China to get S-400 from russia in 2017

[IronsightSniper]

Russia needs the S-400 SAM. Everyone else just wants it for their own selfish needs.

 

[Hafizzz]

Why china is importing from Russia despite of all made in china claims???????

few days back there was news that china is importing second hand planes from Russia.

china spends about 4 times more on defense then India still so much of imports.

Isn't India doing the same

Exactly. But India list all the imports as "indigenous" whereas China is accused of copying !

 

[Akasa]

The Mig-19, Mig-21 and SU-27 were copied. Today, the SU-27...aka J-11 has changed so much that it is basically an indigenous fighter except for the external appearance. The Kilo, destroyers and most missiles are indigenous. Anybody can argue that so and so component is derived from a foreign design. The reality is, every development is based on something before it and doesn't make them copies. The only things that can realistically be described as copies are licensed copies or stolen blueprints. I still find the claims of the J-10 being a copy of the Lavi ridiculous, especially given that China was already developing the J-9, a delta canard design, for over 10 years prior and that the Lavi is significantly smaller, was never completed, and whose direct involvement with the J-10 was never definitively proven unless you consider a bunch of unsubstantiated claims from unofficial accounts as proof.

You've finally said what I've been trying to tell others for the past 10000 posts

Seriously, we have started to master the much more advanced MKV technology, and S-400 is nothing, but a primitive toy compared to this.

Buying a sample of S-400 for the studying purpose is not a bad idea either, just like how US has bought few Su-27 from Ukraine also for studying.

was there a rumor that a HQ-26 was being built?

HQ 9 has limited anti ballistic missile capability unlike S 400 so what's the point of buying S400 for just comparing what HQ9 is not
having

both are missiles designed to engage planes and relatively medium altitude missiles, so no, the s-400 will not be a wondrously better abm

 

[Pakistanisage]

Russia should sell S-400 to china and let them produce S-400 under license.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Russia should sell S-400 to china and let them produce S-400 under license.

China already has something comparable.

HQ-19 (S-400) (China) - Jane's Strategic Weapon Systems

Now China is working on the next-gen SAM, and S400 is simply not our cup of tea.

was there a rumor that a HQ-26 was being built?

Not sure, but it is confirmed that the next-gen SAM gonna be revealed soon.

BTW, i just wonder when those rumors of China gonna buy this and that is going to die out.

The Russians have overestimated their 1980s technology too much.

 

[Akasa]

China already has something comparable.

HQ-19 (S-400) (China) - Jane's Strategic Weapon Systems

Now China is working on the next-gen SAM, and S400 is simply not our cup of tea.



Not sure, but it is confirmed that the next-gen SAM gonna be revealed soon.

BTW, i just wonder when those rumors of China gonna buy this and that is going to die out.

The Russians have overestimated their 1980s technology too much.

hopefully the next generation missile will be like the standard missile 3

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Seriously, we have started to master the much more advanced MKV technology, and S-400 is nothing, but a primitive toy compared to this.

Buying a sample of S-400 for the studying purpose is not a bad idea either, just like how US has bought few Su-27 from Ukraine also for studying.

We don't need to improve the S-300, since we already have the HQ-9.

Don't get me wrong, HQ-15 is an exact copy of S-300, but HQ-9 is a new SAM incorporating with some S-300 features.

And they still mention the S-400, eh? China already rejected this offer since 2007.

Remember the Russian media also claimed that China wants to buy the monkey version of Su-35, so has this turned out to be true or not?

This is what the Chinese said, after they have finished copying the weapons, fighters from Russia.
Imagine, What did China make if without the help of former Soviet and if China does not copy from Russia today?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

This is what the Chinese said, after they have finished copying the weapons, fighters from Russia.
Imagine, What did China make if without the help of former Soviet and if China does not copy from Russia today?

Well, our top tier technology has nothing to do with Russia.

For example, J-20 and midcourse interception.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

In my opinion, just as Su-35 contract, Russians will require China to accept a clause "committed not to copy in any way". And it is too difficult to terms with Chinese, because their purpose is to buy some, then removable, copy, produce many copy, and then sell....

Well, our top tier technology has nothing to do with Russia.

For example, J-20 and midcourse interception.

At least you should not deny they have laid the foundation for you

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

In my opinion, just as Su-35 contract, Russians will require China to accept a clause "committed not to copy in any way". And it is too difficult to terms with Chinese, because their purpose is to buy some, then removable, copy, produce many copy, and then sell....


At least you should not deny they have laid the foundation for you

USSR was no doubt our former mentor, they have laid a good foundation for our military complex industry.

But does this mean the student cannot challenge the teacher? Russians were once the student of the Western Europeans as well.

Also Russia sold us the weapons during the 1990s, and it indeed helped us to speed up our military modernization, but the price of their weapons wasn't cheap either, and we did pay a higher to acquire their weapons compared to India.

PS, China never intended to buy any unit of SU-35, Russia always uses us an excuse to promote their weapons.

 

[terranMarine]

That's right, all Chinese who know a lot about Chinese military stuffs know exactly that we got help from SU. So yes we never denied that. China invented gunpowder and we laid the foundation for the Western countries.

 

[senheiser]

Seriously, we have started to master the much more advanced MKV technology, and S-400 is nothing, but a primitive toy compared to this.

Buying a sample of S-400 for the studying purpose is not a bad idea either, just like how US has bought few Su-27 from Ukraine also for studying.

what does your china have?? Some copied inferior s300s, chinese army is very weak uk is even stronger than china.

This thread began with an Indian posted Russo self-talking article. The Russians like to talk about how popular their toys are and how other people are interested to buy them.

We all know that China won't buying any IL-476 for sure. As for S-400, if the price is ok it's no harm buying one or two for study or research.

china already operates 17 IL-476so they bought, russia wont sell s400 to china just as they didnt sell su35 to china

that's fine. i'm sure GLONASS is also not as good as GPS, because of US's 20 year head start on this, but only 3 countries in the world have an independent global positioning system right now.

not its only two glonass and gps

china hasnt its system ready

the trend is that future Russian weapon building industry will be in Chinese hands.

the trend is that future European weapon building industry will be in Russian hands.

mistral cough cough

 

[Beast]

what does your china have?? Some copied inferior s300s, chinese army is very weak uk is even stronger than china.

2010 Chinese anti-ballistic missile test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The People's Republic of China carried out a land-based high-altitude anti-ballistic missile test on 11 January 2010.This reportedly made China the second country in the world after the United States of America to successfully destroy an incoming missile beyond the Earth's atmosphere

An ABM mid course interception missile can never be a copy of S-300. Becos, S-300 is never intended to fly few hundred kilometre up the sky and not to mention pass atmosphere into space to intercept the BM.

Not to mention , the killing method is kinetic impact which is the most advance unlike proximity fuse. US ABM too deploy the kinetic kill for their ABM as oppose to proximity fuse.

China air defence can be claimed to be more superior than the Russian.

 

[senheiser]

2010 Chinese anti-ballistic missile test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



An ABM mid course interception missile can never be a copy of S-300. Becos, S-300 is never intended to fly few hundred kilometre up the sky and not to mention pass atmosphere into space to intercept the BM.

Not to mention , the killing method is kinetic impact which is the most advance unlike proximity fuse. US ABM too deploy the kinetic kill for their ABM as oppose to proximity fuse.

China air defence can be claimed to be more superior than the Russian.

Russia can this too

 

[Beast]

Russia can this too

Hahaha.. Talk is cheap! Shoot one down before you say 'CAN'

Russia is declining. That is a true fact. Good thing is Putin know who is the rising star and who to cling to , to stay in touch wit reality..