China, Philippines agree to safeguard peace in South China Sea

[peaceful]

It is a bit of an overkill, but Viets here don't think it's a problem for them. It's either they're incredibly stupid or incredibly ignorant of the capabilities of a carrier battle group. I suspect it's a bit of both. It's like a child holding a stick, telling a man with a gun how the stick could hurt him.

So far none of the Viets that posted on this forum any worthy knowledge in anything.

this the result of propaganda brainwashing for 3 decades.

the total situation can be completely changed if they were allowed to travel to China, see our way of life and the way we are changing our nation. Yet this is not going to happen. The regime in Hanoi would do whatever takes to stop their people to cross the border.

 

[S10]

Red: it means aircraft-carrier, right?????? Where is Varyag now? Have You finished a new dress for the scrap heap???

Everything is in place actually. SAC is producing J-15 fighter jets. 052C are being produced for fleet air defence in Shanghai. 054A frigates are being constructed in Guangzhou for anti-submarine warfare.

If Varyag is a scrap heap, then the entire Vietnamese navy would be floating trash.

this the result of propaganda brainwashing for 3 decades.

the total situation can be completely changed if they were allowed to travel to China, see our way of life and the way we are changing our nation. Yet this is not going to happen. The regime in Hanoi would do whatever takes to stop their people to cross the border.

Good, I don't want a single Viet coming to China.

 

[Viva_Viet]

These question still stands, and you are avoiding them. The carrier group does not need to get within 200 nautical miles to conduct their operation. The carrier battle group can operate anywher along your coast.

You still need to aquire target first, which will be difficult with ground radar because of earth's shape. Furthermore, you radars can be expected to be jammed in a war. Without satellite, UAV or AWACS to provide that target data, you are basically blind. Without mid-way guidance, there is nothing to provide updates to target data which severely limits missile range.

Also, missiles do not fly at 1.5m above sea surface. That is just an ignorant statement to make. Surface wave at sea regularly go above that height. Learn some basic high school science before you talk. Do they have high school in Vietnam? In addition, sea skimming targets have been the focus of fleet air defences for decades, so it's nothing new. We have operated Moskit missiles, with similar capabilities to Yakhont, for over 10 years. It's not difficult for us to counter.

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On two occasions we were going to take it back, and was forced to drop the plans because we had no way to overcome American fleets. However, it's been more than 15 years since then, and our naval capability has grown in comparison. Taiwan is only a matter of time, so is Vietnam getting kicked off the islands.

1. So, if your AC don't move inside our EEZ, no VNese care about you , stay out side and fight with US..Yakhont missile can fly at 1,5 m above the sea, but it can fly at 5 m also, not a big deal, you can not engage it aslo.

2.Only the matter of time ??Oh pls don't make me laugh, CHina almost have No Chance to beat US. naval forces

 

[peaceful]

Red: it means aircraft-carrier, right?????? Where is Varyag now? Have You finished a new dress for the scrap heap???

dude, we don't build carrier to handle vietnam.

we have enough small missile boats to eliminate your entire navy.

 

[S10]

1. So, if your AC don't move inside our EEZ, no VNese care about you , stay out side and fight with US..Yakhont missile can fly at 1,5 m above the sea, but it can fly at 5 m also, not a big deal, you can not engage it aslo.

Like I said, we can safely attack way outside of your missile range. Your missiles would be primary targets in war. We actually intercepted quite a few supersonic missiles already, and our Moskit flies even faster than Yakhont. If we could shoot that down, your toy is not a problem.

Don't avoid the question. How do you intend to aquire target and provide mid-course guidance without AWACS, UAV or satellite?

2.Only the matter of time ??Oh pls don't make me laugh, CHina almost have No Chance to beat US. naval forces

Time changes. In 16th century the British navy had no chance against Spanish navy. In 19th century the American navy had no chance against the British navy. How's the Spanish and British looking against Americans today?

I can safely say Vietnamese navy will always have no chance against China though.

 

[Nowaday]

If Varyag is a scrap heap, then the entire Vietnamese navy would be floating trash.

Varyag is not a scrap heap?????? China bought it and (made or making, hazzzzz not know) a new dress, then it's called Shi Lang. Where is Shi Lang now????

Well, we don't have aircraft carriers so we will be afraid of the China's aircraft carrier.

 

[AMCA]

I would consider it as a great insult to the navy if they need to use carrier groups to sink those fishing boats operated by the Vietnamese navy.

But the world would not be surprised if the Vietnamese fishing boats fish your Navy instead.

 

[Nowaday]

dude, we don't build carrier to handle vietnam.

we have enough small missile boats to eliminate your entire navy.

did I say that China build carrier to handle vietnam.???????

 

[Viva_Viet]

Like I said, we can safely attack way outside of your missile range. Your missiles would be primary targets in war. We actually intercepted quite a few supersonic missiles already, and our Moskit flies even faster than Yakhont. If we could shoot that down, your toy is not a problem.

Don't avoid the question. How do you intend to aquire target and provide mid-course guidance without AWACS, UAV or satellite?


Time changes. In 16th century the British navy had no chance against Spanish navy. In 19th century the American navy had no chance against the British navy. How's the Spanish and British looking against Americans today?

I can safely say Vietnamese navy will always have no chance against China though.

1. We will ask US's help to support us all kind of weapon we need, if they refuse, so we must be US.allies and ask for protection if you shoot us from out side of VN's EEZ.

btw: how to shoot the target in low flying like that, Mr.Gambit -Amercan think it only can be destroyed by Machine guns
2.Oki, let see when can you take Taiwan back, if you can not, so no one care about CHina's power

 

[S10]

Varyag is not a scrap heap?????? China bought it and (made or making, hazzzzz not know) a new dress, then it's Shi Lang now. Where is Shi Lang now????

Well, we don't have aircraft carriers so we will be afraid of the China's aircraft carrier.

Varyag was a brand new hull when purchased. It had been sitting in dry dock because Ukraine didn't have the money to finish building the ship. It was 60% finished. Scrap heap would be a ship ready to be retired, which is far from this case. The ship will set sail in a month or two.

Don't worry, you'll get your turn to have a taste of it.

But the world would not be surprised if the Vietnamese fishing boats fish your Navy instead.

With that? Big mouth?

 

[peaceful]

But the world would not be surprised if the Vietnamese fishing boats fish your Navy instead.

you lack the basic military knowledge is pretty typical for indians.

in terms of navy, we fought with them in 1974 and end of 1980s, check what happened to their sailors.
in terms of army, even their own member admitted the battle of 毛松岭 ( 12/July/1984) where ~3000 vietnamese troops were killed in the same morning with zero Chinese casualty.

when compared to the China-india war 1962, your eastern wing were completed destroyed within 2 hours, but we still suffered some minor casualties, the above battle I am talking about has zero Chinese casualty when 3000 vietnamese troops were KIA.

 

[peaceful]

With that? Big mouth?

by using indian plans, ideas, proposals, visions, futures, talks, presentations.

 

[S10]

1. We will ask US's help to support us all kind of weapon we need, if they refuse, so we must be US.allies and ask for protection if you shoot us from out side of VN's EEZ.

Weapons are great and all, but you need to find targets and track them first. If you have no eyes and ears, what good is all that weapon?

Just remember Americans are an ocean away, and we're right next to you.

btw: how to shoot the target in low flying like that, Mr.Gambit -Amercan think it only can be destroyed by Machine guns
2.Oki, let see when can you take Taiwan back, if you can not, so no one care about CHina's power

There are four layers to our fleet defence, each capable of engaging low flying targets both at supersonic and subsonic speed. First layer is HQ-9, a Chinese naval version of S-300PMU1. Second is HQ-15, with range up to 40km. Third is FL-3000N, range up to 10km. Lastly, we have terminal defence in the form of Type 730/1030 CIWS. We have conducted tests against these types of threats, and was successful.

As far as Taiwan goes, you'll see. Talk is cheap after all.

 

[S10]

you lack the basic military knowledge is pretty typical for indians.

in terms of navy, we fought with them in 1974 and end of 1980s, check what happened to their sailors.
in terms of army, even their own member admitted the battle of 毛松岭 ( 12/July/1984) where ~3000 vietnamese troops were killed in the same morning with zero Chinese casualty.

when compared to the China-india war 1962, your eastern wing were completed destroyed within 2 hours, but we still suffered some minor casualties, the above battle I am talking about has zero Chinese casualty when 3000 vietnamese troops were KIA.

Wrong, between 1984-1988, we lost 939 troops in battle and 3884 were wounded. Those can be found on Chinese military records. However, the performance of our army during that period was way better. We learned alot of lessons from 1979.

 

[peaceful]

Weapons are great and all, but you need to find targets and track them first. If you have no eyes and ears, what good is all that weapon?

Just remember Americans are an ocean away, and we're right next to you.

we can just launch some cheap rockets, 150km away from our border to their capital.
to be frankly honestly, it is damn bad idea to use Hanoi as capital, Saigon is much better.