China to buy S-500 missile system from Russia? It was tempting but it will put a hindrance in international law

[Beny Karachun]

lock n fire? I guess all those missile air defence schools around the world put their troops through months and months of playing patty cake..

your telling me everyone is naive and your just alright? is it naivity on everyone's part or is it arrogance on your part. answer is very obvious.

I have friends that serve in the Iron Dome air defense systems.

No amount of training will make your missile hit better, the whole firing process is fully automatic, the training is entirely comprised of relocating the missile battery, reloading it, identifying friends from foes and counter-SEAD training.

So when the Syrians launch tens of S-200 missiles at our jets they've already done the best they could and whether the missiles will hit or not has nothing to do with the amount of training they do.

The real difficult "air defense school" are for the ones developing the air defenses and for the technicians which is totally separate.

But again, considering that the Syrians are launching tens of missiles each strike mission, shows that there's no technical problems they face.

Syrian air defense crews are actually more experienced than Russian ones, the whole "Israel won because Arabs are dumb" agenda the Russians are trying to push is to defend their equipments name, they said the same about MiG21s, that Arab pilots were bad and that's why we're winning, and then we beat up 5 Soviet piloted MiG21s without losses.
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It's funny how you all have 0 military experience and even closeness and you think you know more lol

 

[GumNaam]

I have friends that serve in the Iron Dome air defense systems.

No amount of training will make your missile hit better, the whole firing process is fully automatic, the training is entirely comprised of relocating the missile battery, reloading it, identifying friends from foes and counter-SEAD training.

So when the Syrians launch tens of S-200 missiles at our jets they've already done the best they could and whether the missiles will hit or not has nothing to do with the amount of training they do.

The real difficult "air defense school" are for the ones developing the air defenses and for the technicians which is totally separate.

But again, considering that the Syrians are launching tens of missiles each strike mission, shows that there's no technical problems they face.

Syrian air defense crews are actually more experienced than Russian ones, the whole "Israel won because Arabs are dumb" agenda the Russians are trying to push is to defend their equipments name, they said the same about MiG21s, that Arab pilots were bad and that's why we're winning, and then we beat up 5 Soviet piloted MiG21s without losses.
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It's funny how you all have 0 military experience and even closeness and you think you know more lol

so your claim is based on "personal" experience of your friends, aye? then you just the nerve to criticize those on this forum who claim the same thing!

as for the soviet pilots that you shot, it was 16 vs 24. well PAF shot down 5 indian hunter aircrafts and that too, single handedly. does that mean that british aircraft suck? no. just bad pilots. if the egyptian pilots were poorly trained, well guess who was training them? and by the way, PAF pilots flying arab migs and hunters have shot down almost a dozen isreali pilots flying both in american & french aircraft with 0 losses of our own Alhumdulillah. so is it that american and french aircraft suck in comparison to soviet & british built aircrafts or do the isreali pilots just suck? take your pick.

 

[Cheepek]

Meanwhile...

https://tass.com/defense/1374827

 

[Beny Karachun]

so your claim is based on "personal" experience of your friends, aye? then you just the nerve to criticize those on this forum who claim the same thing!

as for the soviet pilots that you shot, it was 16 vs 24. well PAF shot down 5 indian hunter aircrafts and that too, single handedly. does that mean that british aircraft suck? no. just bad pilots. if the egyptian pilots were poorly trained, well guess who was training them? and by the way, PAF pilots flying arab migs and hunters have shot down almost a dozen isreali pilots flying both in american & french aircraft with 0 losses of our own Alhumdulillah. so is it that american and french aircraft suck in comparison to soviet & british built aircrafts or do the isreali pilots just suck? take your pick.

You don't get me. I have my own personal experience in the military, but I had nothing to do with air defenses. What I meant that barely anyone here has any real relation to the military.


Some of my friends served in air defense units and they told me about their training, and it's generally the same for any air defense.

16 Israeli vs 24 Russian, Israel won.

You can keep telling yourselves fairy tales about false victories.

Anyways, you didn't get my point here either. What I'm saying is the Russians aren't any better than the Arabs, the "Arabs are dumb" argument was made by Russia to make excuses on why their equipment failed against Israel.

It's not necessarily because it's bad, it's just worse than the sum of the skill of Israeli pilots and the quality of its equipment.

 

[GumNaam]

You don't get me. I have my own personal experience in the military, but I had nothing to do with air defenses. What I meant that barely anyone here has any real relation to the military.


Some of my friends served in air defense units and they told me about their training, and it's generally the same for any air defense.

16 Israeli vs 24 Russian, Israel won.

You can keep telling yourselves fairy tales about false victories.

Anyways, you didn't get my point here either. What I'm saying is the Russians aren't any better than the Arabs, the "Arabs are dumb" argument was made by Russia to make excuses on why their equipment failed against Israel.

It's not necessarily because it's bad, it's just worse than the sum of the skill of Israeli pilots and the quality of its equipment.

if you consider them as fairy tails about false victories then that's you, doesn't change the fact that your boys were shot down by our boys and this trophy doesn't lie either...

and nor does this link lie...

Palestinians mourn death of a Bangladeshi war hero

During the 1967 Six-Day War, Saiful Azam became the only fighter pilot to have downed four Israeli aircraft.

www.aljazeera.com

u
the usaf didn't call him the living eagle for morning, are they lying as well?

you seem to miss my point that if our boys in russian made aircrafts can defeat your boys in american and french aircrafts, then perhaps the problem isn't the equipment, perhaps the problem who is operating the equipment, be he Arab or Russian or israeli...

 

[FuturePAF]

What happened to the Chinese HQ19 and HQ29? Aren’t they good enough?

With the S-500 in hand the Chinese can develop counters to the system, and perhaps the Russians can e up with something the Chinese can integrate into their systems.