China to have 4 aircraft carriers, 18 Type 055 destroyers, and 300 J-20 by 2025

[The Accountant]

That’s not new. It’s a race between stealth and radar.

The US is far ahead of anybody though they began developing stealth aircraft and other countermeasures during the Vietnam war as a means against North Vietnam radar guided missiles.

We can assume the US has a means, too against Russia and China stealth aircraft. Believing the US not developing anti stealth radars is naive.

About phonon, it sounds interesting, I didn’t know it. Can you post the link?

I am unable to find the original research paper however here is an article describing the device that is capable of measuring a single phonon

https://interestingengineering.com/...e-that-can-measure-individual-sound-particles

Furthermore, there is no argument that USA is way ahead in defence tech in comparison to China. And in a equally favorable battle ground China stand no chance against US military technology and war machine but China is strong enough that now USA cannot attack China mainland without taking a heavy blow itself and most probably will loose.

No matter how strong you are but in actual battlefield logistics is the most cruicial factor. Even a country like Afghanistan could not be truly captured despite using daisy cutters. In case of China, how can USA attack, by using its 6 of 11 super carrier or may be from military bases in Japan, South Korea and Central Asia. Even in that case China's mainland has its own miliatry industrial base and has quantity on its side. No matter what how advance F35s are the can carry operations from the carrier only which is limited is spares and fuel and cannot guard the air 24/7 on the other hand China's mainland can attack these carrier at will and can really take a hit due to huge numeric superiority (in case of attack on Chinese Mainland).

In short, Chinese military power despite of being inferior to USA has surpassed the threshold where it can be invaded by any country alone. The only scenario where China can be invaded is by involvement of NATO which is highly unlikely.

 

[UKBengali]

The type 056 is not very suitable for long range operation, I mean not very suitable, but does not mean it can not... With our numerous fleet replenishment ships, they can go anywhere we want... Modern time ships with 1500 tons displacement are much easier to sail in the ocean than those WWII 1000 ton class destroyers which were everywhere in the open ocean... And for our active ships, we have ~30 large destroyers, 30+2 type 054/054As and another 10+ frigates with 2000+ ton displacement, and then the type 056s... And don't forget our ~70 subs including the type 095s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_People's_Liberation_Army_Navy_ships

I keep having to repeat myself lol

Submarines - China will only be sending your latest fast nuclear subs(3 Type-093SSNs) as the rest are either too noisy or too slow to keep up with the aircraft carriers and escorts.
China's military leaders are not that simple minded.

As for the Type-056s, yes they can technically sail in open ocean, but the logistics of supporting an extra 60 Type-056s 1000s of kms away from China's coasts would be crippling - simply you do not have enough refuelling and resupply capacity as you never planned for it.

As for your F35, your shameless claim here again with ZERO support... Your fatty slow clumsy dare not to come close to 300km distance to our fleet with Harpoons which will make your stealth a joke, and dare not to come 100km distance even without loads on the external hardpoint. Our powerful radar will guide our missile to kill them all like crush a fly... And 5-10 km?? You mean you are Kamakazi??? You are within reach of the infrared sensors and visible eyes... You are a joke proved...

No F-35Bs will not be using Harpoons as you rightly say they will lose their stealth.
The main use of the F-35Bs will be to wipe all your J-15Bs from the sky on the first day of battle and to use their powerful LPI radar to give accurate real time tracking of your fleet. Yes the F-35B will be scanning in and out(switch on radar > scan Chinese fleet > switch off radar > move position > switch on radar again > scan Chinese fleet > cycle.
UK is currently testing the 140km Spear 3 anti-radar missile and so I am sure a few dozen will be sent to get some real-live practice on your fleet. Each F-35B can carry 8 internally while also carrying 2 AMRAAMs
btw - On one hand you say that the Harpoons will make the F-35B lose it's stealth and the other you say that your anti-stealth radar makes stealth irrelevant? You are contradicting yourself there.

And now you bring up the availability of planes and training of landing...lol
Since you joke can never provide any link or ref or source for you B.S.. This is what I have found for you:
Majority of your dozen F35B are for your airforce, which like our J20s, you assume could not land on the carriers and be used in open sea battle...Although you are B.S....First F35B of your own taking off from your carrier with out US assistance is just a very recent thing... Which means you don't even have a dozen F35B available in your navy, not even close to that.. May be just 1 or 2... Now, Even a dozen of your F35Bs on your carriers are still years away... Your 1 or 2 F35bs will be gang raped even by our J15s...

All first 48 F-35Bs ordered are dual airforce and navy compatible.
Both the airforce and navy pilots are training to use them.
There are currently 18 in the UK's hands and all 18 will be available immediately to sail - 9 on each carrier.
This is not the same as J-20 that is PLAAF only.

And remember, all our previous discussion, we all bought your B.S. that we can only shot down your DOZEN joke plane by SAMs... But do not forget that our J15s can be guided by our radar and anti stealth radar to the rough position of your fatty clumsy F35Bs and kill them too. Remember, your AA missiles only have ~70km range, and will be even less in real operation, which means, if you want to attack our plane, you are also locked by our planes and ships too.... As your plane is slow and clumsy, you have ZERO chance to escape, while our J15s supported by our ships and they are agile and fast, have way better chance to get rid of your missiles... BTW, we have far more planes than you as well... This is just another bonus for us too as the previous discussion the J15s are excluded by your B.S, and provided you must have at least a DOZEN F35B available for your navy.... And remember, another clumsy plane claimed to be super duper which can shoot down any planes within long distance is the F-4 phantom, which turned out to be a joke and been shot down numerous times by our J-6/mig-19s.... lol...

So now your anti-stealth radar will be able to "guide" J-15s to the rough position of the F-35Bs. I thought you said it will know exactly and direct a HHQ-9 missile from 1-200kms to shoot it down?

Let me tell you another thing for free - The J-15 would have have to be within 20-30kms of an F-35B to get a firing solution, whereas an F-35B would "see" the J-15 from 200kms away using it's LPI radar.
F-35B would know that Chinese radars were scanning it and so would switch to DAS to locate any J-15s within many 10s of kms away from it and then use their AMRAAMs to destroy it - no radar lock would even be required. So all that China would have would be a general idea that the F-35B was in the area but no precise location would ever be available unless the J-15 went to within 20-30kms and switched on it's radar but the F-35B would have used DAS and AMRAAM to have splashed the J-15 way before then.
I hope that Chinese military leaders are not that stupid to try this tactic you suggest!

I am not blinded by any nationalism. In comparision to USA China still need to be achieve alot but UK. Do you really think that UK has any chance of even defending its mainland in one on one against China ?

Regarding J20s. Ever heard of aerial refuelling and SEAD operations ? when 120 strategic bombers of China with each having 6 supersonic missiles under protection of aerial refuelling capable J20s, F35, J10, J15 and J16s come to the air then I would really like to see how UKs tiny fleet will defend against 720 incoming missiles just from the strategic bombers alone.

I have not even acconted for J11 and anti ship ballistic missiles.

China has long surpassed UK and for that matter any other country's military capabilities except for USA and NATO combined. This is a reality and anyone who is denying it is living in a fool's paradise.

Are you really an accountant as your handle seems to suggest?

Do you have any idea what the logistic issues would be of refuelling a J-20 2-3000kms away from the Chinese mainland.
To get an idea of what this may mean please study the below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck

Chinese strategic bombers are the 120 H-6s.
Yes they have the range and the weaponry but how would they know where to launch their missiles at as China would either need sub tracking or air tracking of the UK fleet? The UK would control both the air and under the surface and so not possible. Satellites are not enough by themselves as they cannot give realtime information since they pass by in orbit.

This one is the most ridiculous in your post.



"Do you really think that UK has any chance of even defending its mainland in one on one against China ?"

Even the USN would take 1 year to defeat the UK and that is with USAF help - US mainland is only 5000kms from UK but China is more than 10000km away and it is not a straight line over ocean like from USA to UK.

How will China even hope to fuel and resupply it's fleet from so far away?
There are a few choke points where the Chinese supply convoy would have to pass through - UK SSNs would be waiting to hunt them down at these locations.

Also how would the PLAN airforce of just 30-40 J-15s cope with 150 Euro-fighters armed with the deadly Meteor missile and guided by the full-size AWACs that UK has on the mainland?

 

[Kai Liu]

I keep having to repeat myself lol

Submarines - China will only be sending your latest fast nuclear subs(3 Type-093SSNs) as the rest are either too noisy or too slow to keep up with the aircraft carriers and escorts.
China's military leaders are not that simple minded.

As for the Type-056s, yes they can technically sail in open ocean, but the logistics of supporting an extra 60 Type-056s 1000s of kms away from China's coasts would be crippling - simply you do not have enough refuelling and resupply capacity as you never planned for it.




No F-35Bs will not be using Harpoons as you rightly say they will lose their stealth.
The main use of the F-35Bs will be to wipe all your J-15Bs from the sky on the first day of battle and to use their powerful LPI radar to give accurate real time tracking of your fleet. Yes the F-35B will be scanning in and out(switch on radar > scan Chinese fleet > switch off radar > move position > switch on radar again > scan Chinese fleet > cycle.
UK is currently testing the 140km Spear 3 anti-radar missile and so I am sure a few dozen will be sent to get some real-live practice on your fleet. Each F-35B can carry 8 internally while also carrying 2 AMRAAMs
btw - On one hand you say that the Harpoons will make the F-35B lose it's stealth and the other you say that your anti-stealth radar makes stealth irrelevant? You are contradicting yourself there.







All first 48 F-35Bs ordered are dual airforce and navy compatible.
Both the airforce and navy pilots are training to use them.
There are currently 18 in the UK's hands and all 18 will be available immediately to sail - 9 on each carrier.
This is not the same as J-20 that is PLAAF only.




So now your anti-stealth radar will be able to "guide" J-15s to the rough position of the F-35Bs. I thought you said it will know exactly and direct a HHQ-9 missile from 1-200kms to shoot it down?

Let me tell you another thing for free - The J-15 would have have to be within 20-30kms of an F-35B to get a firing solution, whereas an F-35B would "see" the J-15 from 200kms away using it's LPI radar.
F-35B would know that Chinese radars were scanning it and so would switch to DAS to locate any J-15s within many 10s of kms away from it and then use their AMRAAMs to destroy it - no radar lock would even be required. So all that China would have would be a general idea that the F-35B was in the area but no precise location would ever be available unless the J-15 went to within 20-30kms and switched on it's radar but the F-35B would have used DAS and AMRAAm to have splashed the J-15 way before then.
I hope that Chinese military leaders are not that stupid to try this tactic you suggest!




Are you really an accountant as your handle seems to suggest?

Do you have any idea what the logistic issues would be of refuelling a J-20 2-3000kms away from the Chinese mainland.
To get an idea of what this may mean please study the below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck

Chinese strategic bombers are the 120 H-6s.
Yes they have the range and the weaponry but how would they know where to launch their missiles at as China would either need sub tracking or air tracking of the UK fleet? The UK would control both the air and under the surface and so not possible. Satellites are not enough by themselves as they cannot give realtime information since they pass by in orbit.

This one is the most ridiculous in your postlol:

"Do you really think that UK has any chance of even defending its mainland in one on one against China ?"

Even the USN would take 1 year to defeat the UK and that is with USAF help - US mainland is only 5000kms from UK but China is more than 10000km away and it is not a straight line over ocean like from USA to UK.

How will China even hope to fuel and resupply it's fleet from so far away?
There are a few choke points where the Chinese supply convoy would have to pass through - UK SSNs would be waiting to hunt them down at these locations.

Also how would the PLAN airforce of just 30-40 J-15s cope with 150 Euro-fighters armed with the deadly Meteor missile and guided by the full-size AWACs that UK has on the mainland?

LMAO... All empty claim without any support...
All our submarines can be around our fleet either for attack or for defense. Type 056 as well... Don't you know we have 10 huge replenishment ships and overseas military bases and harbors all around?? BTW, your carriers are slow azz as well, less than 25 knot... LMAO...
And we DO NOT accept future tense here...As you said about our J20s. You are a joke full of B.S..
Do not bring those shxt still under testing...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPEAR_3
And let me tell you 'for free' here, your do not have 18 F35B ready, you have ZERO ready for real maritime battle operation... You even only have 2 or 3 barely able to land on your carrier:
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/uk-...nd-on-hms-queen-elizabeth-for-the-first-time/
@me when you have at least a dozen ready and post the link or post the picture of these planes on your carrier then continue your B.S., otherwise, go masturbate with your we dream instead of waste my time here...

And I told you our radar on our ships can guide our J15s in addition to guide the SAMs as a bonus.
For now, our J15s will gang rape all your ships at the first day of operation. You have zero F35 in operation. Even if you have few, they will be gang raped by our missiles from our 100s ships and our J15s guided by our ships. Our J15s will be guided toward your slow clumsy few little F35 and shoot them down in minutes, as you fire your 70 km missiles (should be <50 km range in real operation), you only has <50% accuracy, while within one minute, our 30X numbers of J15s will get within the range to shoot every single fatty slow clumsy F35s down...And do not forget, all our J15s are equipped with IRST which can accurately track every move of F35s upto 100 km, and guide the missile to show them down.....And all this are based on the assumption that you have at least a few F35s, but in reality, you have ZERO in operation... You still have to wait for 1 year or 2... But again, we do not accept future tense here... And all these are our bonus, for you have no answer of our anti ship missiles, neither you have answer to our ASBMs, which will kill your carriers in minutes... Your anti-ship missile has no answer to our SAMs, your subs have no answer to been gang raped...

Next time, be more honest, do not waste my time with all your fake claim B.S. without any support.

 

[UKBengali]

LMAO... All empty claim without any support...
All our submarines can be around our fleet either for attack or for defense. Type 056 as well... BTW, your carriers are slow azz as well, less than 25 knot... LMAO...
And we DO NOT accept future tense here...As you said about our J20s. You are a joke full of B.S..
Do not bring those shxt still under testing...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPEAR_3
And let me tell you 'for free' here, your do not have 18 F35B ready, you have ZERO ready for real maritime battle operation... You even only have 2 or 3 barely able to land on your carrier:
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/uk-...nd-on-hms-queen-elizabeth-for-the-first-time/
@me when you have at least a dozen ready and post the link or post the picture of these planes on your carrier then continue your B.S., otherwise, go masturbate with your we dream instead of waste my time here...

And I told you our radar on our ships can guide our J15s in addition to guide the SAMs as a bonus.
For now, our J15s will gang rape all your ships at the first day of operation. But this are all our bonus, for you have no answer of our anti ship missiles, neither you have answer to our ASBMs, which will kill your carriers in minutes... Your anti-ship missile has no answer to our SAMs, your subs have no answer to been gang raped...

Next time, be more honest, do not waste my time with all your fake claim B.S. without any support.

No real logic or military analysis in above post.

Just Chinese fanboy nationalism I see.



At least you are better than that Pakistani guy who thinks PLAN can invade UK lol

 

[Kai Liu]

No real logic or military analysis in above post.

Just Chinese fanboy nationalism I see.



At least you are better than that Pakistani guy who thinks PLAN can invade UK lol

Haha, you joke now knows you have ZERO F35s in battle operation, therefore can not continue your B.S....
What a joke pathetic Bangladesh bumpkin...
Just waste my time...

 

[UKBengali]

Haha, you joke now knows you have ZERO F35s in battle operation, therefore can not continue your B.S....
What a joke pathetic Bangladesh bumpkin...
Just waste my time...

Nope you are just too blinded with nationalism and do not have enough technical knowledge to even debate properly.

The reason for my replies was to teach other neutral posters as you and most other Chinese pdf posters are a lost cause.

PS - Do you agree with @The Accountant that PLAN can invade UK?

 

[Viet]

I am unable to find the original research paper however here is an article describing the device that is capable of measuring a single phonon

https://interestingengineering.com/...e-that-can-measure-individual-sound-particles

Furthermore, there is no argument that USA is way ahead in defence tech in comparison to China. And in a equally favorable battle ground China stand no chance against US military technology and war machine but China is strong enough that now USA cannot attack China mainland without taking a heavy blow itself and most probably will loose.

No matter how strong you are but in actual battlefield logistics is the most cruicial factor. Even a country like Afghanistan could not be truly captured despite using daisy cutters. In case of China, how can USA attack, by using its 6 of 11 super carrier or may be from military bases in Japan, South Korea and Central Asia. Even in that case China's mainland has its own miliatry industrial base and has quantity on its side. No matter what how advance F35s are the can carry operations from the carrier only which is limited is spares and fuel and cannot guard the air 24/7 on the other hand China's mainland can attack these carrier at will and can really take a hit due to huge numeric superiority (in case of attack on Chinese Mainland).

In short, Chinese military power despite of being inferior to USA has surpassed the threshold where it can be invaded by any country alone. The only scenario where China can be invaded is by involvement of NATO which is highly unlikely.

The chinese’ vulnerability is the sea. We need to cut them off from oil, foods, energy supplies. Best way to do is imposing a total sea blockade by submarines.

First thing, Vietnam knacks the Pla’s military code, so we know their plans of attacks in advance.

Vietnam launching preemptive strike, with the first aircraft carrier the Laoning as target. Japan, Korea and India submarines join in to sink chinese merchant vessels.
Chinese economy coming to a standstill. The PLA launching series of attacks on Japan and Vietnam at sea and land.

Vietnam land based Yakhont targeting and disabling chinese destroyers, second missile attack sink the chinese invasion fleet in the battle.

Vietnam’s ultimate goal, drawing the US into the war with nuclear exchanges. At the end everyone is dead.

you can read the scenario in the novel:

Shattered Trident (Jerry Mitchell Series Book 4)

 

[Kai Liu]

Nope you are just too blinded with nationalism and do not have enough technical knowledge to even debate properly.

The reason for my replies was to teach other neutral posters as you and most other Chinese pdf posters are a lost cause.

PS - Do you agree with @The Accountant that PLAN can invade UK?

Overall, China's military strength is 5 times stronger than your master take everything into consideration (army, navy, air force, strategic missiles... etc. etc..), but real wars are more complicated... And do not switch topic, as every powers with thermal nuclear megatons are not going to full scale war with each other, it mean the finish of planet earth. But for your tiny shitty country Bangladesh, you can get your azz spanked anytime... BTW, enough such imagined stupid topic with a joke from Bangladesh who never provide any support to his argument with links or reference, but lie all around... Do not pretend to be an expert because you are from a backward shitty country knows nothing about either big power strategy or defense tech but lying all the way with your fake claims and get exposed by me with links and references:
#1 you have ZERO F35 in maritime combat operation,
#2 you have ZERO 'SPEAR 3' in operation,
#3 you have few little F23s with Sea Ceptor as oppose to your B.S. claim...
#4 your carriers are slow azz only go 25 knot... instead of your B.S. claim...
And there are more...

Nationalism and pride, sure, why not? Better than you dishonest boy from your shitty land licking your master so hard with lies... LMAO...

The chinese’ vulnerability is the sea. We need to cut them off from oil, foods, energy supplies. Best way to do is imposing a total sea blockade by submarines.

First thing, Vietnam knacks the Pla’s military code, so we know their plans of attacks in advance.

Vietnam launching preemptive strike, with the first aircraft carrier the Laoning as target. Japan, Korea and India submarines join in to sink chinese merchant vessels.
Chinese economy coming to a standstill. The PLA launching series of attacks on Japan and Vietnam at sea and land.

Vietnam land based Yakhont targeting and disabling chinese destroyers, second missile attack sink the chinese invasion fleet in the battle.

Vietnam’s ultimate goal, drawing the US into the war with nuclear exchanges. At the end everyone is dead.

you can read the scenario in the novel:

Shattered Trident (Jerry Mitchell Series Book 4)

Now go fuxk yourself with your big dildo and continue your little boy's wet dream...

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Overall, China's military strength is 5 times stronger than your master take everything into consideration (army, navy, air force, strategic missiles... etc. etc..), but real wars are more complicated... And do not switch topic, as every powers with thermal nuclear megatons are not going to full scale war with each other, it mean the finish of planet earth. But for your tiny shitty country Bangladesh, you can get your azz spanked anytime... BTW, enough such imagined stupid topic with a joke from Bangladesh who never provide any support to his argument with links or reference, but lie all around... Do not pretend to be an expert because you are from a backward shitty country knows nothing about either big power strategy or defense tech but lying all the way with your fake claims and get exposed by me with links and references:
#1 you have ZERO F35 in maritime combat operation,
#2 you have ZERO 'SPEAR 3' in operation,
#3 you have few little F23s with Sea Ceptor as oppose to your B.S. claim...
#4 your carriers are slow azz only go 25 knot... instead of your B.S. claim...
And there are more...

Nationalism and pride, sure, why not? Better than you dishonest boy from your shitty land licking your master so hard with lies... LMAO...



Now go fuxk yourself with your big dildo and have a nice little boy's wet dream...

well, the Bangladeshi navy just got mightier- with China's benevolence.

https://www.janes.com/article/93346/china-hands-over-two-ex-plan-frigates-to-bangladesh-navy


these ships are capable of taking out their potential enemy's ships who surround them on almost all sides, save for the sea to the south and Myanmar to the south east.

 

[Viet]

Now go fuxk yourself with your big dildo and continue your little boy's wet dream...

Why laughing?

If you don’t change your aggressiv rhetoric because your action will bring your thousands years chinese civilization one step closer to an armagedon.

Vietnam will fight until the bitter end.

I recommend you to read the novel.

http://www.librarything.com/work/13649956/reviews/104963400

 

[Kai Liu]

Why laughing?

If you don’t change your aggressiv rhetoric that will bring China closer to an armagedon in one day.

Vietnam will fight until the bitter end.

I recommend you to read the novel.

http://www.librarything.com/work/13649956/reviews/104963400

Why bla bla so much about your sweet dream? Your little shitty want to mess up with us? The first thing is to wipe you out of the map...

 

[Viet]

Why bla bla so much about your sweet dream? Your little shitty want to mess up with us? The first thing is to wipe you out of the map...

It’s you with bla bla!
If not nuclear exchange, the PLA is too weak to beat us in open battles. Pls learn from your forfarthers, the Qin, the Han, the Song, Yuan, Ming, Qing and communist Deng.

 

[Kai Liu]

It’s you with bla bla!
If not nuclear exchange, the PLA is too weak to beat us in open battles. Pls learn from your forfarthers, the Qin, the Han, the Song, Yuan, Ming, Qing and communist Deng.

You are too strong, I mean, emotionally, for being our slaves and burned to ashes for the past 2000 years...

 

[Viet]

You are too strong, I mean, emotionally, for being our slaves and burned to ashes for the past 2000 years...

1,000 years not 2,000
Being vassal doesn’t mean we are slave! Every year (or once in every two years) we bring gifts to the emperor and his concubines. Then we say he is the greatest in this universe. That’s all. That is the prize for a peace treaty with China. Pls educate yourself, read your history.

 

[Kai Liu]

1,000 years not 2,000
Being vassal doesn’t mean we are slave! Every year (or once in every two years) we bring gifts to the emperor and his concubines. Pls educate yourself.

So you lick our azz for another 1000 years...