and longer-ranged missiles able to target U.S. carriers and air bases, America's submarine force has become viewed as its key advantage in any comparison. In turn, Chinese nuclear submarines have lagged behind competitors in their noisiness. Said another way, these innovations have the potential to strengthen a historic weakness.

The reporting is significant for two more reasons. First, it illustrates the new openness in Chinese state media to discuss the technology behind previously secretive nuclear submarines, suggesting a greater confidence in showing off new military technology in order to impress domestic and foreign audiences.

Secondly, if the system works, the Chinese may have stolen a march on the Americans and British, whose Columbia and Dreadnought nuclear ballistic missile submarine (SSBN) have the option for rim-drive pumpjets, but will not enter service until 2030. While the system would be on China's attack submarine, Chinese SSBNs could also use the rim-drive pumpjet to enhance their stealth and survivability—and, by extension, the credibility of China's second strike nuclear capability. These new submarine propulsion systems may not just power China's submarines of the future, but give Beijing a true superpower's underwater armada.

http://www.popsci.com/china-new-submarine-engine-revolutionize-underwater-warfare
 
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Agreed, but the shaftless propeller was coupled to tht generator as a system, and the board showed wht it was. I guess China would not officially acknowledge it...but you saw that board. He did point at the board and said it won a prize without elaborating further.

The sceptism here is so strong even when a rear admiral was showing it. A working prototype with a board explaining the technology is just a dummy. There was already a research paper published and yet people dont believe if. I guess let us just assume the Chinese are dumb and can never come out with something advanced.

Guys from certain corners of the world in this forum have difficulty in accepting the fact that Chinese are among the smartest people in the world.

There is nothing that we can't accomplish when two conditions are met: money and time.

Do I sound racist? Of course not. I say this matter-of-fact-ly.
 
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