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China's salvage operation to help recover Indonesian submarine ‘a worry for the West’


6:59PM MAY 6, 2021


The Chinese navy has begun an unprecedented salvage operation to help recover for free the Indonesian submarine Nanggala — a soft power win for Beijing that also offers an opportunity to map one of the region’s most important straits linking the Indian Ocean and South China Sea, analysts say.

Indonesia has accepted the PLA Navy’s offer to send three vessels, including its most advanced hydrographic survey ship the Tansuo 2, to help lift the 44-year-old submarine, which sank in waters north of Bali during torpedo drills near the Lombok Strait with 53 crew members on board last month.

An Indonesian navy spokesman said the defence ministry had received offers from Australia, the US, Japan, Russia and China to help recover the 1395 tonne naval vessel — in three pieces on the seabed at a depth of 838m — but had accepted Beijing’s offer “because their ships were already close to Indonesia … and it’s completely free”.


The spokesman confirmed that all three Chinese vessels, and 48 specialist People’s Liberation Army deep-sea divers, had begun the salvage operation after the Tansuo arrived in port late on Wednesday, but the Indonesian cable-laying vessel, Timas 1201 — which will help lift the wreck — was still on route.

Two Indonesian navy vessels were also at the site, according to the spokesman, who added: “We need to monitor them so they don’t carelessly take data”.

The Nanggala is Indonesia’s first submarine accident, and the government is under pressure to retrieve the bodies of its lost submariners and determine the cause of the tragedy. Still, its decision to accept China’s offer has raised eyebrows given regional concerns over Beijing’s maritime aggression, and the potential for the PLA navy to lay surveillance sensors in one of the region’s most important shipping straits.

Beijing has made no secret of the potential benefits of the salvage mission, with one submarine expert telling the state-run Global Times that the operation would help further China’s national security objectives. The mission would allow China to “study the maritime military geography of the area where the submarine was wrecked, as well as expanding the international co-operation and influence of our navy in submarine rescue and salvage”, the expert added.

The Lombok Strait is favoured by nuclear-powered submarines because it is deeper and less busy than the Malacca Strait, and because vessels are not required to surface and show their flag while transiting through it. The strait is also heavily used by Australian commercial shipping traffic.

An Australian defence ministry spokesman said HMAS Ballarat — the first foreign vessel to join the search last month — had left the area and Australia had “not been asked to contribute further capabilities to the salvage”.

The Australian understands the US did offer assistance but did not offer to pay for the salvage, which naval experts have estimated could cost up to $200m given the weight of the vessel and the depth to which it has sunk.

Regional security analyst Malcolm Cook told The Australian it was the first time China — and not traditional maritime assistance nations such as the US, Australia and Japan — “would be the provider of external help for a southeast Asian country in a situation like this”.

“If you were to script a movie about how to enhance Chinese soft power diplomacy in Indonesia, I’m not sure you could get a better plot,” Dr Cook said. “The Lombok Strait is the most important strait for submarine traffic, which is the most sensitive of military traffic and hard to track.

“If they can map the area they will have a much better idea of the sea floor and currents in the Lombok Strait which would be of benefit to Chinese submarines. If they are also able to leave sensors in the strait they would be able to track who goes through, which would be very detrimental to those who use it.”

Singapore-based maritime security analyst Collin Koh said the PLA Navy was clearly eager to project a softer image in a region where it has seized and militarised a number of disputed South China Sea islands and regularly breached sovereign maritime boundaries, though likely also had “ulterior motives”.

Dr Koh said the PLA’s deployment of its most sophisticated oceanographic survey vessel rang alarm bells given its ability to perform “all sorts of functions including the placement of sensors and other things that can be left unattended for long periods of time and can transmit data”.

“I would think that would be a huge concern for everybody. Whatever China spends on this, the benefits will probably far outweigh the costs.”

 
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The West and their acolytes are loosing its marbles in this anti-China hatred. So let me list China's evilness:

1) Curtails internal subversion by external forces through re-education centers (perhaps not the smartest thing but certainly not genocide)
2) Becomes the worlds manufacturer (initial taking in tons of worlds garbage), slowly transforming itself through the hard labor of its people while in the process uplifting north of 500 million people out of abject poverty - while allowing people in the west to enjoy unbridled capitalism and consumerism
3) Asserting its big power status in SCS where it does have some historical rights (can be questioned), but certainly does not say I OWN AN ENTIRE HEMISPHERE (aka Monroe Doctrine)
4) Bites its tongue for 100 years as a foreign imperial powers rule over its land (Macau and Hong Kong), with (HK) Queen's rule till just before departure where they begin to introduce "Democracy"
5) Invades its neighbors for the last 100 years - NOPE never invades its neighbors / while gets invaded by Japan, UK and France.
6) Bites its tongue while the world arms its renegade province, and does not act out of character or as a hot head. Puerto Rico is still asking for freedom - doesn't get that nor a single seat in the Senate, so the Brown people of PR don't change the demographics of US Senate. Same issue for DC. Lets talk about Hawaii (and the genocide of its indigenous people and their culture and royal lines). Don't need to go too far back when Australian hunting parties were legal, hunting aboriginal natives in Australia.

Bottomline is, according to the West, China has no right to get strong and independent without being part of the SYSTEM and being subservient. If China goes people will rue the day, as we'll all become subservient to a corrupting world order. Irony is both China and US need each other to stay moral and true. A strong China and a strong USA is good for the world. We need this balance.
 
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China's salvage operation to help recover Indonesian submarine ‘a worry for the West’


6:59PM MAY 6, 2021


The Chinese navy has begun an unprecedented salvage operation to help recover for free the Indonesian submarine Nanggala — a soft power win for Beijing that also offers an opportunity to map one of the region’s most important straits linking the Indian Ocean and South China Sea, analysts say.

Indonesia has accepted the PLA Navy’s offer to send three vessels, including its most advanced hydrographic survey ship the Tansuo 2, to help lift the 44-year-old submarine, which sank in waters north of Bali during torpedo drills near the Lombok Strait with 53 crew members on board last month.

An Indonesian navy spokesman said the defence ministry had received offers from Australia, the US, Japan, Russia and China to help recover the 1395 tonne naval vessel — in three pieces on the seabed at a depth of 838m — but had accepted Beijing’s offer “because their ships were already close to Indonesia … and it’s completely free”.


The spokesman confirmed that all three Chinese vessels, and 48 specialist People’s Liberation Army deep-sea divers, had begun the salvage operation after the Tansuo arrived in port late on Wednesday, but the Indonesian cable-laying vessel, Timas 1201 — which will help lift the wreck — was still on route.

Two Indonesian navy vessels were also at the site, according to the spokesman, who added: “We need to monitor them so they don’t carelessly take data”.

The Nanggala is Indonesia’s first submarine accident, and the government is under pressure to retrieve the bodies of its lost submariners and determine the cause of the tragedy. Still, its decision to accept China’s offer has raised eyebrows given regional concerns over Beijing’s maritime aggression, and the potential for the PLA navy to lay surveillance sensors in one of the region’s most important shipping straits.

Beijing has made no secret of the potential benefits of the salvage mission, with one submarine expert telling the state-run Global Times that the operation would help further China’s national security objectives. The mission would allow China to “study the maritime military geography of the area where the submarine was wrecked, as well as expanding the international co-operation and influence of our navy in submarine rescue and salvage”, the expert added.

The Lombok Strait is favoured by nuclear-powered submarines because it is deeper and less busy than the Malacca Strait, and because vessels are not required to surface and show their flag while transiting through it. The strait is also heavily used by Australian commercial shipping traffic.

An Australian defence ministry spokesman said HMAS Ballarat — the first foreign vessel to join the search last month — had left the area and Australia had “not been asked to contribute further capabilities to the salvage”.

The Australian understands the US did offer assistance but did not offer to pay for the salvage, which naval experts have estimated could cost up to $200m given the weight of the vessel and the depth to which it has sunk.

Regional security analyst Malcolm Cook told The Australian it was the first time China — and not traditional maritime assistance nations such as the US, Australia and Japan — “would be the provider of external help for a southeast Asian country in a situation like this”.

“If you were to script a movie about how to enhance Chinese soft power diplomacy in Indonesia, I’m not sure you could get a better plot,” Dr Cook said. “The Lombok Strait is the most important strait for submarine traffic, which is the most sensitive of military traffic and hard to track.

“If they can map the area they will have a much better idea of the sea floor and currents in the Lombok Strait which would be of benefit to Chinese submarines. If they are also able to leave sensors in the strait they would be able to track who goes through, which would be very detrimental to those who use it.”

Singapore-based maritime security analyst Collin Koh said the PLA Navy was clearly eager to project a softer image in a region where it has seized and militarised a number of disputed South China Sea islands and regularly breached sovereign maritime boundaries, though likely also had “ulterior motives”.

Dr Koh said the PLA’s deployment of its most sophisticated oceanographic survey vessel rang alarm bells given its ability to perform “all sorts of functions including the placement of sensors and other things that can be left unattended for long periods of time and can transmit data”.

“I would think that would be a huge concern for everybody. Whatever China spends on this, the benefits will probably far outweigh the costs.”


Australia’s mental illness is very serious.
 
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China's salvage operation to help recover Indonesian submarine ‘a worry
Do Australians not read these articles an think "what kind of sociopath is writing this shit"?
Are they afraid from repercusions and public shaming if they dare to critizise their state propaganda mouthpieces?

And the "Asian guy" opinion they cite is just a U.S. lobbyist writing for notoriously anti-China papers and is connected to the U.S. department of offense and literally just echoing their own propaganda.

Coordinator of the U.S. Programme, RSIS
The United States Programme
at RSIS pursues research, teaching, and networking activities on topics focused on, or related to, the United States. Specifically, the programme helps advance understanding of U.S. behaviour and engagement in the region by

The Diplomat
Tag Koh Swee Lean Collin
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Richard Bitzinger, Michael Raska, Koh Swee Lean Collin and Kelvin Wong Ka Weng, “Locating China’sPlace in the Global Defense Economy”, in Tai Ming Cheung (ed.),
New Perspectives on Assessing theChinese Defense Economy: 2011 Industry Overview and Policy Briefs, University of California Institute onGlobal Conflict and Cooperation, September 2011.

[NB: This originates from a joint project dealing with ‘Locating China’s Place in the Glo
bal DefenceEconomy ’ led by Dick Bitzinger, a sub-component which is part of the second annual conference examining China’s defence and dual-use science, technology and industrial base from 30 June to 1 July 2011,organised by the University of California Institute on Global Conflict and Cooperation (IGCC) (part of the IGCC’s Minerva Project on Chinese security and technology funded by the United States Department of Defense).
 
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The article is written with an obvious agenda and motive.

The whole operation is requested by Indonesia.
China is one of the navies with such capability.
 
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【中国舰艇打捞出印尼失事潜艇物品】由中国海军远洋救生船863船、远海救助拖船南拖195船以及中科院深海所“探索二号”科考船组成的中国舰艇编队,已于5月初相继抵达印尼相关海域,协助救援印尼失事潜艇。截至5月18日,中国舰艇编队已完成第一阶段的勘测任务,取得阶段性成果。

据“探索二号”船TS2-7航次首席科学家陈传绪介绍,通过这些潜次的勘查作业,比较全面地掌握了“南伽拉”号潜艇水下的情况,通过潜载测深侧扫设备获得了失事潜艇主要残骸部件精确的形态及位置信息;对失事潜艇散落的艇艏、舰桥、艇艉进行了细致地水下拍摄,基本摸清了三个主要部位的水中状态、地形外貌及由此形成的海底冲击坑,同时新发现一处前期未被探明的散落的疑似潜艇艏翼和多处中小尺寸的潜艇部件。

同时,“深海勇士”号也从海底回收了一些失事潜艇的零散物品。特别是在第六次下潜作业中,“深海勇士”号跟“探索二号”船协同作业,成功回收了重达700公斤的救生筏。​

China Ocean Shipping Magazine
16 minutes ago from HUAWEI Mate 20

[Chinese ship salvaged Indonesian wrecked submarine]

The Chinese naval fleet consisting of the Chinese navy’s ocean-going rescue vessel 863, the ocean-going rescue tugboat Nantuo 195, and the Chinese Academy of Sciences Deep Sea Institute "Tansuo 2" scientific research vessel have arrived in relevant waters in Indonesia in early May to assist in the rescue of Indonesian submarines. As of May 18, the Chinese naval fleet has completed the first phase of the survey mission and achieved initial results.

According to Chen Chuanxu, chief scientist of the TS2-7 voyage of "Tansuo 2", through the survey operations of these dives, we have a more comprehensive grasp of the underwater situation of the "Nanggala" submarine, which is obtained through the submarine sounding side scan equipment. The precise shape and position information of the main wreckage components of the wrecked submarine were captured; the bow, bridge, and stern of the wrecked submarine were taken under detailed underwater photography, and the water state, topography and appearance of the three main parts were basically understood. At the same time, a submarine bow wing and a number of small and medium-sized submarine parts were newly discovered scattered in the submarine impact crater that had not been detected earlier.

At the same time, the "Deep Sea Warrior" also recovered some scattered items from the wrecked submarine from the seabed. Especially in the sixth dive operation, the "Deep Sea Warrior" and the "Tansuo 2" ship worked together and successfully recovered a life raft weighing 700 kilograms.

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“I would think that would be a huge concern for everybody. Whatever China spends on this, the benefits will probably far outweigh the costs.”

Article have sense of biasness written all over it. If any nation really want and determined enough they can always send the divers or remote submarines to lay down the sensors where ever they wish. If its not done by the Western countries then every thing else done by any other nation is wickedness, theft and some element of unknown factor attach to it. What data China can steal from a 40 years old submarine broken into pieces, am sure submarine is still powered on and if it cannot float itself will start boogying as soon as Chinese salvage team touches the pieces of submarine.
 
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China's salvage operation to help recover Indonesian submarine ‘a worry for the West’


6:59PM MAY 6, 2021


The Chinese navy has begun an unprecedented salvage operation to help recover for free the Indonesian submarine Nanggala — a soft power win for Beijing that also offers an opportunity to map one of the region’s most important straits linking the Indian Ocean and South China Sea, analysts say.

Indonesia has accepted the PLA Navy’s offer to send three vessels, including its most advanced hydrographic survey ship the Tansuo 2, to help lift the 44-year-old submarine, which sank in waters north of Bali during torpedo drills near the Lombok Strait with 53 crew members on board last month.

An Indonesian navy spokesman said the defence ministry had received offers from Australia, the US, Japan, Russia and China to help recover the 1395 tonne naval vessel — in three pieces on the seabed at a depth of 838m — but had accepted Beijing’s offer “because their ships were already close to Indonesia … and it’s completely free”.


The spokesman confirmed that all three Chinese vessels, and 48 specialist People’s Liberation Army deep-sea divers, had begun the salvage operation after the Tansuo arrived in port late on Wednesday, but the Indonesian cable-laying vessel, Timas 1201 — which will help lift the wreck — was still on route.

Two Indonesian navy vessels were also at the site, according to the spokesman, who added: “We need to monitor them so they don’t carelessly take data”.

The Nanggala is Indonesia’s first submarine accident, and the government is under pressure to retrieve the bodies of its lost submariners and determine the cause of the tragedy. Still, its decision to accept China’s offer has raised eyebrows given regional concerns over Beijing’s maritime aggression, and the potential for the PLA navy to lay surveillance sensors in one of the region’s most important shipping straits.

Beijing has made no secret of the potential benefits of the salvage mission, with one submarine expert telling the state-run Global Times that the operation would help further China’s national security objectives. The mission would allow China to “study the maritime military geography of the area where the submarine was wrecked, as well as expanding the international co-operation and influence of our navy in submarine rescue and salvage”, the expert added.

The Lombok Strait is favoured by nuclear-powered submarines because it is deeper and less busy than the Malacca Strait, and because vessels are not required to surface and show their flag while transiting through it. The strait is also heavily used by Australian commercial shipping traffic.

An Australian defence ministry spokesman said HMAS Ballarat — the first foreign vessel to join the search last month — had left the area and Australia had “not been asked to contribute further capabilities to the salvage”.

The Australian understands the US did offer assistance but did not offer to pay for the salvage, which naval experts have estimated could cost up to $200m given the weight of the vessel and the depth to which it has sunk.

Regional security analyst Malcolm Cook told The Australian it was the first time China — and not traditional maritime assistance nations such as the US, Australia and Japan — “would be the provider of external help for a southeast Asian country in a situation like this”.

“If you were to script a movie about how to enhance Chinese soft power diplomacy in Indonesia, I’m not sure you could get a better plot,” Dr Cook said. “The Lombok Strait is the most important strait for submarine traffic, which is the most sensitive of military traffic and hard to track.

“If they can map the area they will have a much better idea of the sea floor and currents in the Lombok Strait which would be of benefit to Chinese submarines. If they are also able to leave sensors in the strait they would be able to track who goes through, which would be very detrimental to those who use it.”

Singapore-based maritime security analyst Collin Koh said the PLA Navy was clearly eager to project a softer image in a region where it has seized and militarised a number of disputed South China Sea islands and regularly breached sovereign maritime boundaries, though likely also had “ulterior motives”.

Dr Koh said the PLA’s deployment of its most sophisticated oceanographic survey vessel rang alarm bells given its ability to perform “all sorts of functions including the placement of sensors and other things that can be left unattended for long periods of time and can transmit data”.

“I would think that would be a huge concern for everybody. Whatever China spends on this, the benefits will probably far outweigh the costs.”


If the West can help, I think China is not the first choice.
 
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Article have sense of biasness written all over it. If any nation really want and determined enough they can always send the divers or remote submarines to lay down the sensors where ever they wish. If its not done by the Western countries then every thing else done by any other nation is wickedness, theft and some element of unknown factor attach to it. What data China can steal from a 40 years old submarine broken into pieces, am sure submarine is still powered on and if it cannot float itself will start boogying as soon as Chinese salvage team touches the pieces of submarine.

True. And I’m certain US and maybe even Soviets or Chinese already have sensors in that strait and other choke points around Indonesia. Of course none would admit.
This article is just a propaganda piece.
 
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"China cures leukemia and saves millions of children", a worrying sign for the global community.


but had accepted Beijing’s offer “because their ships were already close to Indonesia …
and it’s completely free”.

So does this mean that the other countries were charging a fee?
 
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