China's president to visit Vietnam amid South China Sea tension

[GS Zhou]

There was no needed. With Soviet weapon we can slapped on your face. Politically it is enough.

you mean slap on our face with the ruins at Lạng Sơn?

 

[mike2000 is back]

Coming to topic, the Sino-Vietnamese LOVE-HATE relationship reminds me so much of the Pakistan-india relationship.

Both countries share a long/close historical, political and cultural link to each other, yet they still despise each other at the same time. Hard to see how things can be settled between these countries, since its a very emotional issue.

 

[Rechoice]

You cant blame them to be honest, it was in their intetests to side with the U.S/west since the Soviet union being aggressive power(it even threatened to Nuke China) as always, it posed a far greater existential threat to China more than any other country. China didnt stand a chance alone against the U.S.S.R . So it had no choice than to join the U.S/West against a common enemy. That's what SANE countries do. They look after their interests first and foremost, even if it means allying with a country others might view negatively. Any country would have done the same tobbe honest. This is geo-politics afterall, there are no permanent friends only permanent interests.

So tomorrow China and Russia might again be rivals who knows, it all depends on how things play out in future and how each country interests changes/aligns.
Remember Vietnam was once viewed here in the West as an enemy allied with the commie aggressive Soviets, but today you are viewed more positively and as a western partner(some will even say an ally in the long term), since things have changed, so too has our interests. So its an ever changing game.

Policy line is dependent on mentality of such people who has a power on the country. Mao of China has rebeled to take a power. His mentality reflected character of Chinese people in her own history. Mao had said in the past is that "rebeling is right". He can changed his friend to enemy, very quickly. Soviet helped China won on civil war, but he has betrayed Soviets when he is stronger and changed China policy line to side with US in cold war.

The story is repeated again, China sided with Russia to challange US now.

you mean slap on our face with the ruins at Lạng Sơn?

In 20 day, with human wave tactic, China paid a bloody price.

 

[Viet]

great, hope it won't be another 2018 Hanoi Asian Games.

The games would be a waste of money.

Coming to topic, the Sino-Vietnamese LOVE-HATE relationship reminds me so much of the Pakistan-india relationship.

Both countries share a long/close historical, political and cultural link to each other, yet they still despise each other at the same time. Hard to see how things can be settled between these countries, since its a very emotional issue.

Like England and Germany

 

[Kyle Sun]

I am glad to see both cn gov and viet gov are pragmatic and mature gov.


And guys, stop trolling each other .

let's focus on the chance that created by both govs which can benefit both cnese and vtnese.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Policy line is dependent on mentality of such people who has a power on the country. Mao of China has rebeled to take a power. His mentality reflected character of Chinese people in her own history. Mao had said in the past is that "rebeling is right". He can changed his friend to enemy, very quickly. Soviet helped China won on civil war, but he has betrayed Soviets when he is stronger and changed China policy line to side with US in cold war.

The story is repeated again, China sided with Russia to challange US now.

In 20 day, with human wave tactic, China paid a bloody price.

Well, you may be right. But then again, so what?
There is no morality in geo-politics and backstabbing is all too common in this game(you as a vietnamese should know better.lol) So i dont see what China did wrong to be honest, Its true the soviets did help PRC alot through transfer of industrial blue prints, technology, training, weapon sales etc reason most of China's weapons even today are still based on soviet/Russian designs. So i do agree the Soviets help them quite alot, but then again the soviets did that for their own interest as well not like they had any love whatsoever for China. Since they needed a big asian country by their side so they could influence and project power more effectively in Asia and counter their main rival the U.S.

So its all about each country's selfish interests , there are no real friends there has NEVER BEEN ONE in geo politics. So the Chinese were right in turning their backs on the Soviets and choosing to ally with the U.S(instead of remaining with a failed communist soviet model) since it served them well in the long term and helped open their country up from where they kick started their economic growth/miracle , the rest is history.

 

[Viva_Viet]

I am glad to see both cn gov and viet gov are pragmatic and mature gov.


And guys, stop trolling each other .

let's focus on the chance that created by both govs which can benefit both cnese and vtnese.

Our Govt. is always pragmatic and hope your Govt. can stop its delusion about taking control of SCS( east VN sea).

Your company want VN to help you sell more products in ASEAN when TPP come out ? Okay, we accept to take the free support from you and will help some of your companies to survive in TPP.

You want VN to spare you a way to survive in TPP ? Okay, give us a full support like chairman Mao did before 1975.

 

[cnleio]

The loans from China to Vietnam must be forbid to purchase foreign weapons, i heard last time after 2008 Asia Economy Crisis Vietnam government loan $ 1.5billion soft-loan from China BeiJing and turn around go Russia to buy 'Kilo' subs ... really WTF ?!

So the loans from China and funds supervision in Vietnam should by Chinese from BeiJing. Anyways Chinese money isn't FREE & any loan to Vietnam should think twice.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Well, you may be right. But then agaon, so what?
There is no morality in geo-politics and backstabbing is all too common in this game. So i dont see what China did wrong to be honest, Its true the soviets did help PRC alot through transfer of industrial blue prints, technology, training, weapon sales etc reason most of China's weapons even today are still based on soviet/Russian designs. So i do agree the Soviets help them quite alot, but then again the soviets did that foe theor own interess as well. Since they needed a big asian country by their side so they could influence and project power more effectively in Asia and counter their main rival the U.S. So its all about each country's selfish interests , there are no real friends there has NEVER BEEN ONE in geo politics. So the Chinese were right in turning their backs on the Soviets and choosing to ally with the U.S(instead of remaining with a failed communist soviet model) since it served them well and helped open their country up from where they kick started their economic growth/miracle , the rest is history.

Yeah, Mr.Deng may did Nothing wrong in 1979 base on his short vision, but the next generation ( Cnese now) is suffering for what he did.

CN lost TW,Senkaku thanks for Deng's surrender in 1978,1979 and never can take back cos no more communist bloc to support CN against US any more. And poor Cnese still living in hard life now, you can see young Cnese crawling around the lake just for keeping low paid jobs that soon will be taken away in TPP.

 

[Kyle Sun]

Our Govt. is always pragmatic and hope your Govt. can stop its delusion about taking control of SCS( east VN sea).

Your company want VN to help you sell more products in ASEAN when TPP come out ? Okay, we accept to take the free support from you and will help some of your companies to survive in TPP.

You want VN to spare you a way to survive in TPP ? Okay, give us a full support like chairman Mao did before 1975.

if you really believe "free lunch" does exist, okay,we will give it to you.

 

[Viva_Viet]

if you really believe "free lunch" does exist, okay,we will give it to you.

Just like during Mao's period, you only have 02 choices: full suoport to VN to break US containment...or collapse.

 

[CHN Bamboo]

....-_,-
朕知道了.
But,What's the use of Vietnam?
Where the car sell each year is one hundred thousand,what can they do?

 

[GS Zhou]

Just like during Mao's period, you only have 02 choices: full suoport to VN to break US containment...or collapse.

Enjoy the "free lunch" then. You've paid 1/4 of your GDP for it. So it deserves a careful taste. Enjoy!

And poor Cnese still living in hard life now

If the life of the Chinese people today could be called as harf life, then what the vn people experience is NO LIFE.

 

[Rechoice]

Well, you may be right. But then again, so what?
There is no morality in geo-politics and backstabbing is all too common in this game(you as a vietnamese should know better.lol) So i dont see what China did wrong to be honest, Its true the soviets did help PRC alot through transfer of industrial blue prints, technology, training, weapon sales etc reason most of China's weapons even today are still based on soviet/Russian designs. So i do agree the Soviets help them quite alot, but then again the soviets did that for their own interest as well not like they had any love whatsoever for China. Since they needed a big asian country by their side so they could influence and project power more effectively in Asia and counter their main rival the U.S.

So its all about each country's selfish interests , there are no real friends there has NEVER BEEN ONE in geo politics. So the Chinese were right in turning their backs on the Soviets and choosing to ally with the U.S(instead of remaining with a failed communist soviet model) since it served them well in the long term and helped open their country up from where they kick started their economic growth/miracle , the rest is history.

when you stuy more about Soviet - China spliting, at beginning Chinese critised Soviet CCCP about "revisionism" when Khrusev has given up Stalin model in USSR.

In general, I can agree with you. based on lessions of past, I do think that we (VN) can not trust on what Mr. Xi has spoken here in Hanoi. This is diplomacy visit, after China bullied Vietnam with oilrig 981, which is operated in EZZ of Vietnam ; and China did illegal reclaimation islands in sea territory of Vietnam. So why US navy is turned back to Asia. Only USA can stop expansionism of Chinese. This key item of politicgeogy here in Asia.

Today Vietnam has a policy: to be friend with all countries in this world. Cold war is dead.

We don't let Vietnam could be depended only from someone else, even thoufgt there is the country's leader speaks out with such big words about friendship and camradsfips but empty in reality.

Today 6 November, Vietnam has welcomed President of Ytalia and Defence minister of Japan.

 

[GS Zhou]

So US navy is turned back to Asia. Only USA can stop expansionism

Your beg on US for military protection makes me think of Ngô Đình Diệm or Chiang Kai-shek