China Planemaker Gets New Orders in Fight With Airbus, Boeing

[Keel]

Sure...As you wish...

What's Clogging China's Air Traffic Pipeline? -

Let me know if you need anymore 'data'.

You have a loser mentality man
This discussion was ended several posts before the above. Track it back to locate the key reason for the diversion of flight routes and let me say this to you if you are bored to find someone for a dialogue, I am not going to feed you for another round of nonsense.

 

[gambit]

You have a loser mentality man
This discussion was ended several posts before the above. Track it back to locate the key reason for the diversion of flight routes and let me say this to you if you are bored to find someone for a dialogue, I am not going to feed you for another round of nonsense.

Hmmm...It looks like you need more data. Not a problem...

http://old-www.arct.cam.ac.uk/Documents/ATIO2008_FlightInefficiency.pdf

Intercontinental flights that do not involve oceanic segments are presented in Figure 9 for flights from Europe to Asia. Note that these tracks involve nearly 2500 flights and yet are concentrated into a relatively small number of major flows from central Europe eastwards. This can be attributed to the small number of international jet routes available in these regions, coupled to the large areas of restricted airspace (especially over China and Russia), political factors, strict overflight rules and inhospitable terrain. This concentration into a small number of flows leads to relatively high lateral inefficiencies, with extra track distances of up to 1200 nm being observed, with major adverse environmental and economic consequences due to the extra fuel burn.

But I will sum it up for you: The PLA inept control of China's domestic airspace create higher operational costs for any airline flying in China.

 

[yusheng]

I would stick to the Boeings and the Airbuses for now.

seems you don't know boeings and airbuses are made in China ?? just check how many factories of boeing and airbus in China.

 

[imiakhtar]

seems you don't know boeings and airbuses are made in China ??

Boeing doesn't have a final assembly line in China.

Airbus does in Tianjin for the A320 family.

The Airbus FAL is setup and operated in the same way as the Toulouse, Hamburg and soon the Mobile, Alabama FAL.

Airbus employees in Tianjin follow the same manufacturing and strict QC procedures.

If you want to know where the indigenous Chinese aircraft manufacturing capabilities are, you need to look at the Xian M60/600 and ARJ-21.

The Xian product is NOT certified to FAA/EASA standards.

The ARJ-21 is still NOT airworthy despite being largely based off the Mad-Dog design with the original McDonnell tooling used and Antonov wing specialists helping out.

 

[Keel]

Boeing doesn't have a final assembly line in China.

Airbus does in Tianjin for the A320 family.

The Airbus FAL is setup and operated in the same way as the Toulouse, Hamburg and soon the Mobile, Alabama FAL.

Airbus employees in Tianjin follow the same manufacturing and strict QC procedures.

If you want to know where the indigenous Chinese aircraft manufacturing capabilities are, you need to look at the Xian M60/600 and ARJ-21.

The Xian product is NOT certified to FAA/EASA standards.

The ARJ-21 is still NOT airworthy despite being largely based off the Mad-Dog design with the original McDonnell tooling used and Antonov wing specialists helping out.

I think @yusheng has given his answer for the Airbus plants in China properly

ARJ-21 is going to complete its national certification by end of 2014/early 2015. It will go on trying to obtain its FAA certification next. It is designed as regional jets on short hauls. It is saleable to foreign countries where EU/USA flight standards are not required. Once its FAA certification is obtained, it will surely widened its scope of marketing, a lot! ARJ-21 series and MA 60 series have different market niches.

Since we are not experienced in designing and making commercial airliners independently, it is a prudent start to have experienced professionals helping us on areas where we dont feel comfortable. Overtime we can do it ALL on our own.

Nonetheless, I havent heard about any other Asian countries, like India, Vietnam, the Philippines ... other than China and Japan have started projects of this size.

 

[BoQ77]

ARJ-21 is going to complete its national certification by end of 2014/early 2015. It will go on trying to obtain its FAA certification next (?). It is designed as regional jets on short hauls. It is saleable to foreign countries where EU/USA flight standards are not required. Once its FAA certification is obtained, it will surely widened its scope of marketing, a lot! ARJ-21 series and MA 60 series have different market niches.

Do you mean there's no Western passengers in those airliners and they don't act as alliances?

 

[Kyle Sun]

What's going on here ?