China’s Territorial Disputes with India

[dore]

chinese love peace, not like US. where is indian in north america? you are killing the person without any weapon everyday in iraq and afghanistan.

Red: Yeah, agree, Chinese love peace, but chinese goverment doesn't. And chinese ppl are brainwashed by the Chinese government. that's why many people are so stupid

 

[prototype]

Arunachal for Aksai Chin, Problem resolved, India and China progress.

I think you forget what JN told,aksai chin is a place were not even a blade of grass grow,the fact is Aksai chin is useless to us,so its better that China keep that place, at least they are using it in someways,and Arunachal will remain our's.

Problem solved.

 

[Galaxy]

Red: Yeah, agree, Chinese love peace, but chinese goverment doesn't. And chinese ppl are brainwashed by the Chinese government. that's why many people are so stupid

 

[Galaxy]

I think you forget what JN told,aksai chin is a place were not even a blade of grass grow,the fact is Aksai chin is useless to us,so its better that China keep that place, at least they are using it in someways,and Arunachal will remain our's.

Problem solved.

What about Tibet ?

 

[ironman]

Excuses after excuses, tell that to the 4000plus of your armyboys thats still lying in the dirt.
Regarding your kid's game: Japanese, first of all, are you happened to have some genes from Japanese, a half breed or full blooded one? if not, whats that have anything to do with you? stop using jap's a@s as your own face please.
Just to wake up an ignorant internet hoax believer idiot (20% indian engineer work in nasa and microsoft eh)? Japan surrendered to China along with 1 million plus causalties.

http://www.freedomdocuments.com/PICS/S5_CHI.JPG
12. General Hsu Yung-Ch'ang representing the Republic of China is shown signing the Japanese copy of the Instrument of Surrender.
WWII Photographs
You are the one who need to ask yourself: what have you done after suffering the most "humiliating defeat" in India's history or you're contented for continuing to be the "international laughing stock" for yrs to come? come for your "sweet revenge", we been waiting for half a century and still counting.

What a pity... that was the picture of Japanese surrender to Allies not to China alone.. seems like high IQ propaganda..

along with.

Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers, Douglas MacArthur.

Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz as the Official U. S. representative

Admiral Sir Bruce A. Fraser representing the United Kingdom

Lt. General Kuzma Derevyanko representing the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

http://www.freedomdocuments.com/pics/ph14.jpg
General Sir Thomas Blamey representing the Commonwealth of Australia

 

[Tshering22]

I think you forget what JN told,aksai chin is a place were not even a blade of grass grow,the fact is Aksai chin is useless to us,so its better that China keep that place, at least they are using it in someways,and Arunachal will remain our's.

Problem solved.

Neither of the provinces belong to them. Both are ours. How would it be if I took the store room of your house? You won't give it, won't you? The reason that land has gone there is because of Nehru's idiocy and his Utopian madness.

Nothing grows in Tibetan border to India as well. Then why China keeps the land? Because there is more to it than just agriculture. Something called strategic value. Because of Aksai Chin annexation, PLA can drop right at LAC with Ladakh while we will have to bleed through till we cross Tibet. That's why the value of land is always there.

 

[applesauce]

What a pity... that was the picture of Japanese surrender to Allies not to China alone.. seems like high IQ propaganda..

checks ur own iq first

where in his post did he say the japanese surrendered to the chinese only???

china was a member of the allies

 

[MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n]

Manchu are Chinese. British are not Indian. You can not just inherit everything from British. Even if you can, why can't Pakistan? Why not other countries?

In addition, just like Bhutan, Ladakh was a vassal state of China (or protectorate country or tributary country or whatever the translation). Since it is not a country anymore, we do have right to claim it.

China wanted to set up the border dispute with your country, but you refused. And you wanted to invade China, but you overestimated yourselves. So you stabbed China first, better blame yourselves for today's situation.

now that's a logical arguement ; totally agree with you bro. ... you've just shown them (indians) a mirror ...

 

[Infiltrator]

You really have no idea what you are talking about. Why not give Hawaiians a vote to secede ?? Texas and California was stolen from Mexico. China's claim to Tibet is just as legitimate.

Wrong. California was sold by Mexico to the United States albiet in a somewhat somewhat controversial manner. Texas was its own state separate from Mexico after the Texas Revolution and it chose to join the United States. Mexico didn't recognize Texas as an independent state or accept it joining the United States so this started the Mexican-American war. The United States won the war and Texas was given statehood. Also, Hawaii is different story. It was annexed but they have they technically have the right to secede if there is enough support.

China's claim to Tibet is not as legitimate. They cannot secede from China even if the indigenous Tibetan people desire to. Their land was forcefully taken by China based on "historical claims" and unlike California, Hawaii and Texas, the native population is oppressed. Also, Tibet's demographics have drastically changed through Han Chinese immigration due to population transfer programs.

Source for population transfer programs: http://www.webcitation.org/5rbC9I6bP

Now, please stop brining up the U.S. and its history in a discussion focused on China's territorial disputes with India.

 

[Infiltrator]

Self-delete

 

[jdme]

now that's a logical arguement ; totally agree with you bro. ... you've just shown them (indians) a mirror ...

I agree. By his logic, I am pretty sure we can claim Pakistan. Get ready to move over.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Wrong. California was sold by Mexico to the United States albiet in a somewhat somewhat controversial manner. Texas was its own state separate from Mexico after the Texas Revolution and it chose to join the United States. Mexico didn't recognize Texas as an independent state or accept it joining the United States so this started the Mexican-American war. The United States won the war and Texas was given statehood. Also, Hawaii is different story. It was annexed but they have they technically have the right to secede if there is enough support.

China's claim to Tibet is not as legitimate. They cannot secede from China even if the indigenous Tibetan people desire to. Their land was forcefully taken by China based on "historical claims" and unlike California, Hawaii and Texas, the native population is oppressed. Also, Tibet's demographics have drastically changed through Han Chinese immigration due to population transfer programs.

Source for population transfer programs: WebCite query result

Now, please stop brining up the U.S. and its history in a discussion focused on China's territorial disputes with India.




I don't recall our country exterminating native Texans and Hawaiians in mass genocides.

Edit: My mistake. Didn't notice it was below_freezing posting.

Who told you that Tibet is not legitimate? The United States go to war or be forcibly occupied territories is legal? I am not surprised by your logic, but if you want to comment on China, you better have more evidence. Throw away your people of Tibet not like, those are just the slave aristocracy of Tibet, of course, the CIA's support, we abolished slavery, the Tibetan people are really happy that we invested heavily to develop Tibet, the Tibetan people like, of course, that the old master Noble is not happy, the United States certainly not pleased. However, there is no one surprised you have been spreading evil in the world, I need to find some evidence?

Another so-called structural changes in the population of Tibet is a lie, any substantial changes are possible, if you say a small amount of other ethnic groups into Tibet, such as HAN or HUI, it is possible, but what surprised? Tibetans have access to the Mainland you surprised?

You look really data, it comes from the sixth national census in 2010 communique.

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全区常住人口中，藏族人口为2716389人，其他少数民族人口为40514人，汉族人口为245263人。藏族和其他少数民族人口占91.83%（其中：藏族人口占90.48%，其他少数民族人口占1.35%）；汉族人口占8.17%。同2000年第五次人口普查相比，藏族人口增加289221人，其他少数民族人口增加9923人，汉族人口增加86693人。

Resident population in the region, the Tibetan population of 2,716,389 people, other ethnic population of 40,514 people, the Han population of 245,263 people. Tibetan and other minority population accounts for 91.83% (of which: Tibetan population accounts for 90.48%, other ethnic minority population accounts for 1.35%); Han population accounts for 8.17%. The same compared to the fifth census in 2000, the Tibetan population 289,221 people, other minority population 9923 people, the Han population 86,693 people.

Han population of 1 billion people, after 60 years, HAN's population only increased to 200,000 population, this is any indication that there is a plan? You can be more absurd?

 

[Infiltrator]

Who told you that Tibet is not legitimate? The United States go to war or be forcibly occupied territories is legal? I am not surprised by your logic, but if you want to comment on China, you better have more evidence. Throw away your people of Tibet not like, those are just the slave aristocracy of Tibet, of course, the CIA's support, we abolished slavery, the Tibetan people are really happy that we invested heavily to develop Tibet, the Tibetan people like, of course, that the old master Noble is not happy, the United States certainly not pleased. However, there is no one surprised you have been spreading evil in the world, I need to find some evidence?

Another so-called structural changes in the population of Tibet is a lie, any substantial changes are possible, if you say a small amount of other ethnic groups into Tibet, such as HAN or HUI, it is possible, but what surprised? Tibetans have access to the Mainland you surprised?

You look really data, it comes from the sixth national census in 2010 communique.

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全区常住人口中，藏族人口为2716389人，其他少数民族人口为40514人，汉族人口为245263人。藏族和其他少数民族人口占91.83%（其中：藏族人口占90.48%，其他少数民族人口占1.35%）；汉族人口占8.17%。同2000年第五次人口普查相比，藏族人口增加289221人，其他少数民族人口增加9923人，汉族人口增加86693人。

Resident population in the region, the Tibetan population of 2,716,389 people, other ethnic population of 40,514 people, the Han population of 245,263 people. Tibetan and other minority population accounts for 91.83% (of which: Tibetan population accounts for 90.48%, other ethnic minority population accounts for 1.35%); Han population accounts for 8.17%. The same compared to the fifth census in 2000, the Tibetan population 289,221 people, other minority population 9923 people, the Han population 86,693 people.

Han population of 1 billion people, after 60 years, HAN's population only increased to 200,000 population, this is any indication that there is a plan? You can be more absurd?

Who told me? No one. It's my opinion which I'm entitled to. Although, for your information, I base my opinion on the fact Tibet was independent before 1950.

Yes, we go to war. We're all known for that.

Tibetan people are happy with the Chinese? That's news to me? Any non-Chinese sources?

In regards to the population change, I did my research. The CTA claim different numbers than the Chinese do. I'm not trusting the Chinese census of Tibet just like you wouldn't trust anything on Free Tibet.org and call anything anti-China or should I say non pro-China as propaganda.

Now, if you want to further discuss whether China's claims to Tibet are legitimate or not, do it elsewhere. This thread is about China and India.

 

[jdme]

Bringing California to discussion is pointless. Most countries expanded by force back then (and some had colonies). If you had ability to keep that land, good for you. But you cannot claim, in 21st century, a certain piece of land based on some victory you had say 500 years ago (the land you obviously lost hence your claim is NULLIFIED!). You can keep what you have, one way are another. I doubt any Chinese person wants to handover HK to UK.

 

[huzihaidao12]

I have to expose your lies, the so-called Tibetan population change plan., I do not mind to continue. If you said China believed the statement is not enough, then I can tell you that the West is not enough information source, as was the dependent to see why. and then at least it is fair.

Then let us see next what is my basis?

The abolition of serfdom in Tibet and carried out land reform in the 1950S, ordinary Tibetan people is not serfs but equal national, the Tibetan people also get a piece of their land and property, this is the first time in thousands of years. I ask anyone to upset as from slavery? Agian anyone would be unhappy to get their land and property? the rebellion in Tibet was organized by those not willing to lose the dominant position of the slave owners, not the Tibetan people, this is another good example.

Have you read the so-called Tibetan people march news, if you look carefully, you will find all the riots were composed by some Lama, almost no ordinary person, that's enough description. Some Lama for their own interests, incited by the foreign forces. Tibetan people are happy to improve their own lives.