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China faces immense difficulties in developing its domestic semiconductor industry, as the US significantly ramps up export restrictions on advanced technologies, according to top Chinese chip experts and executives.


Washington’s efforts to dampen China’s semiconductor ambitions, which gathered speed last week after US President Joe Biden signed the Chips and Science Act into law, have become one of the most discussed topics at the 2022 World Semiconductor Conference and Expo, which kicked off on Thursday in the eastern Chinese city of Nanjing.


The new US law, which seeks to deter foreign investments in advanced chip-making technologies in China, creates insurmountable challenges, said Yu Xiekang, vice-chairman of China Semiconductor Industry Association (CSIA) – the state-backed trade group behind the mainland’s integrated circuit (IC) industry.


“It is impossible for China to tackle bottlenecks in semiconductor equipment and materials on its own,” Yu said during a panel discussion. He suggested that the country should consider alternative paths, such as shoring up its strength in advanced packaging, including chiplets.

The CSIA, which represents 744 member-firms in China’s semiconductor sector, on Wednesday denounced the US chips act as a violation of fair trade, and warned of “chaos” in global supply chains.


China’s home-grown chip materials and equipment are not yet good enough to replace imports, Hu Wenlong – vice-president of Tongfu Microelectronics, a leading Chinese semiconductor testing and packaging company – said at the event.

“Our observation is that the investment in domestic equipment and materials is still insufficient, and home-grown production equipment is rarely used in production lines,” Hu said. Closer domestic and international cooperation is needed to enhance China’s ability in these areas, he added.

Tongfu, which was set up in 1997 as a joint venture between the Chinese government and Japan’s Fujitsu, has become a key player in the chip industry after it acquired two factories from US semiconductor company Advanced Micro Devices in 2016.


While China’s domestic chip industry appears to be doing well when measured by sales data, its core technologies leave much to be desired, Hu said.


China is the world’s largest semiconductor market, thanks to thriving demand from downstream industries ranging from car production to home appliances manufacturing.

Being unable to make more advanced chips, such as those used in the latest smartphones, China currently spends more on importing ICs than buying foreign oil.

Last month, China’s production of ICs dropped 16.6 per cent year on year to 27.2 billion units, according to government data, as intermittent Covid-19 cases hampered production and hurt demand, leading to an oversupply of low-end chip products.


This week’s semiconductor conference in Nanjing is one of the most important annual gatherings for the Chinese chip industry that brings together key players, including government officials, company executives and top engineers, to exchange views on the sector.

Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., the world’s leading contract chip maker and which runs a 12-inch foundry in Nanjing that makes 16-nanometre and 28-nm chips, hosted a special session at the event.


Amy Chen, technology director of the company’s mainland division, said the firm is expected to start mass production of its 2-nm process in Taiwan by 2025.

 
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Of course it's going to be a difficult road. No task worth doing is easy, especially when it comes to developing your technologies to be on par with the West.
 
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The Chinese never brag like American even though they are very confident of winning the competition. Like Chinese 7nm chips are a hush hush matter uncovered only by western media. The Chinese never made a big hooha about this achievement.
 
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Patrick P. Gelsinger cannot even save rotten Intel today.

Intel used to be engineer paradise while the USA elites and their MBA dogs are plotting to make it a slave shop. The result is Intel now in sht hole. Then US elites realized their in deep sht and brought in one of Intel best engineers Pat Gelsinger to salvage.

Till now he failed.

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As an engineering veteran, I can strongly feel the hatred and envy of leaders in companies against engineers.
 
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Patrick P. Gelsinger cannot even save rotten Intel today.

Intel used to be engineer paradise while the USA elites and their MBA dogs are plotting to make it a slave shop. The result is Intel now in sht hole. Then US elites realized their in deep sht and brought in one of Intel best engineers Pat Gelsinger to salvage.

Till now he failed.

**************

As an engineering veteran, I can strongly feel the hatred and envy of leaders in companies against engineers.
Best of American talent nowadays goes to Wallstreet to figure out yet another ingenious and innovative way to create money out of nothing and how to fleece the rest of the poor souls who are slaving away to make the rich even richer.
 
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Best of American talent nowadays goes to Wallstreet to figure out yet another ingenious and innovative way to create money out of nothing and how to fleece the rest of the poor souls who are slaving away to make the rich even richer.

This is correct in some ways but it cannot explain why US who attracts the best talents in the world got hammered by TSMC who only mobilized local graduates out of a tiny population pool of 20 millions.

Taiwanese graduates certainly cant compete against 7 billion population pool of the world.
 
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China doesn't have its own ecosystems like Win-tel or Apple.

I think if the USA is shutting down everything, China will back to the stone age.

It's from the mercy of the USA, that China's IT sector is still alive today.
 
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China doesn't have its own ecosystems like Win-tel or Apple.

I think if the USA is shutting down everything, China will back to the stone age.

It's from the mercy of the USA, that China's IT sector is still alive today.

EUV 2nm is the collective outcome of entire western world -- not really a indigenous Dutch endeavor alone. Even US cant make ASML EUV 2nm.

I guess China can make 100nm lithography with its own effort, without any 3rd party parts. This will be ok for all military purpose.
 
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This is correct in some ways but it cannot explain why US who attracts the best talents in the world got hammered by TSMC who only mobilized local graduates out of a tiny population pool of 20 millions.

Taiwanese graduates certainly cant compete against 7 billion population pool of the world.
Not true. You do not know what you are talking about. Every semicon company have foreigners at the engineering and managerial levels.
 
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China doesn't have its own ecosystems like Win-tel or Apple.

I think if the USA is shutting down everything, China will back to the stone age.

It's from the mercy of the USA, that China's IT sector is still alive today.
LOL! This is hilariously retarded.

China is the world's largest semiconductor market. That's like fruit seller telling his customer that he will have no access to vitamin C if he shut down the stall.
 
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China doesn't have its own ecosystems like Win-tel or Apple.

I think if the USA is shutting down everything, China will back to the stone age.

It's from the mercy of the USA, that China's IT sector is still alive today.

1. China has its own ecosystem.

2. The USA has closed everything.

3. The ban did not have any impact on China's IT industry, and Chinese companies quickly took over the market.



 
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LOL! This is hilariously retarded.

China is the world's largest semiconductor market. That's like fruit seller telling his customer that he will have no access to vitamin C if he shut down the stall.

It's not China's own ecosystem.

Instead USA's.
 
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It's like saying China can't developed advance weapons and space technology without USA. :crazy:
 
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It's not China's own ecosystem.

Instead USA's.
You cannot survive without demand. The demand has to be there before products and services can be sustained.

China alone accounts for 40% of the world's share of semiconductor market. It's perfectly able to develop and support its own ecosystem, not to mention it has already captured a large market share in developing countries.
 
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Huawei CEO Ren Zhengfei has reportedly told staff that tough economic times represent a real threat to the company.​
Reports in Chinese outlets Yucai and NetEase allege that Ren posted a missive on Huawei’s internal networks in which the CEO called for the company to prioritize cash flow and profit instead of growth and scale.​
Ren’s reasoning is that the global economy is in for up to a decade of depressed demand, with very tough years expected from 2023 to 2025 – a period during which a focus on survival will be necessary.​
He reportedly wrote he is uncertain whether Huawei can “break through” the 2023-2024 period.
Internally, the semicon situations are even worse than publicly acknowledged.
 
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