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Chinese Navy New Submarine
Click to Enlarge. Naval News has analyzed the video of the new submarine. It has been geo-located to a point along the Yangtze River, downstream from significant shipyards in Wuhan.

China’s New Submarine Is Unlike Anything In Western Navies​

The U.S. Navy only operates nuclear-powered submarines. China meanwhile never stopped operating conventional submarines even though they are less capable. This has advantages and disadvantages. But a new submarine pushes this difference further. It is much smaller than those used by other leading navies.​


H I Sutton 15 Feb 2022
Since a video was leaked of a new Chinese submarine on February 8, analysts have been trying to make sense of it. While the Chinese Navy’s (PLAN) overall submarine expansion has been towards larger submarines, notably nuclear-powered ones, this new boat does not fit the expected trend. It may be sophisticated, but it is also small. It does not neatly fit into the array of types currently fielded by other major navies. China is, it appears, doing its own thing.

The submarine was visible in a short video clip uploaded on Chinese social media. The video was later deleted from some of the initial accounts, after it attracted attention, but not before we had gathered the key information. Naval News has been able to provisionally geolocate the video to a particular spot along the Yangtze River in China.

The location is downstream from the shipyards in Wuhan which are known for building submarines. And the submarine was travelling towards Shanghai where some Wuhan-built submarines are moved to for fitting out.

There are two shipyards in Wuhan, one near the center and a newer one outside known as Wuchang, which build submarines. Notably, they only build conventional submarines so there is no suggestion that this new submarine is nuclear powered. The main class that they currently build is the Type-039A Yuan family. The shipyard downtown appears to be used for first-in-class and special work, so this may have been built there.

Both yards are part of CSIC (China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation). This may be significant as CSIC has previously shown small submarine designs. Several were displayed at the 2017 Defense & Security exhibition in Bangkok, Thailand.

Of these, the new boat appears to be similar to both the MS-200 midget submarine and S600 coastal submarine. Our estimate is that it is closer to the latter, although likely shorter.

The 600t ‘S600’ was advertised as being 50 m (164 ft) long and 4.6m (15 ft) in diameter. Part of that length would be down to an Air Independent Power (AIP) system. If the new boat is shorter, it might be due to the elimination of the ambitious AIP system.

The design is also similar to a special submarine first seen in 2018. That submarine lacks a sail and, absent of any official name, is known as the ‘sailless’ submarine. The overall size is similar and the rudder bears a strong family likeness. Significantly that submarine was also built by CSIC, although not in Wuhan.

Increasingly Potent Small Submarines​

Traditionally small submarines have been less capable, which is largely why major navies do not field them. Although cheaper to build, they compromise on performance, range and speed. Basically they have less power.

But this balance may actually be changing. New lithium-based battery technologies may offer small submarines much longer endurances. And/or higher cruising speeds. This may significantly increase their combat utility, particularly inshore where their small size is an advantage. There is circumstantial evidence that China has been researching these batteries for submarines. And possibly even fielded it, although that is unconfirmed.

Increases in battery power may also allow more powerful sonars and combat systems to be carried.

What is this Submarine? The Theories​

One theory is that the submarine was built for export because the design is similar to the CSIC concepts shown abroad. Myanmar, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka might be candidates. But there have not been reports of this.

Two white stripes running along the top of the sail may indicate that it is for the Chinese Navy (PLAN) however. These are normally seen on submarines before they are commissioned.

If the PLAN is going to operate this new type, it represents a much larger deviation from other leading navies’ strategies. But as small submarines become more capable, they may have a valuable role for the PLAN. The South China Sea and island chains seem particularly well suited.

Smaller submarines will still be behind larger ones, which will also benefit from the new batteries. And smaller ones will have fewer weapons and less provisions. But the balance of usefulness of small submarines might be changing.
TAGS Chinese Navy Submarine


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Posted by : H I Sutton

H I Sutton writes about the secretive and under-reported submarines, seeking out unusual and interesting vessels and technologies involved in fighting beneath the waves. Submarines, capabilities, naval special forces underwater vehicles and the changing world of underwater warfare and seabed warfare. To do this he combines the latest Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) with the traditional art and science of defense analysis. He occasionally writes non-fiction books on these topics and draws analysis-based illustrations to bring the subject to life. In addition, H I Sutton is a naval history buff and data geek. His personal website about these topics is Covert Shores (www.hisutton.com)

 
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Chinese Navy New Submarine
Click to Enlarge. Naval News has analyzed the video of the new submarine. It has been geo-located to a point along the Yangtze River, downstream from significant shipyards in Wuhan.

China’s New Submarine Is Unlike Anything In Western Navies​

The U.S. Navy only operates nuclear-powered submarines. China meanwhile never stopped operating conventional submarines even though they are less capable. This has advantages and disadvantages. But a new submarine pushes this difference further. It is much smaller than those used by other leading navies.​


H I Sutton 15 Feb 2022
Since a video was leaked of a new Chinese submarine on February 8, analysts have been trying to make sense of it. While the Chinese Navy’s (PLAN) overall submarine expansion has been towards larger submarines, notably nuclear-powered ones, this new boat does not fit the expected trend. It may be sophisticated, but it is also small. It does not neatly fit into the array of types currently fielded by other major navies. China is, it appears, doing its own thing.

The submarine was visible in a short video clip uploaded on Chinese social media. The video was later deleted from some of the initial accounts, after it attracted attention, but not before we had gathered the key information. Naval News has been able to provisionally geolocate the video to a particular spot along the Yangtze River in China.

The location is downstream from the shipyards in Wuhan which are known for building submarines. And the submarine was travelling towards Shanghai where some Wuhan-built submarines are moved to for fitting out.

There are two shipyards in Wuhan, one near the center and a newer one outside known as Wuchang, which build submarines. Notably, they only build conventional submarines so there is no suggestion that this new submarine is nuclear powered. The main class that they currently build is the Type-039A Yuan family. The shipyard downtown appears to be used for first-in-class and special work, so this may have been built there.

Both yards are part of CSIC (China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation). This may be significant as CSIC has previously shown small submarine designs. Several were displayed at the 2017 Defense & Security exhibition in Bangkok, Thailand.

Of these, the new boat appears to be similar to both the MS-200 midget submarine and S600 coastal submarine. Our estimate is that it is closer to the latter, although likely shorter.

The 600t ‘S600’ was advertised as being 50 m (164 ft) long and 4.6m (15 ft) in diameter. Part of that length would be down to an Air Independent Power (AIP) system. If the new boat is shorter, it might be due to the elimination of the ambitious AIP system.

The design is also similar to a special submarine first seen in 2018. That submarine lacks a sail and, absent of any official name, is known as the ‘sailless’ submarine. The overall size is similar and the rudder bears a strong family likeness. Significantly that submarine was also built by CSIC, although not in Wuhan.

Increasingly Potent Small Submarines​

Traditionally small submarines have been less capable, which is largely why major navies do not field them. Although cheaper to build, they compromise on performance, range and speed. Basically they have less power.

But this balance may actually be changing. New lithium-based battery technologies may offer small submarines much longer endurances. And/or higher cruising speeds. This may significantly increase their combat utility, particularly inshore where their small size is an advantage. There is circumstantial evidence that China has been researching these batteries for submarines. And possibly even fielded it, although that is unconfirmed.

Increases in battery power may also allow more powerful sonars and combat systems to be carried.

What is this Submarine? The Theories​

One theory is that the submarine was built for export because the design is similar to the CSIC concepts shown abroad. Myanmar, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka might be candidates. But there have not been reports of this.

Two white stripes running along the top of the sail may indicate that it is for the Chinese Navy (PLAN) however. These are normally seen on submarines before they are commissioned.

If the PLAN is going to operate this new type, it represents a much larger deviation from other leading navies’ strategies. But as small submarines become more capable, they may have a valuable role for the PLAN. The South China Sea and island chains seem particularly well suited.

Smaller submarines will still be behind larger ones, which will also benefit from the new batteries. And smaller ones will have fewer weapons and less provisions. But the balance of usefulness of small submarines might be changing.
TAGS Chinese Navy Submarine


AUTHORS​

6234c731a0350c702aa9ab32463fe28d

Posted by : H I Sutton

H I Sutton writes about the secretive and under-reported submarines, seeking out unusual and interesting vessels and technologies involved in fighting beneath the waves. Submarines, capabilities, naval special forces underwater vehicles and the changing world of underwater warfare and seabed warfare. To do this he combines the latest Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) with the traditional art and science of defense analysis. He occasionally writes non-fiction books on these topics and draws analysis-based illustrations to bring the subject to life. In addition, H I Sutton is a naval history buff and data geek. His personal website about these topics is Covert Shores (www.hisutton.com)


I'd love for our Navy to get a couple of these to try out for littoral patrol duties. Most of Bangladesh littoral areas are very shallow (around 15~30m) which is ideal for these small subs. I have been talking about Bangladesh needing mini and micro subs for ages. Maybe @Zarvan bhai can point me to a source for these Pakistani mini subs sourced from (I think) Italy. I think those 1 or 2 person subs were way smaller than this one, for special ops.
 
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I'd love for our Navy to get a couple of these to try out for littoral patrol duties. Most of Bangladesh littoral areas are very shallow (around 15~30m) which is ideal for these small subs. I have been talking about Bangladesh needing mini and micro subs for ages. Maybe @Zarvan bhai can point me to a source for these subs sourced from (I think) Italy. I think those 1 or person subs were way smaller than this one, for special ops.
Seriously, I believe these sub produced by China are mainly targeting export market.
 
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I'd love for our Navy to get a couple of these to try out for littoral patrol duties. Most of Bangladesh littoral areas are very shallow (around 15~30m) which is ideal for these small subs. I have been talking about Bangladesh needing mini and micro subs for ages. Maybe @Zarvan bhai can point me to a source for these subs sourced from (I think) Italy. I think those 1 or person subs were way smaller than this one, for special ops.
Small subs(the non special ops ones) for littoral waters in numbers...equipped with torpedoes(heavy weight if possible...otherwise lightweight)...won't even need their own powerful sensors as much and instead can be equipped with passive ones(only listening). Couple that with long range coastal radars(to be the eyes and ears for these subs)...along with other naval assets(corvettes, frigates, etc)...
...all data linked with some central command...
this would make these subs very deadly. It would enable their small size(due to reliance on other sensors). With these and coastal batteries...it would be a very effective A2/AD strategy. A nightmare for any enemy that tries to intrude to BD's coastal waters.
 
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Seriously, I believe these sub produced by China are mainly targeting export market.

Yup - these 600 ton subs would be great additions to our fleet.

They look like mini type-212s (like the ones in Indonesian and Korean fleets) and probably just as potent, but shorter endurance, which is not an issue for our Bay of Bengal defensive situation. Addition of AIP in such a small sub is a game changer like the article writer mentioned.

Small subs(the non special ops ones) for littoral waters in numbers...equipped with torpedoes(heavy weight if possible...otherwise lightweight)...won't even need their own powerful sensors as much and instead can be equipped with passive ones(only listening). Couple that with long range coastal radars(to be the eyes and ears for these subs)...along with other naval assets(corvettes, frigates, etc)...
...all data linked with some central command...
this would make these subs very deadly. It would enable their small size(due to reliance on other sensors). With these and coastal batteries...it would be a very effective A2/AD strategy. A nightmare for any enemy that tries to intrude to BD's coastal waters.

Yes, having two 600 ton subs in place of a 1500 or 2000 ton U212 would be great. Numbers means defence is spread out further and/or patrol range/effectiveness doubled.
 
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The battery revolution (2020/30-) implies a revolution in diesel-electric submarine. A lead-acid battery usually has a density of about 30 watt hour / kilo, Chinese batteries (LiFePO4) have perhaps already reached a density of 150 (?) watt hour / kilo

An electric submarine moving at low speed while submerged is extremely quiet, and a superb defensive weapon
 
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Old article, with more detail,

China's CSIC Unveils Three New Submarine Designs for Export​

POSTED ON MONDAY, 13 NOVEMBER 2017 12:16

China's CSIC Unveils Three New Submarine Designs for Export
Chinese shipbuilding group China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC) unveiled three new submarine designs at the Defense & Security 2017 defense exhibition held last week in Bangkok. The three designs are dedicated to the export market as they were showcased by the export arm of CSIC: China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Company (CSOC).​
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The full range of submarines on CSIC stand at Defense & Security 2017 defense exhbition in Bangkok, with the three new designs and the S26T (ordered by Thailand) in the background.
CSIC recently sold 8 S20 submarines to Pakistan and 3 S26T SSKs to Thailand.

The three new designs: MS200, S600 and S1100 form a new family of submarines to address a range of operational needs and submarine sizes of potential customers. Except for the midget submarine (MS200), CSIC now offers a range of Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) SSKs. According to a corporate video of the Chinese group, several countries have already shown interest in their submarine designs, including Algeria, Cuba, Egypt, Libya, Burma, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Venezuela.

All three submarines feature single hull designs. The Chinese appear to have parted ways with their traditional double hull architecture, likely an heritage from soviet times. This shows the progress made in recent years by the country in terms of materials and related technologies. The sail of these three new Chinese submarines also seems to have benefited from the latest research in hydrodynamics and acoustics of the 701 Institute, CSIC group's main research bureau. These sails are in line with the trapezoidal shape already observed on the new ships of the last batch of Chinese Navy Type 039B attack diesel submarine. This further reduces underwater noise.​
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Scale model of the MS200 midget submarine on CSIC stand at Defense & Security 2017 defense exhbition in Bangkok.
MS200 Midget Submarine
According to CSIC, the MS200 "adopt the form of the teardrop and single-hull structure. The sail has a three-dimension streamline shape, the steering plane adopts bow hydroplane and cross stern rudder."

Displacing 200 tons, the design has a length of about 30 meters; a breadth of 3.6 meters and a height of 4.4 meters. In terms of performance, its maximum speed is about 8 knots, its submerged range is 120 nautical miles and mixed range about 1500 nautical miles. Its maximum diving depth is 200 meters. Its endurance is 15 days at sea. The service life of the submarine is 25 years.

The submarine can accommodate a crew of 6 sailors plus 8 special forces. Based on the model, MS200 has two torpedo tubes.​
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Scale model of the 600t class AIP submarine on CSIC stand at Defense & Security 2017 defense exhbition in Bangkok.
600 tons-class AIP Submarine
Displacing 600 tons, the design has a length of about 50 meters; a breadth of 4.6 meters and a height of 5.6 meters. In terms of performance, its maximum submerged speed is about 15 knots (9 knots surfaced), its range is 2000 nautical miles (400 nautical miles while submerged on AIP module). Its maximum diving depth is 200 meters. Its endurance is 20 days at sea. The submarine can accommodate a crew of 15 personnel.

Based on the model, the submarine has 4 torpedo tubes.​
CSIC submarine S1100 defense security thailand 2017 6
CSIC submarine S1100 defense security thailand 2017 7


Scale model of the S1100 class AIP submarine on CSIC stand at Defense & Security 2017 defense exhbition in Bangkok.
S1100 AIP Submarine
According to CSIC, the S1100 "adopt the form of the teardrop and single-hull structure."

Displacing 1,100 tons, the design has a length of about 60 meters; a breadth of 5.6 meters and a height of 6.8 meters. In terms of performance, its maximum submerged speed is about 15 knots, its range is 3000 nautical miles (800 nautical miles while submerged on AIP module). Its maximum diving depth is 200 meters. Its endurance is 30 days at sea. The submarine can accommodate a crew of 18 personnel. The service life of the submarine is 25 years. Based on the model, the S1100 submarine has 4 torpedo tubes.

CSIC
CSIC also proposes to help their clients with services, such as construction of the ground infrastructure to support the submarines (through life support facility or even submarine base). This might be the case in Thailand according to local sources.

For customers with a lower budget or with lower operational requirements, older submarines decommissioned from the Chinese Navy are available. The Bangladesh Navy, for example, received two overhauled Type 035G class submarines in November 2016 for a mere $200 million.​


 
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Nice 100% copy of german dolphin class submarines.
 
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I'd love for our Navy to get a couple of these to try out for littoral patrol duties. Most of Bangladesh littoral areas are very shallow (around 15~30m) which is ideal for these small subs. I have been talking about Bangladesh needing mini and micro subs for ages. Maybe @Zarvan bhai can point me to a source for these Pakistani mini subs sourced from (I think) Italy. I think those 1 or 2 person subs were way smaller than this one, for special ops.
Yes we have 3 midget subs from Italy but now they are nearing retirement. Rumors are float that Pakistan may go for STM 500.

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