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China top trade partner of Vietnam: Vietnamese official

Just wait till TPP come out in 2018,lets see what will happen in 2020, why so haste ??:cool:
Where did you find I am haste?:coffee:

I just ask you how high? give a firm figure, be confident, you know the furture, don't tell me you don't know? No firm figure, how do we judge it is high?:coffee:

I am waiting:coffee:
 
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Where did you find I am haste?:coffee:

I just ask you how high? give a firm figure, be confident, you know the furture, don't tell me you don't know? No firm figure, how do we judge it is high?:coffee:

I am waiting:coffee:
Come to VN and find out, all Vnese know its too high now. I dont need to explain to u here.

And u only need to know that 90% TPP will come out in 2018, it will make RMB fall to half in 2024, CN economy will collapse in 2028.:coffee:
 
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well from what i know the chinese care about money. and when most of the money comes through the scs then its obivous it needs defending. who is the united states gonna replace china with as the largest trading partner?
when the US will surpass CN, becoming our largest trading partner?

well, simple mathematics: our trade with CN grows +14% per year, while +24% with America. assuming the growth rate remains constant, America will become #1 in 11 years. the first step will be, as TPP partner, we would encourage the US to replace all chinese goods in supermarkets such as Wallmart by our products: garments, textiles, foods, etc...

that won´t hurt China at all, as their companies shift to higher value chain, producing more sophisticated stuffs such as computers, smartphones, missiles, etc..
 
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when the US will surpass CN, becoming our largest trading partner?

well, simple mathematics: our trade with CN grows +14% per year, while +24% with America. assuming the growth rate remains constant, America will become #1 in 11 years. the first step will be, as TPP partner, we would encourage the US to replace all chinese goods in supermarkets such as Wallmart by our products: garments, textiles, foods, etc...

that won´t hurt China at all, as their companies shift to higher value chain, producing more sophisticated stuffs such as computers, smartphones, missiles, etc..
good luck with that
 
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Surely I hope so. Just wait and see. But I am not overly optimistic about TPP as many Vietnamese members here do, although I fully support it.

Basically you are right, but let take a closer look and make a simple analysis. Some of biggest export items from Vietnam are:

1. Mobile phones: almost all components are imported from China and no one can replace them, even in next 20 years. Components from other countries, aside from China, Taiwan, Korea and Japan (some still from the US) are almost non existent, and even many so-called electronic equipment made-in-A,B,C countries are actually assembled with components from these 4 countries. Developing such complex manufacturing chains will take decades, even in fast-changing countries like China or Taiwan, not to mention about their excellent workforce quality.

2. Garment and clothes: made with textiles and components imported from China, and again, no one can replace them, even in next 20 years. For example, China produces around 60% of polyester worldwide, and quality of its textiles are top-notched.

3. Leather goods: again, with leather imported from China. Can any other country replace them. I guess not, even in next 100 years. China have temperate climate, which is good for leather. India, for most of its parts, do not have such luxury to produce high-quality leather. Other are too small and too far away, or too expensive to compete.

4. Electronic products: again, with components from China, Taiwan or Korea, like the item 1..

It is hard to see the future, but from my experience, it will not be easy (the transfer of garment and textile factories from China to Vietnam). Garment making is a low tech industry, while textile is a high-tech one. Yes, it is, if you have deep knowledge about it.

Without textile making, it is hard to Vietnam to move forward in this industry.





I understand your POV but you need to considered that most countries in the Asia follow the export based model while in the West it is more of consumption based-Aggregate demand (Keynes, Adam Smith, Hayek,...). This mean that devaluate currencies to become more competitve and offer incentive to export firms as well as foreign firm set up production in the countries, this policy can hurt fixed income people, retire people, ........and old people but given that demographic is young, so there is not so much harm, but this can be issued in future when aging and Moreover, devaluation will only encourage mass capital flight out of country if lack of confident. And China also got quite large amount of investment and Tech transfer from more developed countries in the West couple with Japan, Korea,... few decades ago.

After World War II, Japan developed rapidly by prioritizing export manufacturing, making products for consumers in advanced economies faster, more cheaply and more reliably, just like what China is doing now. Government policies encouraged a high savings rate and channeled that capital to exporters. In a phenomenon known as the “flying geese,” South Korea, Taiwan and Malaysia prospered in Japan’s slipstream by adopting similar policies and joining the supply chains pioneered by Japanese companies. And now Asia is accounted nearly half or more in global manufacturing (also manufacturing trade) compare to about 15% in late 1970's and ofc the one with biggest share is China

But growth was easier to attain in the latter part of the last century. In the late 1950's to 1990's, the combined population of exporting powerhouses Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Malaysia is about 200 million. The population of consumer markets in North America and Europe numbered more than 600 million. This equation is now reversed. There are one billion consumers in advanced economies compared to more than two and half billion people living in the developing countries throughout Asia. What worked so well in the past will no longer be as effective for Future!

Global trade also seems to be stalled after runaway growth over the previous two decades. Merchandise exports as a percentage of global GDP peaked at 27% in 2008, up from 15% in the early 1990s. That figure has now fallen to 22%. This should not be a surprise as consumption growth in the U.S. and Eurozone is increasing at an anemic 2-3% in real terms, half the historic average since 1950.

Now, I think ofc As you said the FTA with EU and TPP can bring harm but it benefit outnumbered the down side of it, as it will give Vietnam an relative edge compare to other competitors and also more investment from SMEs or big firms from the West, that is a huge bonus given current economic condition in VN now, it can help VN to diversified and have tech transfer as well as better skilled workforce as you can see after signing up FTA with EU investment from EU boost up to 2nd place particularly huge increase in UK, Germany and France. If you look at other countries in SEA, majority ( or more than 60-70%) investment are coming from East Asia, place all eggs in one basket is never good. But that advantage can be sweep away in coming decade or so. VN should start thinking about motivating the domestic market in addition to export.

And i think our govt should also stop being over bias to SOEs, it is ridiculous. And should start thinking of policy supporting domestic private firms. The consequence of too much government intervention that lead to crowding out effect in the economy. Also need more regulation for setting up bank. Govt can look up to France for some hint and model, they are quite leftist compare to other EU countries so can perfectly fit into our party favourite slogan: Market economy with socialist ideology. They also must think of secure property and intellectual property rights, and the creative destruction of failing state-owned firms to encourage innovation and quality economic growth.

About textile things, in coming decade or two i don't think VN will benefit much from that sector as it will gradually shift away to Laos Cambodia and Myanmar,....With the improvement of internet, i think should focus also on agriculture as farmers with Internet will know market price and taking process to completed products better, so can improve standard of living. About the manufacturing , u know that our govt have policy doing many favours for foreign companies right? The componet supply for foreign firm in VN is 40% i think? With majority from domestic private firms while the loan they receive just 1/4 of what SOEs receive.

Thank God, Dung is out this year and probably Trong few year later too, their "Nắm đấm thép" creating a big mess in VN.
I think you should read this book, too. Pretty decent and nice:
http://tntesaget.do.am/_ld/1/106_Skous-The_big_3.pdf

And i think party should allow self-nominate candidate, i heard they got big discussion about it

@Carlosa , @William Hung, @Viet, @AViet, @Cao Đài
 
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Hey, welcome back. Long time not see you here.

I think you are perfectly right from an academic point of view. However, as I said, future is hard to see. Let's wait and see.
 
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Good for both of us.
Except those small disputes,Vietnam and China dont have many reasons to be enemy.
I found most Viets(girls) are friendly and cute,hope those problems can be settled in the future.
 
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I understand your POV but you need to considered that most countries in the Asia follow the export based model while in the West it is more of consumption based-Aggregate demand (Keynes, Adam Smith, Hayek,...). This mean that devaluate currencies to become more competitve and offer incentive to export firms as well as foreign firm set up production in the countries, this policy can hurt fixed income people, retire people, ........and old people but given that demographic is young, so there is not so much harm, but this can be issued in future when aging and Moreover, devaluation will only encourage mass capital flight out of country if lack of confident. And China also got quite large amount of investment and Tech transfer from more developed countries in the West couple with Japan, Korea,... few decades ago.

After World War II, Japan developed rapidly by prioritizing export manufacturing, making products for consumers in advanced economies faster, more cheaply and more reliably, just like what China is doing now. Government policies encouraged a high savings rate and channeled that capital to exporters. In a phenomenon known as the “flying geese,” South Korea, Taiwan and Malaysia prospered in Japan’s slipstream by adopting similar policies and joining the supply chains pioneered by Japanese companies. And now Asia is accounted nearly half or more in global manufacturing (also manufacturing trade) compare to about 15% in late 1970's and ofc the one with biggest share is China

But growth was easier to attain in the latter part of the last century. In the late 1950's to 1990's, the combined population of exporting powerhouses Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Malaysia is about 200 million. The population of consumer markets in North America and Europe numbered more than 600 million. This equation is now reversed. There are one billion consumers in advanced economies compared to more than two and half billion people living in the developing countries throughout Asia. What worked so well in the past will no longer be as effective for Future!

Global trade also seems to be stalled after runaway growth over the previous two decades. Merchandise exports as a percentage of global GDP peaked at 27% in 2008, up from 15% in the early 1990s. That figure has now fallen to 22%. This should not be a surprise as consumption growth in the U.S. and Eurozone is increasing at an anemic 2-3% in real terms, half the historic average since 1950.

Now, I think ofc As you said the FTA with EU and TPP can bring harm but it benefit outnumbered the down side of it, as it will give Vietnam an relative edge compare to other competitors and also more investment from SMEs or big firms from the West, that is a huge bonus given current economic condition in VN now, it can help VN to diversified and have tech transfer as well as better skilled workforce as you can see after signing up FTA with EU investment from EU boost up to 2nd place particularly huge increase in UK, Germany and France. If you look at other countries in SEA, majority ( or more than 60-70%) investment are coming from East Asia, place all eggs in one basket is never good. But that advantage can be sweep away in coming decade or so. VN should start thinking about motivating the domestic market in addition to export.

And i think our govt should also stop being over bias to SOEs, it is ridiculous. And should start thinking of policy supporting domestic private firms. The consequence of too much government intervention that lead to crowding out effect in the economy. Also need more regulation for setting up bank. Govt can look up to France for some hint and model, they are quite leftist compare to other EU countries so can perfectly fit into our party favourite slogan: Market economy with socialist ideology. They also must think of secure property and intellectual property rights, and the creative destruction of failing state-owned firms to encourage innovation and quality economic growth.

About textile things, in coming decade or two i don't think VN will benefit much from that sector as it will gradually shift away to Laos Cambodia and Myanmar,....With the improvement of internet, i think should focus also on agriculture as farmers with Internet will know market price and taking process to completed products better, so can improve standard of living. About the manufacturing , u know that our govt have policy doing many favours for foreign companies right? The componet supply for foreign firm in VN is 40% i think? With majority from domestic private firms while the loan they receive just 1/4 of what SOEs receive.

Thank God, Dung is out this year and probably Trong few year later too, their "Nắm đấm thép" creating a big mess in VN.
I think you should read this book, too. Pretty decent and nice:
http://tntesaget.do.am/_ld/1/106_Skous-The_big_3.pdf

And i think party should allow self-nominate candidate, i heard they got big discussion about it

@Carlosa , @William Hung, @Viet, @AViet, @Cao Đài

Totally correct man and yes, the government needs to stop their toxic attachment to SOEs. Vietnam actually has a lot of capable young people that can lead, but those old school conservative party heads cling to their positions like if there is no tomorrow.
 
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china is playing it smart. vietnam's policy to china is agressive due to the scs but at the same time it being agressive to it's largest trading partner. vietnam is needs to get its priorities straight. does it want to be come a pawn on the chess board or does it want to makes its own decisions. i think we all know the answer.
What's agressive part in Vietnam's policy toward China !? Some comments from Vietnamese members on this forum !?
 
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I understand your POV but you need to considered that most countries in the Asia follow the export based model while in the West it is more of consumption based-Aggregate demand (Keynes, Adam Smith, Hayek,...). This mean that devaluate currencies to become more competitve and offer incentive to export firms as well as foreign firm set up production in the countries, this policy can hurt fixed income people, retire people, ........and old people but given that demographic is young, so there is not so much harm, but this can be issued in future when aging and Moreover, devaluation will only encourage mass capital flight out of country if lack of confident. And China also got quite large amount of investment and Tech transfer from more developed countries in the West couple with Japan, Korea,... few decades ago.

After World War II, Japan developed rapidly by prioritizing export manufacturing, making products for consumers in advanced economies faster, more cheaply and more reliably, just like what China is doing now. Government policies encouraged a high savings rate and channeled that capital to exporters. In a phenomenon known as the “flying geese,” South Korea, Taiwan and Malaysia prospered in Japan’s slipstream by adopting similar policies and joining the supply chains pioneered by Japanese companies. And now Asia is accounted nearly half or more in global manufacturing (also manufacturing trade) compare to about 15% in late 1970's and ofc the one with biggest share is China

But growth was easier to attain in the latter part of the last century. In the late 1950's to 1990's, the combined population of exporting powerhouses Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Malaysia is about 200 million. The population of consumer markets in North America and Europe numbered more than 600 million. This equation is now reversed. There are one billion consumers in advanced economies compared to more than two and half billion people living in the developing countries throughout Asia. What worked so well in the past will no longer be as effective for Future!

Global trade also seems to be stalled after runaway growth over the previous two decades. Merchandise exports as a percentage of global GDP peaked at 27% in 2008, up from 15% in the early 1990s. That figure has now fallen to 22%. This should not be a surprise as consumption growth in the U.S. and Eurozone is increasing at an anemic 2-3% in real terms, half the historic average since 1950.

Now, I think ofc As you said the FTA with EU and TPP can bring harm but it benefit outnumbered the down side of it, as it will give Vietnam an relative edge compare to other competitors and also more investment from SMEs or big firms from the West, that is a huge bonus given current economic condition in VN now, it can help VN to diversified and have tech transfer as well as better skilled workforce as you can see after signing up FTA with EU investment from EU boost up to 2nd place particularly huge increase in UK, Germany and France. If you look at other countries in SEA, majority ( or more than 60-70%) investment are coming from East Asia, place all eggs in one basket is never good. But that advantage can be sweep away in coming decade or so. VN should start thinking about motivating the domestic market in addition to export.

And i think our govt should also stop being over bias to SOEs, it is ridiculous. And should start thinking of policy supporting domestic private firms. The consequence of too much government intervention that lead to crowding out effect in the economy. Also need more regulation for setting up bank. Govt can look up to France for some hint and model, they are quite leftist compare to other EU countries so can perfectly fit into our party favourite slogan: Market economy with socialist ideology. They also must think of secure property and intellectual property rights, and the creative destruction of failing state-owned firms to encourage innovation and quality economic growth.

About textile things, in coming decade or two i don't think VN will benefit much from that sector as it will gradually shift away to Laos Cambodia and Myanmar,....With the improvement of internet, i think should focus also on agriculture as farmers with Internet will know market price and taking process to completed products better, so can improve standard of living. About the manufacturing , u know that our govt have policy doing many favours for foreign companies right? The componet supply for foreign firm in VN is 40% i think? With majority from domestic private firms while the loan they receive just 1/4 of what SOEs receive.

Thank God, Dung is out this year and probably Trong few year later too, their "Nắm đấm thép" creating a big mess in VN.
I think you should read this book, too. Pretty decent and nice:
http://tntesaget.do.am/_ld/1/106_Skous-The_big_3.pdf

And i think party should allow self-nominate candidate, i heard they got big discussion about it

@Carlosa , @William Hung, @Viet, @AViet, @Cao Đài
hey welcome back. long time no see.

actually the world is much more complex and complicated than you described. especially in the case of VN. we started at very low economic base, and we are late with structure reforms. but better late than never.
 
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hey welcome back. long time no see.

actually the world is much more complex and complicated than you described. especially in the case of VN. we started at very low economic base, and we are late with structure reforms. but better late than never.
We r not so late.US put collars around CN JP,SingEU's necks, so if they run too fast, US will pull them back( JP,CN economy going down is an example).

VN is free gaunt wolf, we can do whatever we want, and no one can pull us back except outselves.
 
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I know Vietnamese point of view. You have an ancient map that shows some islands along your coast, you call them Hon Sa and Truong Sa, then you applied the same names to other islands hundred miles away and claimed you own those islands. It is like China rename Philippines as Hainan, and claim Philippines as China's.



I don't think you can talk one full sentence without this TPP thing. :partay:

Ancient Vietnamese maps were made by Chinese, names are in Chinese. Vietnam have no written language of its own.

Let's imagine how much credibility a country would have if its history are written in another language :)
 
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Ancient Vietnamese maps were made by Chinese, names are in Chinese. Vietnam have no written language of its own.

Let's imagine how much credibility a country would have if its history are written in another language :)


Vietnamese have to find their very existence in Chinese history books, and yet they do have the nerve to claim a big trunk of Chinese land and entire SCS as their god given right! What a joke!
 
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Ancient Vietnamese maps were made by Chinese, names are in Chinese. Vietnam have no written language of its own.

Let's imagine how much credibility a country would have if its history are written in another language :)

What do you mean when Korean and Japan has also used Hanzi for writing ? There are symbolic icons has been used for record the meaning on paper only. :-)

Vietnamese have to find their very existence in Chinese history books, and yet they do have the nerve to claim a big trunk of Chinese land and entire SCS as their god given right! What a joke!

when Mayuan and his army invaded in to Vietnam 2,000 year ago, he destroyed and burnt every thing. This is crimie of Chinese.

But, atleast in the past your ancestor has recognized in old map printed China the truth : where is Jiaozhi border and where is Jiaozhi Ocean (East Sea of Vietnam and Paracel, Spratly is there).

giao ci.jpg
 
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What do you mean when Korean and Japan has also used Hanzi for writing ? There are symbolic icons has been used for record the meaning on paper only. :-)



when Mayuan and his army invaded in to Vietnam 2,000 year ago, he destroyed and burnt every thing. This is crimie of Chinese.

But, atleast in the past your ancestor has recognized in old map printed China the truth : where is Jiaozhi border and where is Jiaozhi Ocean (East Sea of Vietnam and Paracel, Spratly is there).

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Jiaozhi? Dumpling?
 
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