China's new 'carrier killer' for Pakistan's JF-17 Thunder fighter

[Jf Thunder]

well brother thing is we know that your very unpredictable thats the main reason we indians are over cautious and have rehersed it over and over and over again + why do you think that you got the right to fire the first bullet and we will have no defnce shield if ever you gather guts to fire a bullet at us.....

well bro we are indians remeber and we have survived the islamick onslought for more than 800 years and now know most of your manouvering and diversionarry tackitcs and same applies to indian navy

as for loosing a CBG in "first few hours of conflict" well brother dont worry about that aswell cause bothof owr current CBGs are not so toothless as you think

to rach them you need first to escape the mulitple radar shields of the indian ships , then comes the K31 awac hellies and there extended radar shields, the two subs lurking beneath the surface who escort every CBG + not to forget at least 5 attack MIG29Ks or sea harriers (which are ready round the 24X7X365 days)which are considered to be best sea level fighter planes after super bugs and marien rafales backed again by land based radras(to monitor, track and annalyse all your moves) jags and MKIs which are kept seppratelly for this very same purpose (pakistani air force coming owt to get a shot at owr CBGs)

so buddy if all that was not enof ever thought about the armada of smart UAVs & many small & big indian naval vessels which will first test the waters before the CBG comes in the arena

so in short you cant divert a huge chunk or your airforce to attack owr CBG to get symbolick moral booster as there are other formidable indian assets already to keep you on your tose cause you niether have the numbers nor the technology for the same

still good luck

i suggest you keep the good luck, you will be needing, we are not so weak as you think, we have some more tricks up our sleeves too, you are not the only ones with awesome things, as for UAVs we also have UAVs, and please don't use technical terms because i am as stupid as a rabbit when it comes to understand technical terms.

 

[graphican]

to rach them you need first to escape the mulitple radar shields of the indian ships, then comes the K31 awac hellies and there extended radar shields, the two subs lurking beneath the surface who escort every CBG + not to forget at least 5 attack MIG29Ks or sea harriers (which are ready round the 24X7X365 days)which are considered to be best sea level fighter planes after super bugs and marien rafales backed again by land based radras(to monitor, track and annalyse all your moves) jags and MKIs which are kept seppratelly for this very same purpose (pakistani air force coming owt to get a shot at owr CBGs)

Okay that is the relevant part of your post which I will comment on.

What is the maximum detection range of Indian AWACS, I consider it 400KM-500KM, and that is for an aircraft flying within the area. If 10 Babur are launched towards Indian Carrier from a distance of 600KM (which have 1500KM range) none of your radars or patrolling jets will be able to "stop" this from happening and this is logically doable. Now let it be submarines or second best harriers, they have nothing to do in this equation as what they could prevent has been done.

For Pakistan to knock your AC down, we need one shot of low-yeild warhead. For India to survive an incoming attack, it would need to neutralize every incoming attack. What if mix of 30 babur and carrier killers are launched together? How many of them do you think you can bring down with air-defense missiles? To be able to survive, you need to be 100% successful in neutralizing every incoming missile but for us, all we need is a 3.3% success. big deal?

As I mentioned, bringing Indian "giant" down will be a medal Pakistan would like to get very early in the war. Mind that our navy is very small as compared to Indian marine power and neutralizing as many Indian marine asserts as possible using air and missile would be one of the priority.

 

[Janmejay]

Okay that is the relevant part of your post which I will comment on.

What is the maximum detection range of Indian AWACS, I consider it 400KM-500KM, and that is for an aircraft flying within the area. If 10 Babur are launched towards Indian Carrier from a distance of 600KM (which have 1500KM range) none of your radars or patrolling jets will be able to "stop" this from happening and this is logically doable. Now let it be submarines or second best harriers, they have nothing to do in this equation as what they could prevent has been done.

For Pakistan to knock your AC down, we need one shot of low-yeild warhead. For India to survive an incoming attack, it would need to neutralize every incoming attack. What if mix of 30 babur and carrier killers are launched together? How many of them do you think you can bring down with air-defense missiles? To be able to survive, you need to be 100% successful in neutralizing every incoming missile but for us, all we need is a 3.3% success. big deal?

As I mentioned, bringing Indian "giant" down will be a medal Pakistan would like to get very early in the war. Mind that our navy is very small as compared to Indian marine power and neutralizing as many Indian marine asserts as possible using air and missile would be one of the priority.

1-babur cant hit movin targets
2-the aircraft carrier will have barak-8 misslile defence system
3-this aircraft carrier is not for pakistan
4-What do you mean by loe yield warhead,are you saying that you will use nuclear weapons?

i suggest you keep the good luck, you will be needing, we are not so weak as you think, we have some more tricks up our sleeves too, you are not the only ones with awesome things, as for UAVs we also have UAVs, and please don't use technical terms because i am as stupid as a rabbit when it comes to understand technical terms.

If you dont understand technichal terms then why are you replying to him?

 

[GURU DUTT]

Okay that is the relevant part of your post which I will comment on.

What is the maximum detection range of Indian AWACS, I consider it 400KM-500KM, and that is for an aircraft flying within the area. If 10 Babur are launched towards Indian Carrier from a distance of 600KM (which have 1500KM range) none of your radars or patrolling jets will be able to "stop" this from happening and this is logically doable. Now let it be submarines or second best harriers, they have nothing to do in this equation as what they could prevent has been done.

For Pakistan to knock your AC down, we need one shot of low-yeild warhead. For India to survive an incoming attack, it would need to neutralize every incoming attack. What if mix of 30 babur and carrier killers are launched together? How many of them do you think you can bring down with air-defense missiles? To be able to survive, you need to be 100% successful in neutralizing every incoming missile but for us, all we need is a 3.3% success. big deal?

As I mentioned, bringing Indian "giant" down will be a medal Pakistan would like to get very early in the war. Mind that our navy is very small as compared to Indian marine power and neutralizing as many Indian marine asserts as possible using air and missile would be one of the priority.

well buddy babur is not an ASM and cant hit a target moving at speeds above even 10 KMPH

now when you will be gearing up to launch your baburs or have launched them they will be instantli picked up by multi layered PESA/ASEA based 3D & 4D radars based near pakistani border with india
and will track/calculate and alert all indian offensive & defensive assets in that area and all the launchers will be taken owt within minutes by batteries of indian land based bharmos as it flies more than twice the speed of sound

now comes the second part the already alerted indian Naval Armada will take on a barage of your babaurs and other so called "carrier killers" as almost all the ships in CBG have there multi layered radar shields and anty aircraft and anti missle shields cause til you missiles reach anywhere near them they would have changed the postion and come into attck mode and dont forget those CBGs will have there own air arm that will attack and help in taking owt your baburs thru its air to air missiles

so the odds are pretty high for you and your airforce , navy and missle divisions will also come under attack as soon as they expose there loactions

still good luck brother

 

[Jf Thunder]

well buddy babur is not an ASM and cant hit a target moving at speeds above even 10 KMPH

now when you will be gearing up to launch your baburs or have launched them they will be instantli picked up by multi layered PESA/ASEA based 3D & 4D radars based near pakistani border with india
and will track/calculate and alert all indian offensive & defensive assets in that area and all the launchers will be taken owt within minutes by batteries of indian land based bharmos as it flies more than twice the speed of sound

now comes the second part the already alerted indian Naval Armada will take on a barage of your babaurs and other so called "carrier killers" as almost all the ships in CBG have there multi layered radar shields and anty aircraft and anti missle shields cause til you missiles reach anywhere near them they would have changed the postion and come into attck mode and dont forget those CBGs will have there own air arm that will attack and help in taking owt your baburs thru its air to air missiles

so the odds are pretty high for you and your airforce , navy and missle divisions will also come under attack as soon as they expose there loactions

still good luck brother

still keep the good luck, you will be needing it anyway, how about we fire it from a sub? and while you are defending your ACC, we will just attack you from the ground?

 

[GURU DUTT]

still keep the good luck, you will be needing it anyway, how about we fire it from a sub? and while you are defending your ACC, we will just attack you from the ground?

well about the sub ..why do you think we are investing in P8i's + as told earlier each CBG wil be escorted by two to three subs

 

[Jf Thunder]

well about the sub ..why do you think we are investing in P8i's + as told earlier each CBG wil be escorted by two to three subs

ummmm sure whatever, what if we fire 8 Babur missiles from our subs, 10 from land, 5 Raad missiles from our Jf Thunder and 7 Shaheen missiles from ground from different locations?

 

[GURU DUTT]

ummmm sure whatever, what if we fire 8 Babur missiles from our subs, 10 from land, 5 Raad missiles from our Jf Thunder and 7 Shaheen missiles from ground from different locations?

well then look at it this way each each indian CBG consists of 3 frigates , 2 cruisers , 2 destroyers one feul tanker + 1 supplies ship + 2 subs & an ACC

apart from subs & ACC for the obvious reson all other ships have muti layered and multi band ASEA/PESA radars with at least 12 LR sams & equal number of MR sams + twice the number of QRSR sams + multiple CIWS on differnet points + 8-12 sea launched bhramos + at least one ASW heli

no add & multiply them and then look for chnces ...i guess you will need real good luck to reach ACC

 

[Janmejay]

ummmm sure whatever, what if we fire 8 Babur missiles from our subs, 10 from land, 5 Raad missiles from our Jf Thunder and 7 Shaheen missiles from ground from different locations?

lol,are you even aware what are youa are writing...
the babur which you will launch from land cant hit moving targets..
Your jf17 cant reach near AC,how will you hit it with raad....
the shaheen missiles cant hit movin targets....
you lack the capability of firing missiles from subs....

 

[illusion8]

ummmm sure whatever, what if we fire 8 Babur missiles from our subs, 10 from land, 5 Raad missiles from our Jf Thunder and 7 Shaheen missiles from ground from different locations?

babur from subs? which subs? and how?

 

[GURU DUTT]

babur from subs? which subs? and how?

did i mention the indian subs can fire sub launched club , bhramos & maybe exoset which we will get with scorpenes + the classified stuff we got thanks to israel

 

[Janmejay]

well then look at it this way each each indian CBG consists of 3 frigates , 2 cruisers , 2 destroyers one feul tanker + 1 supplies ship + 2 subs & an ACC

apart from subs & ACC for the obvious reson all other ships have muti layered and multi band ASEA/PESA radars with at least 12 LR sams & equal number of MR sams + twice the number of QRSR sams + multiple CIWS on differnet points + 8-12 sea launched bhramos + at least one ASW heli

no add & multiply them and then look for chnces ...i guess you will need real good luck to reach ACC

first ask him how babur and shaheens will hit moving targets...
how jf17 will hit raad when it cant go near to it...
pakistan does not have the capability of launching babur from submarines..

 

[GURU DUTT]

first ask him how babur and shaheens will hit moving targets...
how jf17 will hit raad when it cant go near to it...
pakistan does not have the capability of launching babur from submarines..

common man dont be so unfair to him actually they know there is nothing they could do to stop tha naval blockade if it ever happens

but the truth is indian ACC or CBG is not for pakistan its for asserting the streanth in arabian ea and bay of bengal and indian ocean so the big dragon dosent gets too adventurous

but pakistanies as they are will never sieze to iimagine india as an agressive naighbour while it was they who always started the fire than the other way round

 

[Janmejay]

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common man dont be so unfair to him actually they know there is nothing they could do to stop tha naval blockade if it ever happens

but the truth is indian ACC or CBG is not for pakistan its for asserting the streanth in arabian ea and bay of bengal and indian ocean so the big dragon dosent gets too adventurous

but pakistanies as they are will never sieze to iimagine india as an agressive naighbour while it was they who always started the fire than the other way round

see the post 161...

 

[GURU DUTT]

what are ICMs and MIRVs? and what r seekers?

its ICBM not ICM

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