China’s Territorial Disputes with India

[huzihaidao12]

I've Been following the discussion for a long time. It seems all of you have forgotten about general Zorawar Singh .

what about the historical claims on Aksai Chin from the Indian side ?

More clearly to illustrate your point, sir, I really do not know what you want to prove with this article? British colonial?

By similar logic we can say -- Tibet when under Direct control of the Manchus was Manchu territory not Han Chinese ( present day PRC ) territory...

You misunderstand, I did not oppose it, you think the historical factors can to ignore, I do not think so.

 

[OrionHunter]

You need to know one thing, history according is an important reason for the inheritance of sovereignty, each state is so, including India, all of our territories are inherited from history. But history according not ignore. I also said that China has at least historical basis. what India? you to occupy a territory, or even never belong to India in the history, it is not aggression?

Oh! History? So in the same vein or logic, all Commonwealth nations that were once part of the British Empire can be claimed by the British now as they ruled them once upon a time? Such lame arguments need to be trashed once and for all as they make no sense at all in the 21st Century. You need to get out of your house and smell the world around you!

Cheers!

 

[huzihaidao12]

Oh! History? So in the same vein or logic, all Commonwealth nations that were once part of the British Empire can be claimed by the British now as they ruled them once upon a time? Such lame arguments need to be trashed once and for all as they make no sense at all in the 21st Century. You need to get out of your house and smell the world around you!

Cheers!

You can more understand understand my words, not so distorted? China's territory all from the the inheritance of history, you think what is that?

 

[臺灣省委書記蔡英文]

China has problems almost with all it's neighbours .

Chk South China Sea .

because all his neighbours , more or less,are influenced by American

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

More clearly to illustrate your point, sir, I really do not know what you want to prove with this article? British colonial?

The fact that certain monarches or generals of Indian Stock ( General Zorawar Singh was a Dogra Rajput ) ..have at times captured and controlled territory in Tibet as illustrated by the article . Likewise certain times Tibetan independent kingdoms have captured territory in certain areas currently under PRC and under India , likewise Chinese emperors in the past have captured and conquered territories of Tibet etc .

So the point is just because in a certain period of time eg . ( certain AD to certain AD ) Han Chinese gained control of the land cannot mean in present day it has a claim over those lands .

That way in a certain period of time ( certain AD to certain AD ) Indian people ( Rajputs , Sikhs etc ) have gained control of the same land too , so we have an equal claim over it that way .

Hence according to international convention -- "present day " territories under either Chinese occupation ( Tibet & Aksai chin ) or under either Indian occupation ( Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh ) should not be changed by either side basing on historical claims ---Both sides have historical claims on each other's territory as you can see .

You misunderstand, I did not oppose it, you think the historical factors can to ignore, I do not think so.

Okay I get your viewpoint , that historical claims are not to be ignored . On the other hand , Indian viewpoint is that Historical claims cannot be considered in the modern times .

Reason I 've mentioned is that certain lands have been under control of certain empires at different times in history . How will you decide who has absolute claim ?
Because of this reason negotiation is easier when you consider territories under current occupation to remain under occupation by respective countries . Any attempt to change borders will result in bad relations and war.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

because all his neighbours , more or less,are influenced by American

Funny , do you also consider Vietnamese influenced by America ?

 

[Tractor]

Better no solid boundaries but actual lines-in-control to keep each one holding the hot pot.

 

[below_freezing]

But there is no protest by anyone in Texas or Hawaii against US rule but millions of Tibetans are protesting Chinese rule.

Because those who have the ability to protest were exterminated by the US Army.

We could also have no protests without even exterminating Tibetans. Just deport them the way Stalin did.

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

Because those who have the ability to protest were exterminated by the US Army.

We could also have no protests without even exterminating Tibetans. Just deport them the way Stalin did.

Pass along whatever you're smokin' man.

 

[chineseman]

Why? Because Manchu conquerors gave you AP? Then the British conquerors came and took AP, and India got it? Fare game. In that case Pakistan should give back the western parts back to Afghanistan, because the British took that part from the Afghans.

hi, friend, i think chinese situation and indian situation shall be dramatically different, when it comes to being ruled or conquered.

yes, Han people was defeated by manchu, but it's only something on the surface, actually in the next more than 200 years after manchu defeated han physically, Han again had successfully defeated mancu culturally, becuase Han's traditional culture was so convincing and advnaced, the excellent culture has gained recognition from all ethnic groups, gradually all people from different ethnic groups were assimilated. today we don't have too many cares on who is han or not, cuz after thousands of years marriage between different ethnic groups, it's hard to find a pure han people or manchu people. the cohesion for chinese is the language and the culture.
still one thing you should know today's china is the china consisting of 56 ethnic groups which include manchu and mogolian and han; china's not Han's china, it's home to 56 ethnic group.

 

[Galaxy]

because all his neighbours , more or less,are influenced by American

Not Exactly, India is not influenced by American. So, Vietnam. Yes, I agree any kind of aggressive move will invite Europe + U.S.

China should develop good relations with its neighbours. It would be difficult to manage so many enemies on all side. It will be trapped.

 

[Ammyy]

because all his neighbours , more or less,are influenced by American

Dnt worry we will never allow Americans in our soil

But china forcing all its neighbors to do that

 

[chineseman]

Not Exactly, India is not influenced by American. So, Vietnam. Yes, I agree any kind of aggressive move will invite Europe + U.S.

China should develop good relations with its neighbours. It would be difficult to manage so many enemies on all side. It will be trapped.

nobody wants to have enemies, but it seems china will have to give up all the legitimate rights on territories to exchange your friendship, the cost is so high, actually it's common to encounter this kind of situation, china's neighbor: Japan which has territorial disputes with russian, korean, china. same as what you said having disputes with all neighbors, but we can not say Janpan has a invasive nature. it's quite common, don't extend it to some other fields. thanks.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

nobody wants to have enemies, but it seems china will have to give up all the legitimate rights on territories to exchange your friendship, the cost is so high, actually it's common to encounter this kind of situation, china's neighbor: Japan which has territorial disputes with russian, korean, china. same as what you said having disputes with all neighbors, but we can not say Janpan has a invasive nature. it's quite common, don't extend it to some other fields. thanks.

Thats why it is so important to come to the negotiating table , instead of rhetoric , threats and aggressive action.

Certainly China has legitimate rights over the resources , but so do the neighboring countries . The only solution is peaceful negotiation and compromise even if it takes so much longer.

 

[mastaan]

Arunachal for Aksai Chin, Problem resolved, India and China progress.

Thank god, you're not the negotiator! I am no expert, but this is certainly not a way to resolve this sort of a dispute... and is simply loose negotiations... what do you think china will do after you hand over AP? Sit silent and do nothing? and What will you tell your fellow countrymen in Arunachal.. Oh, we bartered you! it doesn't even qualify for a PJ...