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PRC was founded in 1949, India got Independence around same time. also US population is much smaller than China and India. why are you so afraid of comparing China with India to see how democracy shines?

It's simple. What the US and other advanced democracies are, India will be the same.

They are almost like heraditary, a family dynasty, which is unthinkable in China.

Of course, dynasty politics doesn't work in China. But that doesn't mean zilch in democracies. As I said, they were still elected, and they do not work from shadows. Everything is transparent.
 
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We'll be there waiting for you,

You are still far from being there.

do something about your hunger and stunted problems first.

Oh, don't worry about that. We will very quickly solve our problems. India's poverty line is already at 4% and below, and we are not even a $2500 per capita income country yet.

But what's funny is a countryman whose country is still in the Global Hunger Index has the audacity to about India's hunger.

As a Chinese, you can give your moral speech about hunger and stunting of other countries after you have left the GHI rankings. :lol:
 
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Much much closer than you are.

Much much better than you are.

It doesn't matter how close you are, you are still a developing country.

And once you get developed, you won't have freedom. So no, you are nowhere close to where the other advanced economies are.
 
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A small place is always easy to manage, if Shanghai , shenzhen are countries they can long be into first world

Shenzhen and Shanghai has benefited greatly from the talent, market, capital, and resources from the rest of China.

Small places are easier to manage domestically but difficult to navigate externally, especially when your neighbors regularly threatens you and deny you their markets. Small countries don't have the advantage of economies of scale and market size to lure in foreign investments, and you have to operate and maintain a expensive military at all times to deter unfriendly neighbors.

Singapore is run by one family , still fares pretty well.
So why not use an obvious reference, a country which has similar size of population and is a democracy, India, to compare?

Singapore has elections every 5 years. Lee Kuan Yew was authoritarian but he strongly believes in the rule of law and transparency. He also believes that authoritarianism has advantages for developing countries to learn and replicate while democracy is more advantageous in educated developed countries which have to depend on innovation for economic growth. China and India are very different anyway; India would probably disintegrate if they aren't democratic since they are just too diverse.


Evolution of my views on China and India

I have taken a deep interest in both China and India ever since I started my political life in 1950. Like all democratic socialists of the 1950s, I have tried to analyse and forecast which giant would make the grade. I had hoped it would be democratic India, not communist China.

By the 1980s I had become more realistic and accepted the differences between the two. It is simplistic to believe that democracy and free markets are the formula that must lead to progress and wealth. However, I am convinced the contrary axiom is true that central planning and state-owned or nationalised enterprises lead to inefficiency and poor returns, whether the government is authoritarian or democratic. Moreover, even if China and India were both democratic, or authoritarian or communist, their performance would be different. I now believe that, besides the standard economic yardsticks for productivity and competitiveness, there are intangible factors like culture, religion and other ethnic characteristics and national ethos that affect the outcome.

At the start after World War II, China was behind India. China’s infrastructure and population were devastated by the Japanese occupation from 1937-45. Then a civil war followed. After the Communist victory in 1949, China adopted the system of governance and economic policies of the Soviet Union.

At independence in August 1947, India had ample sterling balances, a good system of governance and many top-class institutions. It had functioning institutions for a democracy, the rule of law, a neutral highly-trained civil service, defence force and proficiency in the English language.

The situation deteriorated over time. India adopted central planning with results nearly as damaging as those of China. India’s political leaders are determined to reform but the Indian bureaucracy has been slower and resistant to change. Regional jostling and corruption do not help. Furthermore, populist democracy makes Indian policies less consistent, with regular changes in ruling parties. For example, Hangzhou and Bangalore are comparable cities. Hangzhou’s new airport opened in 2000; Bangalore’s has been on the drawing board for years and only given the go ahead by the state government in December 2004.

Why are the Chinese ahead

The Chinese are more homogeneous: 90% Han; one language and culture; one written script, with varying pronunciations. Having shared a common destiny over several millennia, they are more united as a people. And they can swiftly mobilise resources across the continent for their tasks.

China’s Deng Xiaoping started his open door policy in 1978. In the 28 years since China has more than tripled its per capita GDP, and the momentum of its reforms has transformed the lives of its people thus making its market reform policies irreversible.

India’s one billion people are of different ethnic groups with different languages, cultures and traditions. It recognises 18 main languages and 844 dialects and six main religions. India has to make continuous and great efforts to hold together different peoples who were brought together in the last two centuries into one polity by the British Raj that joined parts of the Mogul empire with the princely states in the Hindi-speaking north and the Tamil, Telegu and other linguistic/racial groups in the south.

India began liberalising in 1990, and then in fits and starts. However India’s system of democracy and rule of law gives it a long-term advantage over China, although in the early phases China has the advantage of faster implementation of its reforms. As China develops and becomes a largely urban society, its political system must evolve to accommodate a large, better educated middleclass that will be highly educated, better informed and connected with the outside world, one that expects higher quality of life in a clean environment, and wants to have its views heard by a government that is transparent and free from corruption.

China and India are to launch FTA negotiations that may be completed in a few years. I understand Premier Wen Jiabao will be visiting India soon, followed by President Hu Jintao shortly afterwards. Their closer economic will have a huge impact on the world. ASEAN and Singapore can only benefit from their closer economic links. Many Indians are in influential positions in Wall Street, in US MNCs, World Bank, IMF and research institutes and universities. This network will give India an extra edge. More Chinese are joining this American based international network but they do not yet have the same facility in the English language and culture. And because of Sino-US rivalry, there will be greater reserve when Americans interact with them.

For a modern economy to succeed, a whole population must be educated. The Chinese have developed their human capital more effectively through a nationalised education system. In 1999, 98% of Chinese children have completed 5 years of primary education as against 53% of Indian children. India did not have universal education and educational standards diverge much more sharply than in China. In some states like Kerala participation in primary schools is 90%. In some states it is less than 30%. Overall in 2001, India’s illiteracy rate was 42%, against China’s 14%.

India had many first-rate universities at independence. Except for a few top universities such as the Indian Institutes of Technology and Indian Institutes of Management that still rank with the best, it could not maintain the high standards of its many other universities. Political pressures made for quotas for admission based on caste or connections with MPs. China has repaired the damage the Cultural Revolution inflicted on their universities. Admission to Chinese universities is based on the entrance examination.

China has built much better physical infrastructure. China has 30,000 km of expressway, ten times as much as India, and six times as many mobile and fixed-line telephones per 1,000 persons. To catch up, India would have to invest massively in its roads, airports, seaports, telecommunications and power networks. The current Indian government has recognised this in its budget. It must implement the projects expeditiously.

The Chinese bureaucracy has been methodical in adopting best practices in their system of governance and public policies. They have studied and are replicating what Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong have done. China’s coastal cities are catching up fast. But China’s vast rural interior is lagging behind, exposing serious disparities in wealth and job opportunities. The central government is acutely aware of these dangers and have despatched some of the most energetic and successful mayors and provincial governors to these disadvantaged provinces to narrow the gap.

Caveat

The Financial Times, 29 March 2005, wrote: “The lack of a robust capital market is likely to have a strong influence on the future shape and development of Chinese capitalism. Cheap manufacturing might be China's current competitive advantage but, in the long run, Beijing planners want the country to move more into lucrative high-technology sectors that provide better-paying jobs. China will need a dynamic private sector, run by entrepreneurs who have the drive to build innovative companies. Yet it is exactly these sorts of companies that are being squeezed out by an equity market that caters mostly to state-controlled groups. Private-sector companies can get bank financing, especially if they have good political connections. Yet the lack of an equity funding route is likely to curtail China's ability to develop a strong private sector. In this area, many argue that India is already ahead, as most of its biggest companies come from the private sector and have grown through raising capital on the equity and bond markets. China needs a robust stock market to stave off a looming pensions crisis. One of the by-products of the one-child policy introduced 25 years ago is that in a decade or so many more people will be retiring than entering the workforce.” This is China’s big negative, its rapidly aging population as a result of its severe one-child family policy. There is no precedent for a country to grow old before it has grown rich. India – average age, 26, compared to China’s 33 and still with much faster population growth – will enjoy a bigger demographic dividend, but it would have to educate its people better, or else the opportunity will turn into a burden.

Singapore – More economic interaction with China than with India

For 10 years Singapore trained nearly 1,000 officials from Suzhou to plan, manage and develop an integrated township called the Suzhou Industrial Park. We trained them in various disciplines with the emphasis on the planning and management of an integrated city with industry, services, commerce, private and public housing, public utilities, schools, hospitals, parks, golf courses and recreational areas, sited all to be in 70 sq km. There were many difficult problems in the early years because of our different mindsets, although we share similar, but not identical, language and culture. However despite the travail, after 10 years the results are startling.

They have not only learned about the specific areas in which we instructed them, but they have observed how we have cleaned up Singapore and its waterways, greened it, planned, built and managed our public housing and town planning.

In 1994 Suzhou was dilapidated, canals stagnant and fetid, shorn of its charm as the “Venice of China”. Now they have flushed the canals and greened up their banks. Boutique restaurants, hotels, shopping malls and all the attractiveness of a well-lived modern city that preserved their old buildings, spruced up and refurbished. They studied what we have done in Singapore. What we took 40 years to do they were able to adopt, adapt and implement in 10 years.

Over a thousand Chinese officials, selected by different centres, the Communist Party’s Central Organisation Department, the Central Party School and the China Association of Mayors, have been studying Singapore’s system, its economic and social development, public administration, anti-corruption practices, financial management, human resource development, social security and taxation system, urban planning, management and social development. Several of them have taken Master’s degrees at NUS and NTU in Public Management, Public Policy and Business Administration and Managerial Economics.

They have selectively incorporated and bud-grafted specific policies they find useful. In several Chinese cities where Singapore’s Housing and Development Board has done public housing projects, they have been able to replicate these townships with improved designs for the flats to suit their different climatic conditions. The speed at which they have learned has no parallel anywhere else.

In India, Singapore's EDB and a JTC-led consortium invested in the International Technology Park of Bangalore (ITBP). It is a self-contained oasis, with independent power supply. The Park has become an icon showcasing India's accommodation of MNCs. The Indians have duplicated such "oases" in other cities, including the Hi-tech Park in Hyderabad and Tidel Park in Chennai. But the rate of replication appears slower than in China. Could it be bureaucratic inertia? Or are Indian private enterprises and consumers slower than the Chinese in the diffusion of technology and innovation, from one player to the next and one industry to another? Why are mobile phone penetration rates in China higher than in India? This School should study this phenomenon.

http://www.nas.gov.sg/archivesonline/speeches/view-html?filename=2005040401.htm
 
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"I don't have to live in China to picture what communism is about."
LOL This is epic typical Indian that can only get things done in their head and nothing in reality.
You should really get out of your ignorance bubble.
https://qz.com/india/1036479/visiting-china-upended-my-misconceptions-about-developing-countries/

What China needs is better communication and more bridges with the rest of the world. There are so many interesting internet contents in China, but it's a pity that many of them don't flow out to the rest of the world. Partly because of the firewall, partly because of the language.

If you look at the Koreans, many of their YouTube videos/MVs have English subtitles. Their viewers are predominantly foreigners who receive their content in English. Likewise for Japanese Anime.

OTOH most Chinese cultural products like MVs/singing competitions have no translation. There are many foreigners randomly stumbling into Chinese videos and got fascinated. They have to request for translation in the comments, but it often goes unanswered. What a waste of opportunity for greater Chinese cultural influence.
 
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