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China Squashes Attempted Tunisia-Style Revolt the JASMINE REVOLUTION

Simple example, I just returned from Indonesia a place where there 40 politic parties which vies for power, total freedom of things with tabloids and freedom of press etc etc. The government is quite shoddy and corrupt which resulted in a large number of poor people that roam the streets for shelter and food, even if one had money buying a nice car would still mean that it would be subjected to the potholes, traffic snarls or even some homeless dude smashing off your side mirrors for a quick buck.

So say as you may but I know the benefits I enjoy which makes us comfortable. Btw I got 2 India based friend (my ex Wipro Staff) asking me how to relocate to Singapore, 1 even wants Residency and thats after they worked in Singapore for 1 month. So this is not the same opinion everyone shares with you.

we can have billions of opinions. chinese people also apply for us citizenship. does that mean china is not good.
They come to singapore for one thing. For making money to pay off their home loans in india. But what finally happens is they will have kids there who will have more friends in singapore than in india. So they grow old and die there listening to hindi songs thinking about their homeland.

are u wiproite? Brainy fellow :-)
 
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we were discussing about democracy and u shifted to religion. this is not budhism vs hinduism i assume.
since u asked. By law there are more provisions for sc/st people than upper caste.
How did the untouchable downtrodden japan guy reach japan. He would have got his education through??reservation i assume...
Do u know that state pays for education for people of lower castes? I think in tamil had reservation is around 80% .
North India is a different story. THere people are slowly getting educated and learning their rights. Till then u will hear all this dog stories.
I feel that is a religion thing anyways. Not something brought by democracy. It is good to know that in china everyone are equal.
HOw was it old times, i mean before communism?
 
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Jon Huntsman, U.S. Ambassador To China, Spotted At Jasmine Revolution Protests In Beijing (VIDEO)


Posted: 02/24/11 01:13 PM
Rumored presidential hopeful Jon Huntsman is ruffling more than a few feathers stateside after video of the U.S. Ambassador to China attending a Jasmine Revolution protest in Beijing surfaced.

In the video, the Republican and former governor of Utah -- who is resigning from his post this spring amidst speculation that he is revving up for a 2012 presidential run -- sports sunglasses and a leather jacket with an American flag badge on the shoulder. Huntsman, who is fluent in Mandarin, is seen being approached by one demonstrator outside of a McDonald's restaurant, and according to a translation provided by the Shanghaiist, states: "I'm just here to look around."

According to the Wall Street Journal, Huntsman's appearance at last Sunday's demonstration is particularly controversial because it is rare for an ambassador to attend an anti-government protest in China. The U.S. Embassy has since moved to extinguish theories that the ambassador's appearance implied that United States is tacitly supporting the Jasmine Revolution movement.

Officials have since claimed Huntsman's appearance was purely coincidental. "The Huntsmans were on a family outing and happened to pass by [popular shopping street] Wangfujing," Richard Buangan, a U.S. embassy spokesman, told the Wall Street Journal, noting the ambassador was on his way to a museum. "They realized what was going on and immediately left."

Since the video appeared, China's Internet censors have reportedly blocked searches for Huntsman's Chinese name.

Watch video of Huntman's appearance at the protest here:

 
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Seoul to Float News of 'Jasmine Revolutions' to N.Korea

Helium balloons to be floated to North Korea will carry propaganda leaflets with news of the popular uprisings sweeping the Middle East, a lawmaker said Thursday. The military will also attach clothes and medicine to the balloons, a practice discontinued in April 2000.

The Defense Ministry submitted a report to Future Hope Alliance lawmaker Song Young-sun on Thursday saying the military has sent about 3 million propaganda leaflets since North Korea's shelling of Yeonpyeong Island in October last year, including 400,000 immediately following the attack and 2.4 million since early February.

"The military plans to update its propaganda leaflets by adding news of popular uprisings in Egypt and Libya and also criticizing the hereditary succession under the long-term dictatorship, and distribute them on a large scale," said Song quoting military sources.

Starting this month, it sent over 10,000 items including 14 daily necessities such as toothpaste, toothbrushes, soap, and tissues, as well as underwear, hats and gloves, and medicine such as cold pills, ointment and antiseptic, plus microwaveable instant rice and radios.

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China Blocks Access to LinkedIn Networking Site

China has stepped up its policing of Internet usage in the country, temporarily blocking access to LinkedIn, the largest networking site for professionals, as well as searches for the name of the U.S. ambassador.

The networking site went offline on Friday shortly after one user set up a forum discussing the idea of a Jasmine Revolution in China. The reference to the word jasmine is the name some have attached to widespread anti-government protests that have swept through Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and other countries in the Middle East.

Last week, Chinese authorities mobilized tens of thousands of security forces ahead of Internet calls for Jasmine Revolution protests. Rights groups said that at least 80 prominent activists and dissidents were detained or confined to their homes in advance of the demonstrations. The protests drew up to several hundred people in more than a dozen cities.

U.S. Ambassador Jon Huntsman was spotted at one of the protests in Beijing last Sunday, although the American Embassy said it was a coincidence he was there as he walked through a shopping district with his family. On Friday, searches for his name in Chinese on the popular Internet site Sina Weibo were met with a message saying it was not available because of "laws, regulations and policies."

The U.S.-based LinkedIn company says about one million of its 90 million users are in China. The company says the blockage of its site appears to be "part of a broader effort in China right now" and involved other, unnamed sites as well.
By later Friday, some said they could use the LinkedIn site again.

China routinely blocks access to web sites of foreign news organizations, including VOA, or television coverage of events it considers sensitive. Chinese Internet monitors also are able to selectively block keywords and searches on Internet topics it thinks might foster anti-government sentiment. Coverage of the political turmoil in the Middle East has been limited in China.

Western groups have regularly criticized the Chinese effort to limit outside information from reaching the world's most populous country. In a recent speech, President Hu Jintao emphasized the need to "build a socialist social management system."

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Advocates call for more support of 'jasmine revolution' in China

2011/02/25 15:41:02
Taipei, Feb. 25 (CNA) The people and government of Taiwan should offer more support for the "Chinese jasmine revolution" because democracy and human rights are universal values and a democratic China will serve Taiwan's interests, rights advocates said Friday.

Several human rights advocates held a press conference in Taipei to comment on the rumblings of revolution that have surfaced on Chinese websites over the last week.

A Boxun.com blog post on Feb. 17 called on Chinese people to gather at 2 p.m. on Feb. 19 in 13 Chinese cities to protest for "food, jobs, living space, and fairness and justice." The movement, described as the "Chinese jasmine revolution, " ended with arrests of protesters and a wave of Internet censorship.

The Taiwanese rights advocates said that people of Taiwan -- independence supporters and unification supporters alike -- should support China's democratic movement and the government should lead the charge.

Yang Hsien-hung, President of the Taiwan Association for China Human Rights (TACHR) , urged the Taiwan government to actively voice its opinions on human rights and democracy and make clear that it will not hold any political dialogue unless China addresses these issues.

"President Ma Ying-jeou, as a head of state, should have the courage to single out China's human rights problems, " Yang said.

Ruan Ming, a former Chinese Communist scholar who now has Taiwanese citizenship, said that "China and other authoritative regimes are witnessing a new era of political movements driven by the youth, who present their ideology with a new strategy -- the Internet."

The political movement that has swept through Africa and the Middle East is destined to arrive in China eventually, he said, adding that even though the number of people answering the call this past week may be small, "the Chinese government is obviously nervous."

John C.F. Wei, a human rights attorney, urged the Chinese government to initiate dialogue with dissidents and called on Taiwanese people to pay attention and support human rights and peaceful democratic movements in China.

"A collapsed China is not necessarily a good thing for Taiwan, " he said, alluding to the economic consequences for Taiwan if China became unstable.

Chang Tieh-chih, a well-known blogger, warned that Taiwan knew too little about China, especially its "dark side, " despite warming cross-strait ties. The crackdown on dissidents and the censorship of Internet search engines and web forums showed that "China might be powerful on the outside, but is, in fact, fragile on the inside."

"No one can predict when a revolution will happen, " said Chang. "However, the social situation in China has reached a boiling point and the Chinese people are now more courageous than ever in voicing their opinions."

Posts circulating on the Internet have hinted that there could be a second wave of
 
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If such a revolution was really in the interest of China and Chinese people (say it can help China take South Tibet back), I doubt our Indian friends will be so enthusiastic to promote it.
 
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China should consider the catching up with the modern world as far as democracy is concerned . They should embrace democarcy just like India has.
 
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China should consider the catching up with the modern world as far as democracy is concerned . They should embrace democarcy just like India has.

that is for the chinese people to decide, not you.
 
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Those people who want to impose their wish of democracy on the Chinese with-out knowing the current situation in China, especially the non-Chinese posters who have never been living in China. The common Chinese people has the most prosperous lives compare with the last 300 years, from poverty and opiums addictions in late Qing, wars and hyper inflation in ROC and the difficult years in early PRC.

Those that demand western style democracy are a very small group of people that have no real idea what the Chinese people want. People want stable lives, plenty of food, a nice shelter called home, a chance to get prosperous. This is not the old communist China, even our Prime Minister was amazed at how capitalist modern China is. Compare with most developing world ruled by democratically elected governments, China is a better place to live and work. Those day dreaming purist idealist for western style democracy are being un-realistic. Why revolt and cause damage and lost of lives while you can smoothly, steadily change and enjoy the good lives.

I am not born in China but I have worked there for many years and will be happy if I can go back again to stay a long time. We have a British style democracy here but there is so much politics and other issues it really make me sick!!!
 
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Those people who want to impose their wish of democracy on the Chinese with-out knowing the current situation in China, especially the non-Chinese posters who have never been living in China. The common Chinese people has the most prosperous lives compare with the last 300 years, from poverty and opiums addictions in late Qing, wars and hyper inflation in ROC and the difficult years in early PRC.

Those that demand western style democracy are a very small group of people that have no real idea what the Chinese people want. People want stable lives, plenty of food, a nice shelter called home, a chance to get prosperous. This is not the old communist China, even our Prime Minister was amazed at how capitalist modern China is. Compare with most developing world ruled by democratically elected governments, China is a better place to live and work. Those day dreaming purist idealist for western style democracy are being un-realistic. Why revolt and cause damage and lost of lives while you can smoothly, steadily change and enjoy the good lives.

I am not born in China but I have worked there for many years and will be happy if I can go back again to stay a long time. We have a British style democracy here but there is so much politics and other issues it really make me sick!!!

China's government can be said to be far more democratic than other developing nation's. We can do a simple analysis: number of Congress members per capita. China has 4x the population of the US but 10x the Congress members. Number of hereditary leaders in China is zero, while in USA it is at least 2 - Bush and Kennedy.
 
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I think democracy will not work in developing countries. Consider the track record of democratic government in poor and developing country (look at sub saharan Africa and India) then consider the country which had made a successful and prosperous transition from authoritarian government to democracy (Taiwan, SK, Japan, Singapore). All the successful country transitioned their governments after they near a developed country's level of income.

A good case can be made that democracy is poison for developing countries and calls for democracy now by the west maybe actually harmful to those who accept.
 
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Japan's transition to democracy was far far far after it became rich. Singapore still has not transitioned. Taiwan has CIA democracy, and South Korea's democracy doesn't matter because they can't even control their own military, if the US army ordered South Korean army to shoot all South Koreans they legally must obey, since the loyalty of SK forces is to USA command alone.
 
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I think democracy will not work in developing countries. Consider the track record of democratic government in poor and developing country (look at sub saharan Africa and India) then consider the country which had made a successful and prosperous transition from authoritarian government to democracy (Taiwan, SK, Japan, Singapore). All the successful country transitioned their governments after they near a developed country's level of income.

A good case can be made that democracy is poison for developing countries and calls for democracy now by the west maybe actually harmful to those who accept.

Agreed. Looked at indonesia, Thailand, Cambodia, Phillipines, their people don't even have good lives compare with Singapore which is democratic in name but more authoritative in real politics, Singapore was a poor nation in 1960s and 1970s until Lee Kuan Yew put all things in order with his iron rule Taiwan's chaotic democracy also doesn't bring much prosperity to its people.
 
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