China Squashes Attempted Tunisia-Style Revolt the JASMINE REVOLUTION

[CardSharp]

The birds in the golden cage are proud they have a golden cage and laugh at the free birds flying in the sky saying look u have no home but trees...

Oh man that is so deep.....

 

[casual]

it's always your choice what to choose what not to all i want is tolerance towards criticism.when we say chinese should one day become democratic or more transplant more relaxed system..there is no hidden agenda to destroy you..we feel that is good for china that why we say so..choice is always yours.

The birds in the golden cage are proud they have a golden cage and laugh at the free birds flying in the sky saying look u have no home but trees...

thanks for your opinion. but since you're not chinese, your opinion doesn't matter.

 

[S10]

I don't think "Jasmine Revolution" will spread to China, at least not on a wide scale. If you examined the situation closely, you can see that countries that are going through such revolution all have similar traits below:

- Authoritarian regime
- Wide-spread unemployment amongst 30 and under (>30%)
- Dramatic food inflation (>10% annually)
- Population explosion putting more pressure on limited resources

China might get dinged for two of those above (regime and inflation). However, China is capable of feeding most of its citizens with its agricultural system, therefore moderating food inflation to aroung 5% per year. Unemployment is a problem in China, but it's not a matter of job shortage. There are plenty of low-skill jobs available which go unfilled because many young people with post-secondary education see those as beneath them. China's population growth has been stablizing for several years now, and will begin to decline in the next few decades.

Revolution is very unlikely in a society going through high speed economic growth. Problem starts when that growth is halted and there is no democratic means for people to demand change. I don't know if anybody saw the protest in Beijing several days ago. There were more journalists and onlookers than actual protesters.

 

[Akasa]

I don't think "Jasmine Revolution" will spread to China, at least not on a wide scale. If you examined the situation closely, you can see that countries that are going through such revolution all have similar traits below:

- Authoritarian regime
- Wide-spread unemployment amongst 30 and under (>30%)
- Dramatic food inflation (>10% annually)
- Population explosion putting more pressure on limited resources

China might get dinged for two of those above (regime and inflation). However, China is capable of feeding most of its citizens with its agricultural system, therefore moderating food inflation to aroung 5% per year. Unemployment is a problem in China, but it's not a matter of job shortage. There are plenty of low-skill jobs available which go unfilled because many young people with post-secondary education see those as beneath them. China's population growth has been stablizing for several years now, and will begin to decline in the next few decades.

Revolution is very unlikely in a society going through high speed economic growth. Problem starts when that growth is halted and there is no democratic means for people to demand change. I don't know if anybody saw the protest in Beijing several days ago. There were more journalists and onlookers than actual protesters.

China is not really "authoritarian". China changes its leaders every 9 years (unlike authoritarian regimes) and internal elections take place. China also has and is undergoing rapid democratization and change, none of which exist in true authoritarian regimes.

It's more like a transitioning hybrid regime.

 

[S10]

China is not really "authoritarian". China changes its leaders every 9 years (unlike authoritarian regimes) and internal elections take place. China also has and is undergoing rapid democratization and change, none of which exist in true authoritarian regimes.

It's more like a transitioning hybrid regime.

You need to look up the meaning of authoritarian regime.

 

[Akasa]

You need to look up the meaning of authoritarian regime.

That's my point. The CCP no longer has complete control over society (due to reforms) and most importantly the economy. Grass root elections also take place, further impeding evidence that China is all authoritarian.

 

[cross1993]

The birds in the golden cage are proud they have a golden cage and laugh at the free birds flying in the sky saying look u have no home but trees...

The Monkeys in bare are proud they can run naked in the forest and laugh at the human living in the city saying look you have no freedom but law...

 

[S10]

That's my point. The CCP no longer has complete control over society (due to reforms) and most importantly the economy. Grass root elections also take place, further impeding evidence that China is all authoritarian.

Private enterprises and isolated cases of elections do NOT mean you are no longer an authoritarian regime. It is still a single party state ruled by a small group of men that represses political and social freedom. The government is still largely unaccountable to the public except for several high profile cases.

 

[lkozhi]

The Monkeys in bare are proud they can run naked in the forest and laugh at the human living in the city saying look you have no freedom but law...

Monkey knows best. Thanks for giving your view point.

 

[lkozhi]

thanks for your opinion. but since you're not chinese, your opinion doesn't matter.

casual bhai ur country shows usa and ur location shows usa, may be u can update it to chinese. dont feel shy...its okay...

 

[gpit]

The birds in the golden cage are proud they have a golden cage and laugh at the free birds flying in the sky saying look u have no home but trees...

Right, when the "golden cage" covers the whole world of earth, extending to the moon and Mars.

On the other side, the birds are starving to death, can't even afford to flip their wing...

 

[Anonymous user]

it's always your choice what to choose what not to all i want is tolerance towards criticism.when we say chinese should one day become democratic or more transplant more relaxed system..there is no hidden agenda to destroy you..we feel that is good for china that why we say so..choice is always yours.

I find it strange that many non Chinese keep pushing democracy as a better model for China though I can't really see how. Traditionally Chinese love their vices to an excess of which involves gambling, drinking, women, to some extend drugs but not so much. Much of these activities are criminalize thru organized crime which is also something Chinese excel yet (There is a reason why triads and Yakuza make the news routinely wordwide).

For China to excel the backbone of the society must be strong first before it can even start to support freedom for individuals etc (collective benefit as opposed to individual benefit). Take a look at any Chinese society which started with democracy and you will find a thriving underworld culture.

For a country the size of China once the underworld takes control it will be quickly filter down to politicians and the police/army etc and it would be impossible to eradicate. I think its to India's benefit that China leadership is under communism which quickly put a stop to all this, otherwise you will be seeing a massive illegal trade between borders.

I hope that makes things clearer about your support for democracy in China and why it will make things worse.

The birds in the golden cage are proud they have a golden cage and laugh at the free birds flying in the sky saying look u have no home but trees...

Comparing human society to the animal kingdom? That doesn't make any sense, there is a reason why humans build houses and animals roam in the wild. It is also why we are called a civilization.

 

[gpit]

I don't think "Jasmine Revolution" will spread to China, at least not on a wide scale. If you examined the situation closely, you can see that countries that are going through such revolution all have similar traits below:

- Authoritarian regime
- Wide-spread unemployment amongst 30 and under (>30%)
- Dramatic food inflation (>10% annually)
- Population explosion putting more pressure on limited resources

China might get dinged for two of those above (regime and inflation). However, China is capable of feeding most of its citizens with its agricultural system, therefore moderating food inflation to aroung 5% per year. Unemployment is a problem in China, but it's not a matter of job shortage. There are plenty of low-skill jobs available which go unfilled because many young people with post-secondary education see those as beneath them. China's population growth has been stablizing for several years now, and will begin to decline in the next few decades.

Revolution is very unlikely in a society going through high speed economic growth. Problem starts when that growth is halted and there is no democratic means for people to demand change. I don't know if anybody saw the protest in Beijing several days ago. There were more journalists and onlookers than actual protesters.

You forget to add one very important factor: China rotates its leaders since Mao, while Egypt and Tunisia, etc. have state head in position for several decades.

As long as the life is good enough, people won't hate a single person who doesn't run the country for just a short period time. If they hate Jiang Zeming, Hu is on the position. If they start to have Hu, Mr Xi will replace him.

In terms of mass psychology, leader rotation is very important to make people happy, even though it may/may not work in solving problems.

 

[lkozhi]

bandhura kanjana kootilanenkilum bandhanam bandhanam tanee paril.
translation:
In this world, even in a golden cage, lack of freedom is lack of freedom
not great philosopher like confusious ,but a simple poet from kerala who sang this during british rule. British gave us rails roads,postal service. All in all better life. But we wanted freedom, the way we need to do we do. it could be good or bad.

I wish ur cage reaches to heavens. But remember cage is a cage... We can only sing to you from outside. You have to fly out on ur own. For the cage is so strong and we are poor birds who cant afford to flip their wing...

 

[gpit]

Actually I would put rule of law before industrialisation.

Without material richness that supports the kind of institution, rule of law is like "a cake drawn on paper". Democracy in any poor countries will see no one respect the law since there is no material support for jurisdiction and law enforcement.

This is why initially people of US had limited democracy instead of universal democracy when it was weak and Native Indians outnumbered the Whites.

Industrialization is a precursor of wealth.