China-Pakistan alliance again comes up short on Kashmir (Actual Headline should be France rebuffs )

[Minho]

Typical discord tactics. If that is the case, why would China even bother to raise it? Again another blaming mentality by Indians. Let me put this clearly again. Fault is not on Chinese side.

The awareness of Kashmir suffering is at least heard by rest of the world. Unlike 4 other countries who don't do even a single thing. China even need to bear the wrath of India and even possible of boycott of Chinese products by Indians. Clearly show principle above profits.

To please Pakistan. And I have to disagree with you. Nothing has changed in Kashmir since August 5th with regards to Global Perception.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

LOL! That China which crushed Muslims in her own country somehow "does not behave in such a way"? You amaze me.
Lets see once more. Pakistan (rather China) exported JF-17 to Myanmar. The same country which massacred large number of ethnic Muslims. What gives?

You're the one making it a "Muslim" issue, not me.

Well obviously China has to keep placating Pakistan by acting like it cares about Kashmir. Nothing wrong with that, China has to look out for its interests.

So boycott China like you did Malaysia if you're so sure.

 

[BringHarmony]

You're the one making it a "Muslim" issue, not me.

Lemme listen that again. What is Pakistan biggest claim in Kashmir dispute? Why should Kashmir go to Pakistan? Whats the basis of that claim?

 

[Nasr]

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The United Nations is an impasse in itself. Anyone with even an iota of intellect knows that America, Britain and France are on one side, where as Russia and China, on the other. China's effort in the United Nations Security Council (a joke of an organization) is by no means "token" as the indiot news site put it. Rather another reminder to the three Zionist States (America, Britain & France) that their support for their pet "india" is not unchallenged. And that Pakistan is an important and very close Ally of China. As for Kashmir, it has become clear for the (inept, sleeping) world to see that this state will be the catalyst which will bring about planet earth's first "Nuclear War." India seems intent on playing it's cards in utter delusion and buffoonery, and as in the past, it will realize that Pakistan doesn't bluff and will launch an all out Nuclear Strike on it's enemy, if it meant that it's very existence was at stake.

 

[Beast]

Well obviously China has to keep placating Pakistan by acting like it cares about Kashmir. Nothing wrong with that, China has to look out for its interests.

Lol.. another sore loser comment. By your theory, China shall please India more to boast more trade by not talking about Kashmir and further increase our economy. And also help ensure, India will help China in Tibet issue.

From a beneficial point, isn't that a smarter moves?

Yet China decide to do otherwise? India being a bigger market and economy shall be a bigger pie for India and China doing things above profit decide to speak up against India for Kashmir more or less show there are something profit can't replace it.

India , a 2 trillion economy vs Pakistan 200 billion economy. China is losing out a lot by allies with Pakistan. But to China , that alliances cannot be replace with profit.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

They do, infact that was the first statement from China after India's movement in mid 2019.

You really don't understand China one bit do you??

Forget your problems with Chinese and Pakistani friendship....you simply can't get your head around how China works.

PRC stays QUIET about all its disputes. It doesn't cry to the UN. It doesn't cry to human rights watch. It is economically strong enough to deal with its issues quietly and carefully, drawing minimal attention to itself. It exerts leverage over India regarding its other border disputes, quietly nudging and manoeuvring into a stronger position.

India's move in Kashmir surprised everyone. China knows full well the UN isn't actually going to do anything about it. China wouldn't bother raising Kashmir with UN at all if not simply to voice support for its ally Pakistan.

Even IndiaNs here understand that China and Pakistan will simply vocally support each other regularly even if no tangible benefit comes out of that vocal support. Why are you struggling with this concept?

Lemme listen that again. What is Pakistan biggest claim in Kashmir dispute? Why should Kashmir go to Pakistan? Whats the basis of that claim?

No I mean you're talking about Myanmar and other disputes as if they're relevant just because "Muslims are involved".

 

[BringHarmony]

PRC stays QUIET about all its disputes.

Except it does : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-19754353

In a speech, China's foreign minister accused Japan of stealing the islands, which lie in the East China Sea.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

India , a 2 trillion economy vs Pakistan 200 billion economy. China is losing out a lot by allies with Pakistan. But to China , that alliances cannot be replace with profit.

This honourable stance will never be understood by those who remain envious of such things.

 

[Minho]

Lol.. another sore loser comment. By your theory, China shall please India more to boast more trade by not talking about Kashmir and further increase our economy. And also help ensure, India will help China in Tibet issue.

From a beneficial point, isn't that a smarter moves?

Yet China decide to do otherwise? India being a bigger market and economy shall be a bigger pie for India and China doing things above profit decide to speak up against India for Kashmir more or less show there are something profit can't replace it.

India , a 2 trillion economy vs Pakistan 200 billion economy. China is losing out a lot by allies with Pakistan. But to China , that alliances cannot be replace with profit.

Exactly. China values its strategic partnership with Pakistan. And both China and india know the UNSC will never take action on Kashmir, which is why Indo-Sino ties are still improving despite revocation of article 370. Nothing happens in the UN, Pakistan feels satisfaction that at least one country supported them, and the status quo remains. Win win for everyone.

BTW, I should clarify that i am not criticizing China. I am actually an advocate of improved Indo-Sino ties. if anything, I respect the maturity China has shown in handling the Kashmir dispute while still satisfying Pakistan.

 

[Kaniska]

You're the one making it a "Muslim" issue, not me.


So boycott China like you did Malaysia if you're so sure.

Boycotting China is beyond our paygrade..It is a hard fact...

 

[BringHarmony]

PRC stays QUIET about all its disputes. It doesn't cry to the UN.

More examples (https://time.com/4412191/nine-dash-line-9-south-china-sea/) :

For decades, Chinese schoolchildren have been taught that their homeland’s furthest southern reach was the underwater James Shoal (known in Chinese as Zengmu, a transliteration of “James”), which is located around 50 miles off the coast of Malaysia. Waters around the shoal are home to Malaysian oil and gas platforms. This geography lesson notwithstanding, Chinese maps gave scant attention to the South China Sea. That began to change after 2009, when a map with the nine-dash line was attached in a submission to the U.N. during a dispute with Vietnam.

 

[Minho]

The United Nations is an impasse in itself. Anyone with even an iota of intellect knows that America, Britain and France are on one side, where as Russia and China, on the other. China's effort in the United Nations Security Council (a joke of an organization) is by no means "token" as the indiot news site put it. Rather another reminder to the three Zionist States (America, Britain & France) that their support for their pet "india" is not unchallenged. And that Pakistan is an important and very close Ally of China. As for Kashmir, it has become clear for the (inept, sleeping) world to see that this state will be the catalyst which will bring about planet earth's first "Nuclear War." India seems intent on playing it's cards in utter delusion and buffoonery, and as in the past, it will realize that Pakistan doesn't bluff and will launch an all out Nuclear Strike on it's enemy, if it meant that it's very existence was at stake.

Russia has also blocked UNSC action on Kashmir

This honourable stance will never be understood by those who remain envious of such things.

Just curious, do you know China supports Myanmar on the Rohingya issue?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Except it does : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-19754353

Listen carefully and understand what's being said. China knows its economic might is the only way it can gain leverage in its disputes. Inevitably it will vocalise protestations because that's the usual protocol. It isn't foolish enough to think crying in the UN alone will solve its problems though.

Just curious, do you know China supports Myanmar on the Rohingya issue?

Pakistan sells jf17s to Myanmar. So what?

 

[Kaniska]

What will happen if Kashmir is discussed in UN? I mean, seriously ...what will be the impact on ground??

 

[Minho]

Listen carefully and understand what's being said. China knows its economic might is the only way it can gain leverage in its disputes. Inevitably it will vocalise protestations because that's the usual protocol. It isn't foolish enough to think crying in the UN alone will solve its problems though.


Pakistan sells jf17s to Myanmar. So what?

But isn't Myanmar committing human rights violations against Rohingyas?

BTW, I am only mentioning Rohingyas because you brought up principles. My point is principles don't matter, interests do. All the major world powers act in their interests, even though their interests aren't always moral.

BTW, thank you for that. Myanmar has used those thunders to eliminate many millitant groups that operate in NE India from Myanmar's soil.