China-Russia-Saudi Arabia: Globe's Next Superpower

[Omar1984]

To ditch the west would be extremely stupid. To just go and start the news rattling and bashing ending with waving is by farm the greatest sign of a destabilized country and a country that can barely it's own people.

What we need is good relations with all countries of the world regardless. Boost economy and education and focus on that areas something we have so far achieved flawlessly.

Saudi Arabia can use its oil resources as a tool to pressure the west not to invade or sanction Muslim countries, but I think there is no such thing as Muslim brotherhood in today's world sadly

 

[Mosamania]

When did Abdullah effectively take power ?

2003. One of his first things to do was to kick the American bases out of the country.

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Saudi Arabia can use its oil resources as a tool to pressure the west not to invade or sanction Muslim countries, but I think there is no such thing as Muslim brotherhood in today's world sadly

How?? Like we did when US was sending troops to Israel in 1973?? How did that turn out? We ended up under colonial occupation for 30 years ever since. Let us be able to watch our own back first against such things.

 

[Edevelop]

Saudi Arabia can use its oil resources as a tool to pressure the west not to invade or sanction Muslim countries, but I think there is no such thing as Muslim brotherhood in today's world sadly

You have absolutely no idea how much oil U.S has. Most of what they have is undeclared partly due to the fact that they stole from Iraq, Kuwait, North Pole, Canada....

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List of countries by proven oil reserves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Generally Khan]

Saudi Arabia can use its oil resources as a tool to pressure the west not to invade or sanction Muslim countries, but I think there is no such thing as Muslim brotherhood in today's world sadly

Like Gaddafi and Saddam tried to use oil? Besides there sure won't be any brotherhood if you are dead.

 

[Mosamania]

You have absolutely no idea how much oil U.S has. Most of what they have is undeclared partly due to the fact that they stole from Iraq, Kuwait, North Pole, Canada....

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List of countries by proven oil reserves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They dont dig their own oil you know. They are waiting for the world to run out of oil and then they will release their figures as to make the world dependent on everything they make in the future. Smart move if you ask me.

 

[FriendOfPakistan]

Well, if as you claim, Abdullah truly is taking the country away from the US, towards independence and serious economic development, the US will try to replace him. Since he is 88 years old, the USA probably need not assassinate him, but will do its best to ensure his successor is much more obedient, as happened with Faisal. How many more years can he be expected to be alive ... 2,3, 4 ?

 

[aakash_2410]

@Mosamania

We love Saudi people, we have nothing against them in fact we're grateful to them for providing us with oil. BUT for us non-Muslims Saudi has no significance apart from the oil they're sitting on. If you take Mecca and Medina and oil away from Saudi Arabia what do you think Saudi will be like? You#re probably thinking I'm a*s burnt because India name is not mentioned but to be honest India is not ready to be superpower yet, we've got decades to go.

As a neutral person I'd agree with Iranians on this. Iran is way more powerful and socially forward than Saudi. They have the one of the most powerful armies in the world and MOST IMPORTANTLY they're self-reliant unlike Saudi. Their laws are STILL more liberal than Saudi's. In Saudi women can't drive, they can't go out alone without their male guardian, till very recently they can't even vote. I mean you guys banned Pokemon just because it had a star in it which resembled David's star so apparently CARTOON NETWORK was promoting 'Zionism.' I mean that's absurd you've gotta agree with me on that? And you have Pakistani soldiers to protect you, Indian doctors to cure you (you being doctor yourself should know this.), And other expats to clean your cities.

And most importantly Iran has guts stand against anyone whether be it USSR or America but you guys don't do anything without America's 'co-operation'. I'm not anti-Arab it's just that I'm very PRO-ARYANS.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1243307.stm

 

[IndoUS]

I can agree with China as the next super power and, Russia as a military super power but economically Russia hasn't done that well, but if they have some economic reform and better management system then I can see their economy improving. As for Saudi Arabia I am not too sure, I don't really know that much about the Saudi economy, but considering that they are big exporter of oil they should have good revenue, however in the long run the oil won't last forever, so unless the Saudi have other large industries its hard to say. As for the military of Saudi's I know that they pretty up to date equipment and are in my opinion better equipped than both Indian and Pakistani army of that matter, but they also rely heavily on the west for their equipment so it is hard to say anything of yet.

 

[FriendOfPakistan]

Based on current extraction rates and oil reserves (assuming all are recoverable) SA has another 50-100 years of oil production at current rates. (However, it is not clear if that rate can be sustained ... when wells get closer to be empty). With that assumption in place, and looking to next 50 years, it looks like SA will still be an oil rich country.

(260 billion barrels @ 10 million barrels / day gives about 70 years or so)

Mosa, looks like you will be safe till retirement time ...

 

[Mosamania]

@Mosamania

We love Saudi people, we have nothing against them in fact we're grateful to them for providing us with oil. BUT for us non-Muslims Saudi has no significance apart from the oil they're sitting on. If you take Mecca and Medina and oil away from Saudi Arabia what do you think Saudi will be like? You#re probably thinking I'm a*s burnt because India name is not mentioned but to be honest India is not ready to be superpower yet, we've got decades to go.

As a neutral person I'd agree with Iranians on this. Iran is way more powerful and socially forward than Saudi. They have the one of the most powerful armies in the world and MOST IMPORTANTLY they're self-reliant unlike Saudi. Their laws are STILL more liberal than Saudi's. In Saudi women can't drive, they can't go out alone without their male guardian, till very recently they can't even vote. I mean you guys banned Pokemon just because it had a star in it which resembled David's star so apparently CARTOON NETWORK was promoting 'Zionism.' I mean that's absurd you've gotta agree with me on that? And you have Pakistani soldiers to protect you, Indian doctors to cure you (you being doctor yourself should know this.), And other expats to clean your cities.

And most importantly Iran has guts stand against anyone whether be it USSR or America but you guys don't do anything without America's 'co-operation'. I'm not anti-Arab it's just that I'm very PRO-ARYANS.

Okay you do make some VERY legitimate arguments and I am realist not someone living in the clouds. Thank you for finally someone coming up with a respectful way to debate for a change.

okay lets take it case by case:
1-Take Oil, Makkah and Madinah out then you won't even have Saudi Arabia we would be worse off than Africa even much much worse I would probably never have ever been born because before Oil discovery we had a 50% (I think it was higher) Infant mortality rate. But then again taking these things out is like saying "Take the population out of India and China and take the science and Industry out of US" which would be a very broad statement that doesn't prove anything.

2-Iran DOES have many things in which it is ahead of us in. I agree. They started Industrialization ahead of us they got their scientific boom ahead of us and they were forced into becoming self-reliant unlike us I didn't disagree with that once.

3-Saudi women can get out of the house without male guardians and they can do many many stuff which the Global media keeps saying they can't my sister is in a gym learning Tae Kown Do she leaves the house whenever she wants go to wherever she wants by Taxi or the Bus and as you said "Recently able to vote" translations "We are improving".

4-I have to thank that Pokemon incident with the bottom of my heart really it is probably the main reason I am liberal as well as almost the entire next generation who are angry because the Cartoon was canceled on false claims we learned later after growing up they are not true and reshaped our entire way of thinking. That Pokemon incident left a deep scar in our society that was a wake up smack sort to speak. I still remember to this day how school was the week it was cancelled and Pokemon cards and toys became banned its like all the kids of Saudi Arabia entered a state of depression. That Pokemon incident was the religious clergy's gravest mistake.

5-We do NOT have Pakistani soldiers to protect us and most doctors we get from other countries are either Pakistani or from Arabic countries however the number of Saudi doctors is increasing greatly last year we established 39% Saudization of Doctor's profession which will only go up with time. However there is an overhaul of the health system and hundreds of big hospitals are being built which will require more doctors to meet the increasingly growing population so the Doctor's Saudization 100% is going to wait longer for a bit.

6-The situation in Iran is not about "Having guts" and "Not having guts" Iran is following its revolutionary way and this complies them to take the stance they are in. Also the Geopolitical landscape of Iran is not as simple as it has been made to sound. There is great complexities that go in these things you have Supreme-Leader and President who don't seem to like each other you have a population that likes the president and you have one that like Khameini and you have one that doesn't like any "Green revolution" Basij and other complexities that go into it over simplifying things is not a good thing.

7-The same complexities that go into Iran's system also go into Saudi Arabia's system. You have ruling factions you have SANG and you have Army. You have religious clergy and you have Liberals.and many other things that will need a specialized book to explain them all. So the whole America's co-operation thingy also depends on a lot of factors and over-simplifying the issue is again unhealthy in this situation.

 

[Mosamania]

Based on current extraction rates and oil reserves (assuming all are recoverable) SA has another 50-100 years of oil production at current rates. (However, it is not clear if that rate can be sustained ... when wells get closer to be empty). With that assumption in place, and looking to next 50 years, it looks like SA will still be an oil rich country.

(260 billion barrels @ 10 million barrels / day gives about 70 years or so)

Mosa, looks like you will be safe till retirement time ...

Our Oil minister has a quote that I simply loved:
"The stone age didn't end for lack of stone" Meaning it doesn't matter if we have 70 years of 7 hours the Non-oil economy MUST go up. It is going up quite good but not good enough. http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/150431-kingdoms-nonoil-exports-rise-34-42-89bn-q3.html as far as I am concerned this is still not good enough. We are posed to have a very good non-oil growth this year with starting of car manufacturing and all but still not good enough.

 

[aakash_2410]

Okay you do make some VERY legitimate arguments and I am realist not someone living in the clouds. Thank you for finally someone coming up with a respectful way to debate for a change.

okay lets take it case by case:
1-Take Oil, Makkah and Madinah out then you won't even have Saudi Arabia we would be worse off than Africa even much much worse I would probably never have ever been born because before Oil discovery we had a 50% (I think it was higher) Infant mortality rate. But then again taking these things out is like saying "Take the population out of India and China and take the science and Industry out of US" which would be a very broad statement that doesn't prove anything.

2-Iran DOES have many things in which it is ahead of us in. I agree. They started Industrialization ahead of us they got their scientific boom ahead of us and they were forced into becoming self-reliant unlike us I didn't disagree with that once.

3-Saudi women can get out of the house without male guardians and they can do many many stuff which the Global media keeps saying they can't my sister is in a gym learning Tae Kown Do she leaves the house whenever she wants go to wherever she wants by Taxi or the Bus and as you said "Recently able to vote" translations "We are improving".

4-I have to thank that Pokemon incident with the bottom of my heart really it is probably the main reason I am liberal as well as almost the entire next generation who are angry because the Cartoon was canceled on false claims we learned later after growing up they are not true and reshaped our entire way of thinking. That Pokemon incident left a deep scar in our society that was a wake up smack sort to speak. I still remember to this day how school was the week it was cancelled and Pokemon cards and toys became banned its like all the kids of Saudi Arabia entered a state of depression. That Pokemon incident was the religious clergy's gravest mistake.

5-We do NOT have Pakistani soldiers to protect us and most doctors we get from other countries are either Pakistani or from Arabic countries however the number of Saudi doctors is increasing greatly last year we established 39% Saudization of Doctor's profession which will only go up with time. However there is an overhaul of the health system and hundreds of big hospitals are being built which will require more doctors to meet the increasingly growing population so the Doctor's Saudization 100% is going to wait longer for a bit.

6-The situation in Iran is not about "Having guts" and "Not having guts" Iran is following its revolutionary way and this complies them to take the stance they are in. Also the Geopolitical landscape of Iran is not as simple as it has been made to sound. There is great complexities that go in these things you have Supreme-Leader and President who don't seem to like each other you have a population that likes the president and you have one that like Khameini and you have one that doesn't like any "Green revolution" Basij and other complexities that go into it over simplifying things is not a good thing.

7-The same complexities that go into Iran's system also go into Saudi Arabia's system. You have ruling factions you have SANG and you have Army. You have religious clergy and you have Liberals.and many other things that will need a specialized book to explain them all. So the whole America's co-operation thingy also depends on a lot of factors and over-simplifying the issue is again unhealthy in this situation.

I agree with most of your points mate that Saudi indeed is getting more liberal as we speak.

But if you look as ALL THE past super powers/empires Greek empire, Roman empire, British empire, America, USSR they had some stuff in common.
1) Young and relatively large population
2) Thriving industries and one of the biggest economies
3) Arguably the most powerful armies of their times
4) Large land area
5) Soft power

Even China isn't quite there yet. And India is decade or 2 behind China as well. I'm sure Saudi is a regional power and can become Great power but Super power in real sense? I doubt it but heyy you never know. Good luck to your country and your people.

 

[Mosamania]

I agree with most of your points mate that Saudi indeed is getting more liberal as we speak.

But if you look as ALL THE past super powers/empires Greek empire, Roman empire, British empire, America, USSR they had some stuff in common.
1) Young and relatively large population
2) Thriving industries and one of the biggest economies
3) Arguably the most powerful armies of their times
4) Large land area
5) Soft power

Even China isn't quite there yet. And India is decade or 2 behind China as well. I'm sure Saudi is a regional power and can become Great power but Super power in real sense? I doubt it but heyy you never know. Good luck to your country and your people.

I never said we will be a "Global Superpower" maybe if we establish a union confederate between Current GCC states, Egypt and Syria, and perhaps Algeria as well then maybe. But until then close to impossible to be a Global Superpower.

 

[Developereo]

We need to fight back with the propaganda machine of the west, but we can't do that directly. So, for now the best way is to censor the western propaganda when necessary. Why should we let them spread their lies about us in our state?

Information is power, misinformation even more so. The Western media is the most formidable weapon; far more powerful than the militaries.

When you control the airwaves, you control the mind of a nation, and its leaders. That is why the Zionist-dominated Western media holds the Western governments by the b*lls to do Israel's bidding.

Censorship is never the answer the most thing we censor is **** and not politics. Again my point here is "Nothing" should be censored except ****.

Yes, censorship is just playing defense. It is far better to play offense by spreading one's own narrative. The only two groups that do propaganda well are the Zionists and the Indians. Even the Chinese and Japanese, for all their technical savvy, are hopelessly amateurish in their propaganda. As for Muslims -- Arab, Iranian and others -- we are all pathetic at propaganda.

The multi-billion dollar joke called Al-Jazeera is a textbook example of how not to do propaganda. Propaganda is only effective when done surreptitiously, like in the Western media. Chances are the idiot Emir of Qatar asked his Western consultants how to enter the media game and, under their 'guidance', he spent billions on an organization that is instantly ignored by most non-Arabs in the world.

 

[FriendOfPakistan]

Well, I have read those figures about non-oil exports. IRI Gov't boasts also ($32 billion in 9 months ... or almost $40 billion /yr ... which would be much higher percentage of oil exports since Iran exports much less than SA)
PressTV - Iran's non-oil export hits $31.9 billion in nine months

But let's be honest, most of those exports are still oil and gas related, whether plastics, other petrochemicals, pretty much all oil/gas derivatives. So, all those non-oil exports are derived either from natural gas or oil. Only Turkey has achieved real numbers and items in non-oil exports. Neither Iran nor SA have developed real non-oil exports ...

Our Oil minister has a quote that I simply loved:
"The stone age didn't end for lack of stone" Meaning it doesn't matter if we have 70 years of 7 hours the Non-oil economy MUST go up. It is going up quite good but not good enough. http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/150431-kingdoms-nonoil-exports-rise-34-42-89bn-q3.html as far as I am concerned this is still not good enough. We are posed to have a very good non-oil growth this year with starting of car manufacturing and all but still not good enough.