China-Pakistan alliance again comes up short on Kashmir (Actual Headline should be France rebuffs )

[masterchief_mirza]

The UN is a defunct organisation for Russia and China as they are outnumbered.

The veto system causes the UN to be broken anyway.

The UN categorically FAILS to empower ANY of the UNSC nations, with the exception of France because France is an ignored nation otherwise.

 

[BringHarmony]

What will happen if Kashmir is discussed in UN? I mean, seriously ...what will be the impact on ground??

Nothing. Leaving China, no one is bothered..... for now that is. It can change if you enter in some issue with US/UK and France. Or Russia for that matter. They have it as a leverage.

The UN is a defunct organisation for Russia and China as they are outnumbered.

The veto system causes the UN to be broken anyway.

The UN categorically FAILS to empower ANY of the UNSC nations, with the exception of France because France is an ignored nation otherwise.

You do understand that the same veto gives a lot of power to those two nations too.

Listen carefully and understand what's being said. China knows its economic might is the only way it can gain leverage in its disputes. Inevitably it will vocalise protestations because that's the usual protocol. It isn't foolish enough to think crying in the UN alone will solve its problems though.

Well then why is China doing the exact same thing you brand as "useless"?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Myanmar has used those thunders to eliminate many millitant groups that operate in NE India from Myanmar's soil.

While we're indulging in this mutual back patting, can I thank the brave folks of the Indian SAM battalion for downing an Indian military helicopter last February?

That was half a dozen terrorists killed in Kashmir. Thank you India.

BTW, I am only mentioning Rohingyas because you brought up principle

No. I'm discussing China's contribution and I'm making it very clear for folks like you who don't wish to read from the start that China's stance is about friendship and support for Pakistan, not some overriding sudden moral obligation to Kashmiris.

We are discussing China's role, nothing else. So please stop derailing the topic.

Well then why is China doing the exact same thing you brand as "useless"?

1. Standard protocol, to be seen as a responsible nation, and to avert any future accusations of not following protocol.
2. It won't do any harm, and MIGHT potentially cause some benefit through publicity.
3. As a responsible nation, China should be seen to exhaust all of these normal (pointless) avenues before it exerts its true leverage, which is quiet economic power.

 

[BringHarmony]

PRC stays QUIET about all its disputes. It doesn't cry to the UN.

1. Standard protocol, to be seen as a responsible nation, and to avert any future accusations of not following protocol.
2. It won't do any harm, and MIGHT potentially cause some benefit through publicity.
3. As a responsible nation, China should be seen to exhaust all of these normal (pointless) avenues before it exerts its true leverage, which is quiet economic power.

So China does not cry its issues in UN, except it does for the reasons mentioned above. Good!

Oh! And UN is defuct organization as it serves no purpose for China and Russia, except for the reasons above.

Lastly, I fail to see how the reasons above may help Pakistan in Kashmir issue. Remember, UN is a defunct organization for China and Russia.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

So China does not cry its issues in UN, except it does for the reasons mentioned above. Good!

It doesn't cry about them. It follows protocol. It doesn't foolishly expect some resolving of its problems in the UN but it does follow protocol. I see no contradiction here.

 

[BringHarmony]

It doesn't cry about them. It follows protocol. It doesn't foolishly expect some resolving of its problems in the UN but it does follow protocol. I see no contradiction here.

And now for Kashmir is China crying or following protocol?

BTW, I am yet to see any nation to "cry" about anything in UN.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

In fact most organisations work in this way, certainly the one I work in.

And now for Kashmir is China crying or following protocol?

BTW, I am yet to see any nation to "cry" about anything in UN.

I'm talking about China's own interests.

Now Kashmir is mainly Pakistan's dilemma (though India will attempt to describe it as an internal Indian matter of course!).

China's positioning on Kashmir is designed to assist Pakistan politically.

Pakistanis are also not so foolish as to expect the UN to come to Kashmir's rescue. It is a defunct organisation as I stated.

Nevertheless, any bad press for Hindustan regarding Kashmir is bad press for Hindustan regarding Kashmir. It is to be welcomed.

 

[Rasengan]

Hong Kong is not internal issue because HongKong is not China, neither is human rights violations.

Why don't you come and take it from China? You can only dream but in the real world Hong Kong will always belong to China.

 

[Wood]

China is well aware that even if it tries to push for any discussion, it will be vetoed by someone or the other. If China is sincere, they should try to find a way to make it happen by some diplomatic means to persuade the other 4 nations to support its motion.

If China was serious, then Pakistan would have Kashmir already. Not via diplomacy, but via military confrontation.

China needs Pakistan to have a simmering military conflict with India. This conveniently allows China to outsource it Indian problem to Pakistan while the Chinese can look for better things to accomplish.

 

[Kaniska]

If China was serious, then Pakistan would have Kashmir already. Not via diplomacy, but via military confrontation.

China needs Pakistan to have a simmering military conflict with India. This conveniently allows China to outsource it Indian problem to Pakistan while the Chinese can look for better things to accomplish.

Nicely articulated...

 

[Aasimkhan]

Well...technically you are correct...You stood for your friend knowing well that no one will listen to you.

Anyway, i am not here to judge if China is good or bad, but Kashmir is quite peaceful than it was last year. That is good news for us. Rest of the world can debate in their part as much as they want, but we are happy to see that there are not any significant loss of civilian life in Kashmir.

Kashmir is quite peaceful than it was last year? R u sure ? the are under curfew for more than 6 months, intenet and news papers are closed, economy of Kashmir destroyed, foreigners forbidden to come to Kashmir and you are saying Kashmir is quite peaceful than it was last year. What a disgrace, what a hypocrite you are

 

[Kaniska]

Kashmir is quite peaceful than it was last year? R u sure ? the are under curfew for more than 6 months, intenet and news papers are closed, economy of Kashmir destroyed, foreigners forbidden to come to Kashmir and you are saying Kashmir is quite peaceful than it was last year. What a disgrace, what a hypocrite you are

Well, you are entitled with your opinion, but national interest lies with reducing loss of civilian life and prevent chaos in city..Anyway, i am not even expecting you to agree to the narrative by India.

 

[Minho]

Well, you are entitled with your opinion, but national interest lies with reducing loss of civilian life and prevent chaos in city..Anyway, i am not even expecting you to agree to the narrative by India.

Although Pulwama skewed the numbers, the number of casualties due to millitant/terrorist attacks actually decreased in 2019. Hopefully that trend will continue in 2020

 

[TNT]

"If wishes were horses, beggars would ride". If things could have happened based on my wish, i hope to see a peaceful South Asia rather than we are at each other throat where US,West and China use every oppertunity to exploit us.

I am not sure if you really understand the pulse of Indian people, but our people react to Pakistan and their allies differently due to historical reasons...Even if many politicians and army generals are sounded alarmed about danger from China for India, somehow, Indian public perception is not anti-China per se in their mindset...One of the reasons could be as China is still believed and perceived positively due to its culture associated with Non-Muslim and Non-Christian religions. Again, i am referring to ordinary Indian people where there is informal perception is created. So yes, people and political parties may sound to stand against China for boycotting products, but there is not such severe hatred/anti China minset that is built in for normal chines people..

See how u slowly reveal the true ugly face of indians. Let me summarize it for u, its just the indian people have problem with muslims. The stinky hindu cannot get out of inferiority complex and thus promoting hatred for Islam and muslims through RSS type gangs. These stinky hindus are huge cowards as well and they lay down infront of china trying to appeal to its anti religious quarters. U put it well, u threatened and boycotted turkey and malaysia but surprisingly no boycott of china, not even strong words from modi or anyone, shows how big cowards indians are. It also proves indians are racist and their only hatred is for muslims, i hope whole of the muslim world see the ugly rats.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Although Pulwama skewed the numbers, the number of casualties due to millitant/terrorist attacks actually decreased in 2019. Hopefully that trend will continue in 2020

Besieging a location usually has that effect.

Tell you what, lift the siege, reduce troop levels to what they were before August 2019, open the internet completely. Then come and talk.

Until then, enjoy your "peace" at the cost of over 5 lakh security personnel permanently stationed to watch over 7 million people.

I don't know the exact figures but surely that's one armed terrorist per 2 or 3 men of fighting age.

That's some pax Romana you got there.

If China was serious, then Pakistan would have Kashmir already. Not via diplomacy, but via military confrontation.

China needs Pakistan to have a simmering military conflict with India. This conveniently allows China to outsource it Indian problem to Pakistan while the Chinese can look for better things to accomplish.

Funniest conspiracy theory of the day here.

I suppose the minute we ditch those naughty problem stirring Chinese, India and Pakistan will suddenly be aman ki asha with peace trains across the border?

Truly your propaganda is getting embarrassing.