China-Pakistan alliance again comes up short on Kashmir (Actual Headline should be France rebuffs )

[Ritual]

Lol... You talk about human right violation? If China really violate human right. Most of the HK rioters will long be dead on street. See Iran and Iraq of how they handles protestors. HK police are benevolent and China has the highest respect for human right. Yet western media only decide to focus problem on HK protest. See the ironic? It's never about human right but trying to being down China no matter what correct things China do.

Exactly. The Indians have turned off the internet in Kashmir since August because they are so fearful people will message each other and say something bad about India. If China did that in HK the US would never have let it go. They are complete hypocrites

 

[masterchief_mirza]

You do know what is happening in xinjiang, don't you?

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-uighur-monitor-home-shared-bed-report-2019-11
China is reportedly sending men to sleep in the same beds as Uighur Muslim women while their husbands are in prison camps

Old propaganda, debunked on a previous thread. Move along kid.

 

[BringHarmony]

To suggest it's just about money is an oversimplification for UK, USA and France. They have a crusades obsession that never seems to go away - France especially.

No, its money only. Remember these folks (US) sent its nuclear task force to support you folks even when you were doing massive human rights violation in east pakistan? Not to mention, Pakistan's best air platform is still F-16 which is regularly supplied by US as a reward for you promoting their foreign policy and interests?

Guess two can play this game.

Old propaganda, debunked on a previous thread. Move along kid.

Sorry, not a propaganda. Its the truth. I have talked to many people from mainland China, these are not propaganda.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

No, its money only. Remember these folks (US) sent its nuclear task force to support you folks even when you were doing massive human rights violation in east pakistan? Not to mention, Pakistan's best air platform is still F-16 which is regularly supplied by US as a reward for you promoting their foreign policy and interests?

Guess two can play this game.


Sorry, not a propaganda. Its the truth. I have talked to many people from mainland China, these are not propaganda.

The war on communism trumped the crusades during the 70s and 80s. I recall American military attaches virtually yelling Allahuakbar they were so happy to assist Afghanis against the Soviet army.

 

[BringHarmony]

The war on communism trumped the crusades during the 70s and 80s. I recall American military attaches virtually yelling Allahuakbar they were so happy to assist Afghanis against the Soviet army.

Thats exactly how world works. Permanent interests. Money is the most permanent interest. Right now that aligns with India, so France is helping India. Similarly how China is helping you. Do you really believe they have any "sympathy" for you?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Thats exactly how world works. Permanent interests. Money is the most permanent interest. Right now that aligns with India, so France is helping India. Similarly how China is helping you. Do you really believe they have any "sympathy" for you?

Ok here I agree partially. Obviously we have shared pecuniary Interests with China. However you're oversimplifying as usual. Shared interests become a sustained recurring theme, which leads to two parties taking a moral stand for each other over time, even at personal expense.

Like many have alluded to, China didn't need to raise Kashmir for us. Doing so brings no gain to China. It potentially brings China economic harm as we have seen how India responded to the respectable PM of Malaysia. So China has exposed itself by openly backing Pakistan. It can only be doing so out of a spirit of friendship and honouring that friendship, as it stands to gain nothing tangible from such efforts. CPEC will continue regardless of whether they speak up or not.

So as I said before, nice one PRC.

 

[BringHarmony]

Shared interests become a sustained recurring theme, which leads to two parties taking a moral stand for each other over time, even at personal expense.

Nope it does not happen unless there is indeed a relation of blood or religion. And then it happens because of popular support. Like sinking of ships between US and Britain in first world war was one reason that lead to US joining on allied side. US and UK had many families who shared blood. So not jumping in the war would have been awkward.

China and Pakistan has NO such bonds.

Infact, if I may, I feel this is a major flaw among Poon-ja-bee folks. They feel that business and blood always mix. It does not, infact it happens rarely. Pakistan has this feeling of US leaving them high and dry with Presler amendments. Again its the same issue : interests. And mark my words, when it comes to interests, China will do the same and probably has already done it.

Like many have alluded to, China didn't need to raise Kashmir for us.

True. They dont need to for your cause. They needed to do that to support their own position regarding perceived border disputes. Again, its business and not any filial feeling.

 

[airmarshal]

The discussion on this thread started on a news story from Times of India. The report is on Kashmir.

Can you believe a single piece of news quoted from Indian press on Kashmir or Pakistan?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Pakistan has this feeling of US leaving them high and dry with Presler amendments. Again its the same issue : interests. And mark my words, when it comes to interests, China will do the same and probably has already done it.

You're comparing US Pakistan relationship with China Pakistan one?

You really don't know your history.

"China–Pakistan relations began in 1951 when Pakistan was among the first countries to end official diplomatic relations with theRepublic of China (on Taiwan) and recognise the People's Republic of China (PRC) regime on Mainland China. "

USA has used Pakistan numerous times for its affairs, sometimes to Pakistan's benefit, usually not. We know this because of USA's derogatory treatment of Pakistan when push comes to shove.

China does not behave in such a way. Rightly or wrongly, the PRC has treated Pakistan with honour ever since our first historical interactions. Those who dispute this simply don't know the history of our two nations and the shared threats we have always faced. In China's time of need, Pakistan stepped up. China no longer "needs" Pakistan in that way but it does what it can for Pakistan in return.

Pakistan and USA could never ever have such an association.

 

[Beast]

No, its money only. Remember these folks (US) sent its nuclear task force to support you folks even when you were doing massive human rights violation in east pakistan? Not to mention, Pakistan's best air platform is still F-16 which is regularly supplied by US as a reward for you promoting their foreign policy and interests?

Guess two can play this game.


Sorry, not a propaganda. Its the truth. I have talked to many people from mainland China, these are not propaganda.

Lol.. another fake experience and keyboard warrior hiding behind computer and make up story. Try something new, ok?

 

[BringHarmony]

"China–Pakistan relations began in 1951 when Pakistan was among the first countries to end official diplomatic relations with theRepublic of China (on Taiwan) and recognise the People's Republic of China (PRC) regime on Mainland China. "

India literally birthed Bangladesh. China actually opposed to Indian involvement in conflict. Do you think Bangladesh will let an offer from China go down due to the fact that India was first to recognize it and China at that time opposed its creation? Just because India is opposed to China?

Nope! Thats not how politics work in real life.

USA has used Pakistan numerous times for its affairs, sometimes to Pakistan's benefit, usually not. We know this because of USA's derogatory treatment of Pakistan when push comes to shove.

Again, its always the interests. Arabs are supporting Israel of all places against Iran. The same folks cuss Jews like no tomorrow. What gives? Its never derogatory etc etc etc. Its the interests. Thats why politics make strange bedfellows.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

True. They dont need to for your cause. They needed to do that to support their own position regarding perceived border disputes. Again, its business and not any filial feeling.

You see this is plain wrong. China follows its own policy regarding arunachal Pradesh and other border disputes with India - they aren't hot disputes like Kashmir. China acts accordingly and proportionately against India on multiple fronts as it protects its interests against other nations too.

I reiterate that China bringing Kashmir to the UN table is indeed a brotherly gesture for Pakistan's benefit. Such an act does not help China significantly, nor does it somehow assist its claims on other border points between China and India.

 

[BringHarmony]

China does not behave in such a way.

LOL! That China which crushed Muslims in her own country somehow "does not behave in such a way"? You amaze me.
Lets see once more. Pakistan (rather China) exported JF-17 to Myanmar. The same country which massacred large number of ethnic Muslims. What gives?

 

[Minho]

Isn't China already doing that? Instead you shall put the problem on the 4 other countries. China is already doing what they can do. No fault on Chinese.

Well obviously China has to keep placating Pakistan by acting like it cares about Kashmir. Nothing wrong with that, China has to look out for its interests.

 

[BringHarmony]

they aren't hot disputes like Kashmir.

They do, infact that was the first statement from China after India's movement in mid 2019.