China to get S-400 from russia in 2017

[BoQ77]

There are still many SAM battalions deploying old missiles like HQ-2, some of these are deployed fro defence of Beijing. Even though these HQ-2 missiles have been modernised, they are still old liquid fuel designs which need time to fill the fuel before it can be fired. These need replacement ASAP by all means. This is where both HQ-9 and S-400 system comes in.

Difference of S-400 and HQ-9 is that S-400 is a missile system deploying a few different types of missiles with different range - long range/medium range/ short range, under a single command centre, while HQ-9 is a single type missile system.

Since S-400 system R & D is partly finance by China, there is no reason not to buy them. And also why not take possession of finished missile system and study them for future development of Chinese SAMs, after all having paid for the R & D money China should use the technology for current and future development.

it is weird that some argue that this is fake deal, others said that is real and even further to jointly develop.
to be frank, this is the first time I heard about China payment for developing S400. any source for this? I guess None.

 

[Kurlang]

China to Receive First S-400 Systems In 2016


MOSCOW: First supplies of S-400 Triumph long-range anti-aircraft missile systems to China are planned no earlier than in a year or a year-and-a-half, a source from the Russian system of military-technical cooperation told Tass on Thursday.

“Supplies are planned no earlier than in a year, or more likely, in a year-and-a-half,” the source said. The signing of a contract for the supply of S-400 to Beijing was officially announced in the spring of 2015.

“I would not disclose the contract details, but yes, China has indeed become the first buyer of the Russian newest air defence system, which only emphasizes the strategic level of our relations,” Director General of arms exporter Rosoboronexport Anatoly Isaykin said in April.

It became known later that India was planning to purchase 12 S-400 air defense missile systems.

The S-400 Triumph is a Russian-made long-and medium-range antiaircraft missile system designed to destroy all modern and advanced aerospace targets at a distance of up to 400 kilometers (248.5 miles).

The S-400 Triumph (NATO reporting name: SA-21 Growler) was developed as an upgrade of the S-300 series of surface-to-air missile systems. The system entered service in April 2007 and the first S-400 was deployed in combat in August 2007. Russia set up four S-400 regiments defending national airspace in the Moscow region, the Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad, and the Eastern Military District.

 

[libertycall]

China has deployed the powerful HQ-9 air and missile defense system to Woody Island—also known as Yongxing—in the Parcel archipelago, marking a new level of escalation in Beijing’s quest to control the South China Sea. The disputed island—which has been inhabited by about 1,000 Chinese citizens since 1956—is also claimed by Vietnam and Taiwan.

The addition of the HQ-9—which was first reported by Fox News on February 17—would greatly increase the People’s Liberation Army’s air defense capabilities in the region. Like the Russian-made Almaz Antey S-300 air defense system, the HQ-9 has the ability to render vast swaths of territory into virtual no-fly zones. Only the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor, F-35 Joint Strike Fighter and Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit stealth bomber can safely operate in the vicinity of an HQ-9 for any length of time.

Like the S-300P—on which it was partially based—the HQ-9 has a range of roughly 120 miles and can engage targets flying at 90,000ft. However, there are significant differences between the Russian and Chinese systems. Indeed, according to the Claremont and George C. Marshall Institute’s Missile Threat project, the Chinese system incorporates technology from the U.S. Patriot missile defense system. Further, some sources suggest that the HQ-9—unlike its American and Russian contemporaries—uses active electronically scanned array radar technology.

According to Missile Threat, the Chinese developed much of the HQ-9’s technology from a Patriot battery Beijing acquired from Israel. As such, it is possible that the HQ-9’s guidance system is modeled on the Patriot’s. Which means that the HQ-9 might use the Patriot’s “track-via-missile” guidance system—allowing the HQ-9 interceptor to fly directly at an incoming missile. The HQ-9—like the Patriot—would either explode as it nears the target or directly hit the incoming missile. Either way, the incoming target is either destroyed or knocked off its trajectory.

The HQ-9 is competitive with Russian and American air defense systems—indeed, NATO member Turkey had intended to purchase a variant of the weapon until the deal eventually fell through late in 2015. However, the very fact that the HQ-9 could compete for an international missile tender against American, Russian and European systems—and win—is an indication of just how capable the Chinese weapon is.

Look Out, America: China's Missile Deployment Is Only the Beginning | The National Interest Blog

 

[C130]

China is buying the S-400 so that should answer your question.

 

[libertycall]

China is buying the S-400 so that should answer your question.

Is that because the S-400 system is superior in all aspects or superior in some but not all aspects?

 

[C130]

Is that because the S-400 system is superior in all aspects or superior in some but not all aspects?

I can't speak for it's anti-missile capability, but everything else is superior.

S-500 in development is to improve that

 

[madmusti]

HQ-9 = S-300 Copy nothing else so S-400 and above should be better - those are facts !

 

[libertycall]

HQ-9 = S-300 Copy nothing else so S-400 and above should be better - those are facts !

But the HQ-9 uses AESA radar unlike the S-400?

 

[nik141993]

But the HQ-9 uses AESA radar unlike the S-400?

Who told you S 400 don't use AESA

 

[libertycall]

Who told you S 400 don't use AESA

Unlike the PESA radars of the US MIM-104 Patriot/Russian S-300/S-400 systems, the HQ-9 uses a state-of-the-art AESA radar. The naval HQ-9 appears to be identical to the land-based variant. Its naval type HHQ-9 is equipped in the PLAN Type 052C Lanzhou class destroyer in VLS launch tubes.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HQ-9#cite_note-SinoNavHQ9-7

HQ-9 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[nik141993]

HQ-9 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here read the whole article carefully

S-400 (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[libertycall]

Here read the whole article carefully

S-400 (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It doesn't mention AESA.

 

[cerberus]

HQ-9 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Пять преимуществ С-400 над Patriot — Антон Валагин — Российская газета

 

[libertycall]

Пять преимуществ С-400 над Patriot — Антон Валагин — Российская газета

Sorry, I can't read Cyrillic, or understand Russian even if I could.

 

[nik141993]

Sorry, I can't read Cyrillic, or understand Russian even if I could.

Search properly start with nebo m VHF radar