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China’s third confrontation with India’s border build-up

What's up bro. :help:

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lol flag meeting :D :china:

Uhunh...perhaps we should liberate Bangladesh from the Jamaati loons..its our moral obligation too. Oh wait, we already bought your PM and are in the process of buying the opposition too. :coffee:

Small countries who's government is owned and run by the IA of another country should not butt in.

show the indian mentality :P and look everybody that thanked your post was indian you guys are bully thats why no one like you in the region
 
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lol flag meeting :D :china:



show the indian mentality :P and look everybody that thanked your post was indian you guys are bully thats why no one like you in the region

hmmm look who's is talking.. Like whole world worship my friends country.. Nearly criticized by half of the world countries.. Known as hub of terrorist who are threat for themselves and for whole world too.. Tried to invade India, Bangladesh in past now in border dispute with afganistan.. Now he comes to PDF and trolling here.. For his masters.
Regarding flag meeting its an offcial attempt to solve the problem.. You can not fight a war on every thing if it can be solved diplomatically. Any ways its Indian and Chinese perspective we will look in to it.
 
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hmmm look who's is talking.. Like whole world worship my friends country.. Nearly criticized by half of the world countries.. Known as hub of terrorist who are threat for themselves and for whole world too.. Tried to invade India, Bangladesh in past now in border dispute with afganistan.. Now he comes to PDF and trolling here.. For his masters.
Regarding flag meeting its an offcial attempt to solve the problem.. You can not fight a war on every thing if it can be solved diplomatically. Any ways its Indian and Chinese perspective we will look in to it.

oh it seem you indians are the most honest people trying to bully every nation and now acusing me you are the pupet of your master

hmmm look who's is talking.. Like whole world worship my friends country.. Nearly criticized by half of the world countries.. Known as hub of terrorist who are threat for themselves and for whole world too.. Tried to invade India, Bangladesh in past now in border dispute with afganistan.. Now he comes to PDF and trolling here.. For his masters.
Regarding flag meeting its an offcial attempt to solve the problem.. You can not fight a war on every thing if it can be solved diplomatically. Any ways its Indian and Chinese perspective we will look in to it.

oh it seem you indians are the most honest people trying to bully every nation and now acusing me you are the pupet of your master
 
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Technically Ladakh was never a part of India. China does have a moral and ethical obligation to free that illegally occupied region from India, IF indeed china violated the LAC. :coffee:

China was never our neighbor years before and nearly 3 years after India got its independence... So who was that in the middle that china occupied? The answer is quite in front of you.
 
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China was never our neighbor years before and nearly 3 years after India got its independence... So who was that in the middle that china occupied? The answer is quite in front of you.

plz can you tell me
 
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What's up bro. :help:

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LOL..words are coming from this army..

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and this air force
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topic....

India is developing its infrastructure.but its slow due to late environmental clearance and tougher terrain..but India has speed up its work lately..

India to shore up border infrastructure

we are deploying 2 tank brigades at chinese border.also,we are raising 6 armoured division(around 350 tanks) and 3 mechanized division(with 180 BMP-II).Also,Ladakh based 14 corps are going to get one armoured brigade while another one will be based in Siliguri for protection of Sikkim...read this......


Indian Army to Increase Troops, Infrastructure and Deploy Armoured Brigades along China Border
The Indian Army’s operational capability along the China border will be getting a major fillip as two tank brigades are soon to be deployed in that region. According to latest media reports, Defence Ministry has cleared the plan to raise six new armoured regiments that will be equipped with roughly 350 tanks. In addition, three mechanised infantry battalions will be raised with 180 BMP-II infantry combat vehicles.

Indian Army’s Ladakh-based 14 Corps are to be allocated an armoured brigade to safeguard the region nearing Tibet at Chushul in Ladakh. The second armoured brigade will be located in the Siliguri corridor in Bengal which can safeguard the region in Sikkim. The IAF has also beefed up its operational capability in the north-east with Sukhoi-30MKI fighters flying from new IAF air bases in Tezpur and Chhabua.

Meanwhile, India is also raising a mountain strike corps in the northeast which will consist of two mountain divisions with about 40,000 soldiers. With the armoured brigade coming up, the strike corps will also get a major boost in their capability to monitor the security in that region and be equipped to counter attack.

According to Defence experts, the upcoming tank brigades may have to be complimented by attack helicopters as well. It is felt that the Indian Army and IAF must also have attack helicopters like Mi-28 or Apaches in this region since they will go a long way in countering the enemy’s armoured attacks.

Lately, India has been concentrating on its border regions and cautiously building up more capability along volatile regions. The current decision to deploy tanks along the border region is not a new development. While deployment of armoured brigade in the north-east is new, tanks have been deployed in Ladakh area for some long time now. India had 10 Mountain divisions and is now adding a few more, according to Defence experts.

With its operational capabilities waning, the Indian Army has been pressurizing the Defence ministry to undertake measures to speed-up delayed material procurements and revive the stalled infrastructure projects along the border regions.

The need to beef up operational preparedness across the Sino-Indian border has been imperative due to China’s massive build-up of infrastructure along the border. Defence experts have pointed out that China has armoured and motorised formations in both their military regions across the Line of Actual Control.

As for the Defence ministry, it has set up three committees headed to hasten material acquisitions and the building of roads, rail links and airfields along the 4,057-kilometer-long border with China in the north and east. Defense ministry officials said the empowered committees would hasten the delayed import of howitzers for two newly raised army divisions of around 40,000 personnel for eventual deployment along the Chinese border in north-east India.


Indian Army to Increase Troops, Infrastructure and Deploy Armoured Brigades along China Border

damn..thats massive..
 
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Border follies

Red tape, green clearances and excessive caution have seriously hampered the development of infrastructure along the LAC. The strategic roads are the worst hit.

It was a cold wintry morning in 2007 when A K Antony, then just one year into his tenure as defence minister, stepped up to a border post at Nathu La in east Sikkim to look across. Jolted by what he saw, he candidly described it as "an eye-opener'' .

Antony realised that China had highways and metal roads leading right up to their border posts to bolster rapid mobility of its People's Liberation Army (PLA) along most stretches of the unresolved 4,057-km Line of Actual Control (LAC). In contrast, Indian soldiers often had to trek for miles to reach their border positions, which would be a logistical nightmare in times of conflicts.

But almost six years down the line, the story remains largely unchanged. Consider the grim reality: just 17 of the 73 "strategic'' roads — which add up to 3,808-km — identified for construction along the LAC have been fully completed till now. This when the 73 all-weather roads, with more east-west lateral links as well as better access routes to strategic peaks and valleys, were to be completed by 2012.

Similar slow progress dogs the 413 other roads identified for construction under the "general staff long-term perspective plan'' for borders with China, Pakistan and Myanmar. The Army's demand for 14 strategic railway lines along the western and eastern fronts, too, is still hanging fire. The government , however, says "work on a majority of all these roads is underway'' .

For over four decades after the 1962 war, the security establishment kept a firm lid on the development of any infrastructure along the LAC in the fear that it would actually help PLA make swift inroads into India during a conflict. The roads in some stretches simply stopped dead 60 to 80 km from the LAC.

This ultra-defensive mindset was junked only seven to eight years ago. By then, China had systematically strengthened its military infrastructure and capabilities in the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR), which now includes at least five fully-operational airbases (Gongar, Pangta , Linchi, Hoping and Gar), an extensive rail network and over 58,000-km of roads.

As if the stark asymmetry in military capabilities was not enough, China also has the border infrastructure in place to more than double its advantage. Beijing, for instance, can swiftly move over 30 divisions (each with over 15,000 soldiers) to the LAC to outnumber Indian forces by at least 3:1. "China can throw around 15 fighter squadrons against us through the Tibet airfields alone. It goes up to 21 squadrons if they also use some bases just north of Tibet,'' says a senior officer. Ominously, China has taken to holding regular air and land combat exercises in the high-altitude Qinghai-Tibet Plateau to flex its military muscles.

It was in early-2006 that the UPA-I government finally gave the go-ahead for the creation of infrastructure in all the three sectors — western (Ladakh), middle (Uttarakhand , Himachal) and eastern (Sikkim , Arunachal) — along the LAC.

But this incremental construction of forward posts, bunkers and roads as well as reactivation of old advanced landing grounds (ALGs) in Ladakh and Arunachal, coupled with "aggressive'' patrolling by Indian soldiers, has irked China no end.

Even the trigger for the ongoing military standoff in the Depsang Bulge area of eastern Ladakh, with PLA soldiers pitching their tents 19 km inside Indian territory, can be traced to India's shoring up of defences in the Daulat Beg Oldi (DBO) and Nyoma sectors in the region.

But India is still a long way from countering China's strategic moves. Many border infrastructure development projects are stuck for various reasons — environmental clearances, bureaucratic red-tape , hard rock stretches, limited working seasons in high-altitude areas and inadequate air efforts to mobilise resources.

A worried Army, in fact, even proposed that infrastructure build-up within 50 km of the LAC, as also the Line of Control (LoC) with Pakistan, should be exempted from requisite environmental and other clearances. "But to no avail. Ecological concerns are important but national security needs cannot be simply brushed aside,'' says a top officer.

Just some months ago, asked if he was satisfied with infrastructure development along the "northern borders'' facing China, Army chief General Bikram Singh said, "Several projects are underway... But yeh dil maange more (the heart wants more).''

Progress on the ongoing upgrade of airbases, ALGs and helipads, backed by progressive basing Sukhoi-30 MKI fighters, helicopters, spy drones and missile squadrons in the North-East , is only slightly better.

Since 2008, IAF has re-activated ALGs like Nyoma, DBO and Fukche in eastern Ladakh. There is also a Rs 3,500 crore plan to upgrade the Nyoma ALG into "a fullfledged airbase'' , with a 12,000-feet runway capable of handling all kinds of aircraft, which Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne says will ensure "both defensive and offensive options'' in the sector.

The Vijayanagar ALG, situated at the tri-junction of India, China and Myanmar in the Changlang district of Arunachal, has been activated but the work on other eastern sector ALGs like Pasighat, Mechuka, Walong, Tuting and Ziro has been tardy.

The Army, on its part, has a Rs 26,155-crore "capability development'' plan along the "northern borders'' but it will be completed only by 2020-2021 . Ongoing infrastructure development in the Eastern Army Command, at a cost of Rs 9,243 crore, in turn, is slated for completion by 2016-2017 .

But the elephant will have to become more fleet-footed if it ever wants to catch up with the Red Dragon.
Border follies - The Times of India

The road forward with China
India must keep talking, while building more border roads

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India's ongoing build-up along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the de facto border with China, has run into trouble at Daulat Beg Oldi in Ladakh, where - as in the lead-up to 1962 - its operational ambitions have outpaced the country's logistics. Today, a strong patrol from the People's Liberation Army (PLA) has parked itself on territory India claims, benefiting from easy access over a good Chinese road across the Depsang Plains. Meanwhile, the Indian army's access to that area is mainly through a recently reactivated, weather-dependent landing ground. Without the ability to build up force, the army has little choice but to negotiate. The PLA will demand operational concessions, most likely the withdrawal of Indian defences in some other contested sector.

While it is necessary to acknowledge this tactical weakness, it must not be allowed to persist. Over the preceding decade, New Delhi has taken steps to translate India's long-standing disadvantage on the LAC into parity. Additional forces have been sanctioned, including a mountain strike corps, two mountain divisions and two armoured brigades; and forces have been relocated to the LAC from Kashmir and the Indo-Pakistan border. Air power and air defence capabilities have been greatly enhanced and a network of roads sanctioned.

But little of this has come up on the ground yet, especially communications infrastructure. Without a road network, the cruel Himalayan terrain reduces even the largest divisions to isolated groups of soldiers sitting on widely separated hilltops. For decades, New Delhi has failed to speed up road building, blaming in turn state governments for not providing land; the environment ministry for blocking construction; the Border Roads Organisation (BRO) for lacking capacity to take on so many projects at the same time; geological difficulties; and even the Chinese for blocking road construction close to the border.

New Delhi must initiate an emergency inter-agency drive to cut through the difficulties and cut the roads through the hills. A Strategic Roads Plan already exists, crafted by Shyam Saran, a former special advisor to the prime minister who invested years of tramping around the borders into this comprehensive document. The BRO roads, the Pradhan Mantri Gram Sadak Yojana and the special border area schemes need to be coordinated to optimise effort and expense. And a high-powered government panel, perhaps a group of ministers (GoM), must be charged with implementing the scheme in a time-bound manner.

Until this network of new Indian roads substantially changes the military equation on the ground, India has little choice but to hasten softly in its military build-up. Beijing's proposal to freeze troop levels on the LAC stems from the confidence that its enviable infrastructure in Tibet acts as a force multiplier, permitting its relatively small number of troops to concentrate and disperse rapidly, running rings around India's immobile pickets. While Beijing can appear reasonable in asking for troop levels to be frozen, it cannot legitimately request a freeze on road building, which also benefits border populations. And as India changes ground realities, it must face the current ones, too - and keep talking with the Chinese army to ensure that tensions do not get out of hand.
http://strategicstudyindia.blogspot.in/2013/04/the-road-forward-with-china.html
 
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Technically Ladakh was never a part of India. China does have a moral and ethical obligation to free that illegally occupied region from India, IF indeed china violated the LAC. :coffee:

You are not a part of Human Dynasty, you dirty Pig. From last three week I am noticing you. 99 out of 100 post of yours is full of troll against India. You can add no significance value to this forum.

The existence of your nation is only because of India. We fought for your independence. People of your country feed on donations and aid that you get from India and other developed and developing nations. What knowledge do you have of history of India that you are making the above claim.

I sometime really feel pity for you, that your nation has not given you any reason to feel proud and that is why you take hearts by trolling.
 
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There is an entire nation called Tibet which is being illegally occupied by the chinese and with Tibet we had and have no confrontations what so ever, so the land is rightfully ours.

so kashmir was not yours but pakistan claim it so you want it and tibet was seprate country china claim it so it is rightfully your land what a phathatic mind of indian is

You are not a part of Human Dynasty, you dirty Pig. From last three week I am noticing you. 99 out of 100 post of yours is full of troll against India. You can add no significance value to this forum.

The existence of your nation is only because of India. We fought for your independence. People of your country feed on donations and aid that you get from India and other developed and developing nations. What knowledge do you have of history of India that you are making the above claim.

I sometime really feel pity for you, that your nation has not given you any reason to feel proud and that is why you take hearts by trolling.

0ok wait soo BD seprated from pakistan and we still call them brothers and india had great love for bengalies and you call them pig
 
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There is an entire nation called Tibet which is being illegally occupied by the chinese and with Tibet we had and have no confrontations what so ever, so the land is rightfully ours.
entire?how do you dare say such a word when part of Tibet(south Tibet) has been occupied by your country for decades and in another part you are tenting and crying heavily!
 
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entire?how do you dare say such a word when part of Tibet(south Tibet) has been occupied by your country for decades and in another part you are tenting and crying heavily!

do they Indian own anything ? India was a gift by the British and Ladakh was Tibet which was under British control, same applies to the NE states e.g Nagaland which should either belong to Myanmar or China . Indians need to thank the British for giving them an identity
 
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so kashmir was not yours but pakistan claim it so you want it and tibet was seprate country china claim it so it is rightfully your land what a phathatic mind of indian is



0ok wait soo BD seprated from pakistan and we still call them brothers and india had great love for bengalies and you call them pig

India don't has policy like the west. The way if one is Muslim then he should not be viewed as a terrorist, Similarly if I don't like a person, doesn't mean I hate the entire community.

Moreover in India you will find people from every religion,caste, creed & community.We Indians have love for each other and share brotherhood feeling between us. Thus we can never hate any religion or community.

And to answer former part of your post. Kashmir is ours. A large part of it is illegally occupied by Pakistan and as far as Tibet is concerned, we still view it as a separate and independent nation. We just wanna state that China's claim of Tibet is irrational.
 
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entire?how do you dare say such a word when part of Tibet(south Tibet) has been occupied by your country for decades and in another part you are tenting and crying heavily!

Just wondering if Sikkim is also part of Tibet in history?
 
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oh it seem you indians are the most honest people trying to bully every nation and now acusing me you are the pupet of your master



oh it seem you indians are the most honest people trying to bully every nation and now acusing me you are the pupet of your master

why should I accuse you.. You posted somthing befor and I replied.. If ulyou don't want to be accused be carefull next time.
And in this post you left it incomplete who is our master.. I belong to India but I didn't know it.. Plz shed some divine light on the topic.
we don't bully anybody.. When U attached us many times and bully us first, same with Bangladesh.. Now few years befor your master is sam uncle.. Then u bullied sam uncle too.. Now your new master and you know it.. See in which thread you are posting your coments.

so kashmir was not yours but pakistan claim it so you want it and tibet was seprate country china claim it so it is rightfully your land what a phathatic mind of indian is



0ok wait soo BD seprated from pakistan and we still call them brothers and india had great love for bengalies and you call them pig

what a are you talking..? You call Bangladeshis U R brothers U attcked them.. And now when U failed.. Now U R saying they R U brothers..
Kashmir is integral part of republic of india.. And it belongs to india.. And Tibet is another COUNTRY.. You can not compare both the things.. Its irrelevent.
 
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