China Speeds Past India's Slow Train to Himalayas

[oct605032048]

how many do you have and how much does each one cost you?
The answer is one of the biggest jokes of our century.

let along the high risk of being shoot down by an SAMs, fighters or even an RPG.

 

[Vibs]

You pay 100 million dollars for a plane that can hardly transport payloads of a 18 century railroad car. That I can hardly see any sense out of it.

Tips for you.
1) Open an Atlas and study the geography
2) Read Military case studies on transportation of troops (D-Day para troopers, Iraq, Falkland wars etc etc)
3) Get a clue

 

[indushek]

India's links with the borders in the Himalayan region is very rudimentary and patchy at best. But I'm surprised that the article has decided to identify the infrastructure in Kashmir as the area of comparison. The area is of no importance to China, and the terrain as well as the high altitudes involved here almost entirely nullify the Chinese advantage of numbers.
The comparison should be with the Indian infrastructure in Andhra Pradesh and the other disputed but populated territories on the Indian side including Tawang. These areas are well connected with the rest of India. While the Chinese can rapidly deploy forces on the other side of the mountainous terrain, the area is inaccessible during the winters and that leaves only a 6 month time period for any military maneuvers. The Tibetian railroad link is more likely strategic from an internal affairs perspective to China than from an external military perspective.

Did u mean to say Arunachal Pradesh?? Why would they be interested in my state down south??

 

[Vibs]

Did u mean to say Arunachal Pradesh?? Why would they be interested in my state down south??

Lol..yeah...my mistake..edited

 

[oct605032048]

Tips for you.
1) Open an Atlas and study the geography
2) Read Military case studies on transportation of troops (D-Day para troopers, Iraq, Falkland wars etc etc)
3) Get a clue

Yeah great idea, each plane can transport one tank and one billion dollars for 10 tanks and you indians can beat Nazi and concur Europe!

 

[Vibs]

Yeah great idea, each plane can transport one tank and one billion dollars for 10 tanks and you indians can beat Nazi and concur Europe!

All the best using tanks in that terrain.

 

[ephone]

For those infrastructure building, india has a lot to learn from China.

The article answers itself

I do not see any comparison ( or competition) between India & China. Both nations have diff Political Systems, aspirations, issues , methods of tackling them and priorities.

 

[Nav]

As for transportations, we got these babys.

PLA will get a fair shot on these babies and these babies are not valuable for troops mass movement..

 

[below_freezing]

That makes sense. But Chinese railways are actually worth a case study as they managed to privatize it long ago, while the Indian system is still state controlled and relies on govt. funds.
Given that these are private firms in China (even though a lot of stake is with the govt.) I'm sure they would be looking at credit from Multinational banks as well as raising funds through equity. Doesn't low profitability/bad debt affect the credit rating of the concerned organization? or does that not matter?

The Chinese railroad system is not private. It isn't even a state owned company. It's the "Ministry of Railroads". There's nothing private about it; it takes taxpayer money and in return subsidizes rail travel. The Ministry of Railroads is a very powerful government department. It operates its own police, telecom company and supply chain. It has the power to silence opponents (like when it ordered the propaganda department to silence criticism of the crash, but the State Administration of Radio and TV blocked it) and is the classic bloated, corrupt bureaucracy. It's not called "Big Rail" 铁老大 in China for nothing.

Actually, the revenue of the top 60 state owned companies in China is something like 45% of GDP. Somewhere in fortune 500 they said this.

 

[Vibs]

The Chinese railroad system is not private. It isn't even a state owned company. It's the "Ministry of Railroads". There's nothing private about it; it takes taxpayer money and in return subsidizes rail travel. The Ministry of Railroads is a very powerful government department. It operates its own police, telecom company and supply chain. It has the power to silence opponents (like when it ordered the propaganda department to silence criticism of the crash, but the State Administration of Radio and TV blocked it) and is the classic bloated, corrupt bureaucracy. It's not called "Big Rail" 铁老大 in China for nothing.

Actually, the revenue of the top 60 state owned companies in China is something like 45% of GDP. Somewhere in fortune 500 they said this.

I meant the railway group companies like China Railway Group and companies like China Railway Engineering Corporation. Even the Railway Bureaus operate sort of like independent organizations under an umbrella brand.

 

[xTra]

PLA will get a fair shot on these babies and these babies are not valuable for troops mass movement..

Are you Chinese.

 

[Shinigami]

He also said China was also more proficient at concealing its failures because of its closed political system and excellent information management.

interesting....

 

[below_freezing]

I meant the railway group companies like China Railway Group and companies like China Railway Engineering Corporation. Even the Railway Bureaus operate sort of like independent organizations under an umbrella brand.

... that's not "private" ownership. Those are all state owned companies. They collude with each other on prices, take taxpayer money and subsidize services. Its basically a monopoly. For all the talk of "capitalism" in China today the economy is split about half/half between privates and state owned, so I laugh when Gambit talks about "haha China is capitalist because socialism failed". Less socialism != not socialist. It just went from 99% socialist, to 60% socialist, its still socialist. There are no sectors where there are no state owned companies.

It is big privates that are the exception not the norm; in a few industries like beverages, internet, solar, etc. its more private though. But in things like railroad operation and railroad engineering? No way Would you trust your life to a private company?

Just to give you an idea of how socialist China is: I go to a giant mall called Wushang Liangfan all the time. It looks like a mall anywhere; there's hotels, shopping, arcade games, a restaraunts, luxury goods, even a jewelry store. Its also state owned.

Tobacco? Every cigarette in China is produced by a state bureaucracy - the Tobacco Monopoly Corporation of China.

 

[DarK-LorD]

A very big target from the ground.

THen US military is doing a very big mistake by ordering 100+ of these.

 

[harpoon]

Honestly it makes sense. Even if railway lines are built on the Indian side, they won't be able to travel above 40km/hr in those areas. They will be an easier target and make more time to transport as compared to the transport aircrafts.

The same can be said about all trains. With modern jets and missiles its not a difficult task to hit a train travelling at 150km/hr in the plains or 40km/hr in the hills.Actually air attack is somewhat difficult in a hilly terrain.