China to get S-400 from russia in 2017

[PERSIAN GOD KING]

^^
good point, but what to say russia will sell you the "accepted as sound" version? they will give you an extremelly downgraded version. dont trust them. china is capable of making its own.

 

[oct605032048]

This thread began with an Indian posted Russo self-talking article. The Russians like to talk about how popular their toys are and how other people are interested to buy them.

We all know that China won't buying any IL-476 for sure. As for S-400, if the price is ok it's no harm buying one or two for study or research.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Seriously, we have started to master the much more advanced MKV technology, and S-400 is nothing, but a primitive toy compared to this.

Buying a sample of S-400 for the studying purpose is not a bad idea either, just like how US has bought few Su-27 from Ukraine also for studying.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Anybody who wants to buy the S-400 will have to wait until 2017 at the very least, because all current S-400 production is for the Russian Military, and the export version will no doubt be a downgraded.

Anyway by 2017, S-500 will be ready so who cares

No problem..but just don't miss the window of opportunity..we can wait but ask yourself if S-400 will still be relevant defense system for 2017...which 5 years aways..and with you drown grade version, China will probably improve and enhance the S-300 version...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

No problem..but just don't miss the window of opportunity..we can wait but ask yourself if S-400 will still be relevant defense system for 2017...which 5 years aways..and with you drown grade version, China will probably improve and enhance the S-300 version...

We don't need to improve the S-300, since we already have the HQ-9.

Don't get me wrong, HQ-15 is an exact copy of S-300, but HQ-9 is a new SAM incorporating with some S-300 features.

And they still mention the S-400, eh? China already rejected this offer since 2007.

Remember the Russian media also claimed that China wants to buy the monkey version of Su-35, so has this turned out to be true or not?

 

[ptldM3]

Seriously, we have started to master the much more advanced MKV technology, and S-400 is nothing, but a primitive toy compared to this.
Buying a sample of S-400 for the studying purpose is not a bad idea either, just like how US has bought few Su-27 from Ukraine also for studying.

Do you ever contribute anything meaningful or technical? What is the hit probability of the MKV? Can it engage low flying targets? (likely not). Can it be quickly deployed? Can it engage multiple targets? Is it maneuverable? Does it have ECM?

The MKV is built to knock out satellites and this is it. The S-300/400 is built to shoot down aircraft/cruise missiles. The MKV would be worthless at shooting down aircraft and the S-400 would be worthless at shooting down satellites.

The S-300/400 systems can engage highly maneuverable, highly fast and very small targets at any altitude. Both systems can be quickly deployed within minutes (crucial). Both systems can manage a battlefield by tracking anywhere from 100-300 targets, both systems have a data-link network which makes it very difficult to kill or jam.

In any the anti satellite weapons take meticulous planning which could last days, weeks or even months before the right window of opportunity is there which includes whether and vector timing--not to mention orbital launches are often delayed for a number of technical reasons.

The MKV is a highly specialized weapond, it would not be able to engage, for instance, low level targets.

Remember the Russian media also claimed that China wants to buy the monkey version of Su-35, so has this turned out to be true or not?

How is that when even the Russian Air Force is still testing them. Moreover, from what I have read China was interested in engines and avionics and not purchasing

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Do you ever contribute anything meaningful or technical? What is the hit probability of the MKV? Can it engage low flying targets? (likely not). Can it be quickly deployed? Can it engage multiple targets? Is it maneuverable? Does it have ECM?

The MKV is built to knock out satellites and this is it. The S-300/400 is built to shoot down aircraft/cruise missiles. The MKV would be worthless at shooting down aircraft and the S-400 would be worthless at shooting down satellites.

The S-300/400 systems can engage highly maneuverable, highly fast and very small targets at any altitude. Both systems can be quickly deployed within minutes (crucial). Both systems can manage a battlefield by tracking anywhere from 100-300 targets, both systems have a data-link network which makes it very difficult to kill or jam.

In any the anti satellite weapons take meticulous planning which could last days, weeks or even months before the right window of opportunity is there which includes whether and vector timing--not to mention orbital launches are often delayed for a number of technical reasons.

The MKV is a highly specialized weapond, it would not be able to engage, for instance, low level targets.












How is that when even the Russian Air Force is still testing them. Moreover, from what I have read China was interested in engines and avionics and not purchasing

Of course, they have different specialization. However, knocking down a satellite or an ICBM at the exoatmosphere level is a much more impressive feat than shooting down an aicraft or intercepting a subsonic cruise missile.

Do we really need the S-400?

Heck, this is like saying we can build the nuclear supercarrier, while we can't build a tiny frigate.

 

[marshall]

As for S-400, if the price is ok it's no harm buying one or two for study or research.

China has now reached a level of technological proficiency where they only need to improve individual components rather than entire systems. It's doubtful Russia will ever sell 2 of anything to China anymore because unlike 20 years ago where the entire world was certain China couldn't figure out the advanced technologies being sold to them...today, China can basically figure out anything in record time and release an improved version of it to boot. If the S-400 is sold to China, it will be a more downgraded version than Russia would sell to India or any other country while requiring hundreds to be ordered because if they don't do this, China would come out with a more advanced version and become Russia's market competitor and Russia will not have made that much money anyways since China only needs a handful of samples to learn everything they need to learn.

 

[ptldM3]

Of course, they have different specialization. However, knocking down a satellite or an ICBM at the exoatmosphere level is a much more impressive feat than shooting down an aicraft or intercepting a subsonic cruise missile.

Do we really need the S-400?

Heck, this is like saying we can build the nuclear supercarrier, while we can't build a tiny frigate.

You have to know of and locate a satellite in order to destroy it and that is a tall order. Furthermore, knocking out something like a GPS satellite would be foolish beyond words considering China also depends on GPS. As do many other nations and for military purposes.

And China has nothing operational that can destroy ICBM’s at the “exoatmosphere level”.

But you are welcome to believe that the S-400 is outdated crap--comments like that are expected from you.

 

[Bratva]

You have to know of and locate a satellite in order to destroy it and that is a tall order. Furthermore, knocking out something like a GPS satellite would be foolish beyond words considering China also depends on GPS. As do many other nations and for military purposes.

And China has nothing operational that can destroy ICBM’s at the “exoatmosphere level”.

But you are welcome to believe that the S-400 is outdated crap--comments like that are expected from you.

What's the defense of S-300/400 against High speed anti radiation missiles? Do S-300/400 deploy Chaff and other counter measures?

 

[Kompromat]

HQ-19 = S-400 Joint R&D. Program is already active.

 

[nomi007]

china also attempt to stolen the western missiles
The Mystery Missiles In Finland

 

[SinoChallenger]

You have to know of and locate a satellite in order to destroy it and that is a tall order. Furthermore, knocking out something like a GPS satellite would be foolish beyond words considering China also depends on GPS. As do many other nations and for military purposes.

And China has nothing operational that can destroy ICBM’s at the “exoatmosphere level”.

But you are welcome to believe that the S-400 is outdated crap--comments like that are expected from you.

Satellites follow fixed orbits and are easily tracked via ground stations. You can actually find the precise location of all satellites in real time from public sources.

China has Beidou GPS system, we don't use the US one, because our is more advanced by one generation. We already have Asian covered under Beidou, and within a few years the rest of the world. It's already being made commercial available to Chinese private sector.

 

[xizhimen]

the trend is that future Russian weapon building industry will be in Chinese hands.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You have to know of and locate a satellite in order to destroy it and that is a tall order. Furthermore, knocking out something like a GPS satellite would be foolish beyond words considering China also depends on GPS. As do many other nations and for military purposes.

And China has nothing operational that can destroy ICBM’s at the “exoatmosphere level”.

But you are welcome to believe that the S-400 is outdated crap--comments like that are expected from you.

Still, we have performed the ICBM interception just 2 years ago, while Russia hasn't done anything comparable to this feat.

It would be foolish to believe that we need to copy the S-400.