China's new 'carrier killer' for Pakistan's JF-17 Thunder fighter

[Oldman1]

whats gulf war 1? lol sorry i dont know about that
you cant even handle a couple of gorilla warriors?

Go study it. Guess you were too young at the time. Anyways hopefully you can prevent more Pakistani deaths from the gorilla warriors. Like bombings in mosques or at markets. How many Pakistanis have been killed lately?

 

[graphican]

Just responding to a poster, Pakistani I believe that suggested using a nuclear weapon to sink a carrier because it will take hundreds of aircraft and cruise missiles to reach it in the first place. Don't know if hes referring to a U.S. carrier or Indian. But in any case if God forbid there is a war with Pakistan and U.S., I can tell you for a fact it won't be good especially for Pakistan. With long range cruise missles about 1500 km range, as well as stealth cruise missiles and long range bombers. Don't forget the SSGNs and attack boats that can sneak in and launch massive amount of firepower before sending in the carrier groups with its own aircraft and cruise missiles. Don't forget smart decoys, jamming, etc.

Oh and I forgot to mention about the threat of submarines, the U.S. Navy is developing something to counter it. Its really impressive.

@Oldman1,

Sir, our hatred for USA might be monumental but our stupidity is not. You might find several Indians are jumping around in the forum. We are not talking about sinking USA's Naval fleet but it is about Pakistan India War scenarios. But on side note, when USA knows its career can be sunk, it acts more mindfully than not.

USA would never dare to fondle with a Nuclear country. I didn't with Iran, it didn't with North Korea. Would it do with Pakistan? Ahh.. don't think it is a likelihood. Here in this particular thread we are enjoying our India-Pakistan hatred... so please be around and have fun.

 

[Oldman1]

@Oldman1,

Sir, our hatred for USA might be monumental but our stupidity is not. You might find several Indians are jumping around in the forum. We are not talking about sinking USA's Naval fleet but it is about Pakistan India War scenarios. But on side note, when USA knows its career can be sunk, it acts more mindfully than not.

USA would never dare to fondle with a Nuclear country. I didn't with Iran, it didn't with North Korea. Would it do with Pakistan? Ahh.. don't think it is a likelihood. Here in this particular thread we are enjoying our India-Pakistan hatred... so please be around and have fun.

Sure I'll be around to see the back and forth spewing hate with each other. We are smart enough not to mess with nuclear armed countries. They know it too since they use proxies. And we are still technically at war with North Korea but it hasn't done much except assassinations and sinking a boat, but not doing anything rash like invading South Korea again because of the consequences that could lead to it.

 

[GURU DUTT]

No you misunderstand my point. I am not saying PAF has to worry about ground bases, what I am saying is that India doesn't gain anything by having an aircraft career as it has several times more ground bases than aircraft careers and for Pakistan, magnitude of thread doesn't inclined dramatically because India has an aircraft career with 20 odd aircraft on it. If PAF is ready to handle Indian attack from ground-bases, it is equally well prepared to neutralize jets coming from a sea-based career. So the talk is about equation of threat and aircraft career adding or not adding any significant weight to the equation. Got me yet?



Why you think they are deterrent only? If you think Indian AC can create blockage of Karachi and Gawadar then Pakistan also thinks that India may do that. Why do you think Pakistan will not use its supersonic and sea-based cruise missiles?



True, AC will have fleet of air and sea-scanning radars but subs do not need to reach underneath a career to be potent. We have 300KM range for career killer and 1500KM range for Naval Babur. We have good stand-off weapons to neutralize a distantly placed Indian AC. Indian AC defense wouldn't come from preventing a fighter launch a weapon towards it, its defense would depend if it is able to neutralize incoming missile. Now this is where we both can imagine some.



You are looking to neutralize incoming Career Killer and Cruise Missiles with Brhmos? Mate I thought I am talking to somebody who has at-least some basic understanding about attack and defense. What you are talking here is an attack but what we have been discussion since hours is attack and Indian ability to DEFEND itself from that ATTACK or preventing ATTACK to happen the first place.

well buddy i guess you got me wrong i wanted to say that countering indian CBG will be that last thing on PAFs mind as it will have to first counter and dileute the threat posed by indian planes like jags , MKIs , M2Ks & Mig 29s backed by indian ground based israeli green pine , french, russian and indian radras and huge numbers of AA batteries

as for blocking pakistani sea lanes we dont need to send subs or CBGs(though indian CBG will be escorted by three subs aswell) there as mumbai/pune & baroda airbases (with there jags & MKIs) is very near to your karachi and gadawar naval bases to keep you away from veturing into any fancy stuff u just said

as for ASMs well yes you have babur, raad harpoons but dont forget that we have more and in way large numbers than you ever imagined and all are pointed towards you

as for range of bhramos well we dont need to have more as it does owr job as of now + each MKI as of now carries at least one air launched version of bhramos and in near future will carry 3 and preprations are on to make a lighter one which owr MIG 29 K will be able to carry + we just dont have those but a whole lot of them from many different sources

+ true range of bhramos is very debatable and as of now most on indian naval vessels carry brhamos as there primarry offensive wepon

+ all owr naval ships have there very own defensive and offensive stand off wepons aswell and that too way more advanced and in almost thrice the in numbers as you have and yes bhramos is not to blunt baburs or raads but its a offensive wepon all along and please dont think indians will be sitting ducks to your baburs and raads cause ...khair jane do

so the bottom line is god forbit if ever we are engaged in such a scenario but if it does we will not need CBG to block you ... Good night sir

 

[Jf Thunder]

Go study it. Guess you were too young at the time. Anyways hopefully you can prevent more Pakistani deaths from the gorilla warriors. Like bombings in mosques or at markets. How many Pakistanis have been killed lately?

the last time i heard it was 40 000

 

[gslv mk3]

@graphican

There is no anti ship babur.

 

[Jf Thunder]

@graphican

There is no anti ship babur.

ask the RAW if they are well placed then they will tell you

 

[gslv mk3]

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ask the RAW if they are well placed then they will tell you

ask the RAW if they are well placed then they will tell you

Usually bragging,I guess pakistan also has ICBMs & MIRVs....
Ever heard of 'Seekers'??

 

[Jf Thunder]

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Usually bragging,I guess pakistan also has ICBMs & MIRVs....
Ever heard of 'Seekers'??

what are ICMs and MIRVs? and what r seekers?

 

[Viper 94]

Oh yes emphasis on the usage of the Maverick missile and ignore the usage of Harpoons and bombs as well. By the way the Cole was out of action for only 14 months. Not 3 years. And there was no urgency to repair it so soon since we were not in a total war compare to lets say WW2 where the Franklin was even more worst shape and was repaired in 4 months.

cole didnt see action for about 3 years dammit it took 14 months just to repair it
attack dates
12 October 2000
date of redeployment
20 August 2003

and yeah i didnt have time to watch the whole thing
but as i said harpoon caused a lot more damage than maverick
the harpoon strike wasnt even necessary after gbu-12 and maverick
a real ship would have been paralyzed
also harpoon's speed is around .7 mach
400 kg CM-400AKG Wrecker will impact a target at a speed of mach 3
the force of impact will be much greater

 

[graphican]

Sure I'll be around to see the back and forth spewing hate with each other. We are smart enough not to mess with nuclear armed countries. They know it too since they use proxies. And we are still technically at war with North Korea but it hasn't done much except assassinations and sinking a boat, but not doing anything rash like invading South Korea again because of the consequences that could lead to it.

With that definition sir, USA and Pakistan are also at war

 

[graphican]

as for ASMs well yes you have babur, raad harpoons but dont forget that we have more and in way large numbers than you ever imagined and all are pointed towards you

You are iterating the same thing again. I am telling you I will fire a bullet aiming you and you are mentioning that you have several of those and you will aim-back, without considering that what my bullet is going to do with you and in the defense your bullets are not going to help.

India has 2 aircraft careers and if it looses one of them within first few hours of the conflict, you know what would it would mean for India and for us and what we are trying to discuss here is that Pakistan has enough means to make this happen.

 

[graphican]

@graphican
There is no anti ship babur.

There is tube launched version for naval usage but is it for land-attack or naval attack is left to speculations. Its specification are good kept secret.

 

[gslv mk3]

@graphican

Its just a speculation.

And,please buddy,before fantasising about India losing aircraft carrier think how these would be delivered to an aircraft carrier evading AD systems of other ships of CBG,the interception of the migs,detection by the AC s long range tracking radar.

And finally there is Barak 8 ( I guess this would go on Vikrant ) which Israelis think can counter the Yakhont.

 

[GURU DUTT]

You are iterating the same thing again. I am telling you I will fire a bullet aiming you and you are mentioning that you have several of those and you will aim-back, without considering that what my bullet is going to do with you and in the defense your bullets are not going to help.

India has 2 aircraft careers and if it looses one of them within first few hours of the conflict, you know what would it would mean for India and for us and what we are trying to discuss here is that Pakistan has enough means to make this happen.

well brother thing is we know that your very unpredictable thats the main reason we indians are over cautious and have rehersed it over and over and over again + why do you think that you got the right to fire the first bullet and we will have no defnce shield if ever you gather guts to fire a bullet at us.....

well bro we are indians remeber and we have survived the islamick onslought for more than 800 years and now know most of your manouvering and diversionarry tackitcs and same applies to indian navy

as for loosing a CBG in "first few hours of conflict" well brother dont worry about that aswell cause bothof owr current CBGs are not so toothless as you think

to rach them you need first to escape the mulitple radar shields of the indian ships , then comes the K31 awac hellies and there extended radar shields, the two subs lurking beneath the surface who escort every CBG + not to forget at least 5 attack MIG29Ks or sea harriers (which are ready round the 24X7X365 days)which are considered to be best sea level fighter planes after super bugs and marien rafales backed again by land based radras(to monitor, track and annalyse all your moves) jags and MKIs which are kept seppratelly for this very same purpose (pakistani air force coming owt to get a shot at owr CBGs)

so buddy if all that was not enof ever thought about the armada of smart UAVs & many small & big indian naval vessels which will first test the waters before the CBG comes in the arena

so in short you cant divert a huge chunk or your airforce to attack owr CBG to get symbolick moral booster as there are other formidable indian assets already to keep you on your tose cause you niether have the numbers nor the technology for the same

still good luck