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India and China are in the middle of a spat resulting from a mix of bad timing and unusual Indian assertiveness over the Dalai Lama’s place in the religious pantheon here, as well as a new determination to pursue its economic interests in the South China seas.

The Sino-Indian boundary talks, scheduled between national security advisor Shiv Shanker Menon and his Chinese counterpart, Dai Bingguo, have been cancelled. That was after Beijing demanded that Delhi scrap a Buddhist conference at which the Dalai Lama was expected to be a chief guest. Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei said China “opposed any country that provided a platform to the Dalai Lama and his activities”
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Hong reiterated the Chinese official stand on the Dalai Lama at his weekly Monday briefing, saying he “is not a purely religious figure but one engaged in separatist activities for a long time, under the pretext of religion…We oppose any country that provides a platform for his anti-China activities in any form.”

Indian diplomats said with China it was imperative to take the long view, which is that “anything India does with the Tibetan holy leader is the equivalent to taking a red rag to a bull,” and said it was the invitation to him at the Delhi conference that did the trick.

‘Not an equal’

The recent background to the spat is interesting. According to a highly-placed US government source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, the Americans suggested to the Chinese in June that they embark upon a trilateral dialogue with India. This first took place during the conversations between US assistant secretary of state for East Asia, Kurt Campbell, and Chinese vice-minister Cui Tiankai, during their inaugural US-China consultations on the Asia-Pacific region in Honolulu, Hawaii.

The Chinese were very clear and told the Americans, the US government source confirmed, that “there was no need for a lesser power, like India, to participate in a dialogue among equals, such as the US and China”.

The US government source confirmed that the Americans were “quite taken aback by the quietly confident manner in which the Chinese turned down the US suggestion on India”.

The Americans, who have been encouraging Delhi to be much more enterprising in their foreign policy consultations with third countries, will hold the first ever trilateral between India, Japan and the US in mid-December in Washington DC.

Until last week, Delhi had seemed to take Chinese criticism in its stride. Foreign secretary Ranjan Mathai, speaking at the ministry of defence think tank, the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, said India would be happy to participate in a trilateral dialogue with the US and China.

In fact, the US has been keen to undertake joint projects with India in Afghanistan, in Africa and in the Asia-Pacific. While Delhi has shied away from engaging with the US in Afghanistan, it has happily reaped the benefit of a growing relationship with the US in east Asia and Australia. India’s growing economy has also propelled it towards greater economic integration with Japan, South Korea, Singapore and Australia. With the signature of several Free Trade Area agreements in this part of the world, the sense of India expanding its footprint in China’s neighbourhood is inescapable.

Indian thinking

So, when India finally decided to take up Vietnam’s offer, pending since 1988, to explore and exploit two oil blocks in the South China seas off the coast from Vietnam, and Chinese premier Wen Jiabao raised the issue with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh at the East Asia summit in Bali last week, the PM insisted India’s interests were “purely commercial”.

When India offered to meet China halfway at the Buddhist conference, saying neither the PM nor the President would share the stage with the Dalai Lama, Beijing refused and wanted Delhi to stop the Dalai Lama from attending. Instead, Delhi called off the meeting.


“The Indian elephant is usually very lazy, but once it takes a decision, it is very difficult for him to backtrack,” said Srikant Kondapalli, Chinese expert at Jawaharlal Nehru University’s School of International Studies.


Indian diplomats sought to play down the latest disagreement with Beijing, saying both sides would return to “business as usual” very soon.

Kondapalli noted that in 1956, the Dalai Lama had come to Patna from Tibet to participate in the 2,500th anniversary of the Buddha’s birth, which then prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru had attended. Fifty years later, Delhi could not possibly tell the Tibetan leader not to attend the Buddhist celebrations, especially when he now lived in India.

Asked if this spat would have an impact on the likely visit of Chinese vice-president and president-designate Xi Jinping in January, the diplomats noted that the dates for Xi’s visit had not been finalised.

The diplomatic sources implied it was time for China to come to terms with India’s rising power and status in the region, considering Delhi had also been adjusting to the reality of China being a rising power that was ready to take its place as the world’s most powerful nation.

They said India had watched China expand its presence in the Indian neighbourhood, especially in Pakistan, but had mostly kept quiet. “But just because China was becoming more sensitive about India’s presence in East Asia does not mean India has to watch its step,” said a government official.

Kondapalli agreed that China was becoming more “isolated, as well as confident at the same time,” pointing to its holding of $1 trillion worth of US treasury bonds and its imminent shopping expeditions in the euro zone to snap up cheap assets.

On the other hand, as the US sold F-16 fighter planes to Indonesia, strengthened its trans-Pacific partnership with Australia, South Korea, Japan, Singapore and Malaysia, and announced military bases in Australia, the sense that China’s expanding might had to be balanced in some way by the rest of the region was becoming a greater concern, he said.

China to US: India a 'lesser power', not an equal
 
i don't necessarily disagree with the chinese view. India still is a weaker nation compared to US and China.
We have barely broken into the top ten economies, and we have a boat load of issues.
It would be better to resolve our domestic issues before aiming to play with the big boys.
 
Agreed India lesser power than China and US But China also lesser power than US. How can they say they are equals?? What stupid ego!!

Let US and China sort out their own issues. Indians don't need to interfere or comment.
How do Indians feel when PK members stick their nose in Sino-Indian issues.
 
The US government source confirmed that the Americans were “quite taken aback by the quietly confident manner in which the Chinese turned down the US suggestion on India”.
:azn: We have you in the palm of our hands you don't even know it!
 
Its not China, Indian government member said last week India is super poor not super power. :D
 
Let US and China sort out their own issues. Indians don't need to interfere or comment.
How do Indians feel when PK members stick their nose in Sino-Indian issues.

It would nt be right for us to just keep quite and watch the fun that is not what a nation with strength will do, it is not like we are looking in for trouble or poking our noses in to somebody's problems. There are time when you should voice your openions.

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Its not China, Indian government member said last week India is super poor not super power. :D

Give way................there comes the Troll
 
The US can sh!t you all day long and there is nothing China can do about it. Equals, my foot :lol:

Anyway whatever floats their boat. It's not us becoming isolated. This should provide the incentive to India to fasten their "Look-East" policy.

Engage Viet Nam, Japan, South Korea & Australia more closely along with the US.
 
It seems chinese have developed a new mantra....How to be Strong..simply point out weaknesses of current and potential competitors...hope it is in good interest of competitors of china than china itself...as they are either under estimating their competitors or have become soo arrogant....both are not good for china....so np..u call us weaker....this weaker country will open a trilateral talk with another two weak countries namely US and Japan....cheers
 

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