China Speeds Past India's Slow Train to Himalayas

[Vibs]

... that's not "private" ownership. Those are all state owned companies. They collude with each other on prices, take taxpayer money and subsidize services. Its basically a monopoly. For all the talk of "capitalism" in China today the economy is firmly dominated by state owned companies so I laugh when Gambit talks about "haha China is capitalist because socialism failed". Less socialism != not socialist. It just went from 99% socialist, to 60% socialist, its still socialist. There are no sectors where there are no state owned companies.

It is big privates that are the exception not the norm; in a few industries like beverages, internet, solar, etc. its more private though.

Just to give you an idea of how socialist China is: I go to a giant mall called Wushang Liangfan all the time. It looks like a mall anywhere; there's hotels, shopping, arcade games, a restaraunts, luxury goods, even a jewelry store. Its also state owned.

Tobacco? Every cigarette in China is produced by a state bureaucracy - the Tobacco Monopoly Corporation of China.

Lol..Ok..I get it. It's not a "privatized industry". I am well aware that even the "private" firms have owners with some connection to the state. I only wanted to know is whether these companies (not getting into private or state owned) had problems with credit rating plus some of them are actually listed.

 

[Vibs]

The same can be said about all trains. With modern jets and missiles its not a difficult task to hit a train travelling at 150km/hr in the plains or 40km/hr in the hills.Actually air attack is somewhat difficult in a hilly terrain.

Well yes, but trains, railway lines, bridges are pretty easy targets (and in many cases the first ones) in a hilly terrain. Be it by air attack or long range artillery/short range missiles. Quite easy to block out and extremely difficult to repair. And building them on the Indian side is extremely difficult as it is, imagine clean up operations if there is a landslide caused by enemy fire.

 

[harpoon]

Well yes, but trains, railway lines, bridges are pretty easy targets (and in many cases the first ones) in a hilly terrain. Be it by air attack or long range artillery/short range missiles. Quite easy to block out and extremely difficult to repair. And building them on the Indian side is extremely difficult as it is, imagine clean up operations if there is a landslide caused by enemy fire.

But armies still prefer railway over road or air for transporting their assets especially their heavy equipments like tanks and artillery as its very efficient and faster when comaperd to other means of transport. In a wartime every means of transport carries it own risk.Air attack or long range artillery/short range missiles can also hamper road movement. Also every army have strategies to protect their means of transport.

 

[IndoCarib]

The article says it all !There is no comparison given the topography of the two terrains. More over in India everything moves at a snail's pace !


UNFAIR COMPARISON

For the hard-hatted men tasked with building the railway line, comparisons with China don't sit easily.

"These mountains are full of surprises. Normally you would survey one to two kilometers and then, based on the results, extrapolate the geological pattern for the rest of the stretch, but here it changes every 50 meters," said chief engineer L. Prakash.

Most of the line runs either through tunnels totaling 109 km (68 miles), the longest of which is 11.4 km (7.1 miles), or across more than 780 bridges, many of which span deep gorges.

"The comparison with the Tibet railway is overstated. The Tibet line is largely flat, only 10 percent passes through mountainous terrain and the rest is through plateau," said Northern Railway's Ram.

"It is not to belittle the challenges they faced. To build a network at that altitude and with those kind of weather conditions is creditable. But the comparison doesn't stand. They had to do a lot less tunneling, far fewer bridges."

 

[newdelhinsa]

Many times more difficult to target a C17 than a juicy target train or train track. A hit with good timing will halt the movement and can cause devastation manifolds.

 

[IndoCarib]

Jammu-Udhampur-Srinagar-Baramulla Rail Link (JUSBRL) Project: Bridge coming up over the chenab, connecting kauri and Bakkal in J&K

Pink colored line under construction

 

[somebozo]

Indians suck at project management!

 

[IndoCarib]

Indians suck at project management!

Unfortunately you are right .

 

[IndianArmy]

Quality of Indian Army's Logistics and Engineering were proved in the Operation Bison. Keeping an option open is never of any strategic value/importance, although I would never underestimate especially The Chinese.

 

[Tshering22]

Indians suck at project management!

I don't deny that. But blame the screwed up government for this. A common Indian working in any office is far far more efficient than any of these bloody sarkari louts.

 

[Mindfreak103]

Indians suck at project management!

unfortunately sir same applies with ur country

 

[harpoon]

Indians suck at project management!

Only in Govt Sector. Indian Private sector efficiency is one of the best in the world.

 

[ephone]

Building roads through tunnels is not that difficult with all of those modern machinery. Building roads on Tibet plateau actually is world-level difficult problem. It is even more difficult on those frozen earth that have been frozen for thousands of years.

Seriously, india need send some people to China to learn how to build road effectively and efficiently.

 

[Vibs]

Only in Govt Sector. Indian Private sector efficiency is one of the best in the world.

I used to honestly believe that until the Metro projects started getting delayed.

 

[oct605032048]

The article says it all !There is no comparison given the topography of the two terrains. More over in India everything moves at a snail's pace !


UNFAIR COMPARISON

For the hard-hatted men tasked with building the railway line, comparisons with China don't sit easily.

"These mountains are full of surprises. Normally you would survey one to two kilometers and then, based on the results, extrapolate the geological pattern for the rest of the stretch, but here it changes every 50 meters," said chief engineer L. Prakash.

Most of the line runs either through tunnels totaling 109 km (68 miles), the longest of which is 11.4 km (7.1 miles), or across more than 780 bridges, many of which span deep gorges.

"The comparison with the Tibet railway is overstated. The Tibet line is largely flat, only 10 percent passes through mountainous terrain and the rest is through plateau," said Northern Railway's Ram.

"It is not to belittle the challenges they faced. To build a network at that altitude and with those kind of weather conditions is creditable. But the comparison doesn't stand. They had to do a lot less tunneling, far fewer bridges."

Stupid arrogant and ignorant.
The Qinghai-Tibet railway is 1.4 K KM long, mostly built on plateau of 4000 meters. Perhaps the only railway project that could match the Qinghai-Tibet railway on this planet is the Karakorum Railway in the future. India is no way to accomplish that.