China Orders Universities to Ban Textbooks 'Promoting Western Values'

[flamer84]

Seriouly, if the western nations wanna ban the spread of the Chinese values in the West, then I have no problem with it.

The US has just banned the Confucius institutes, and did you hear me saying a word about it?

China also has the same right to maintain the Chinese society to have purely the Chinese values.



Forget about it, Putin now is more interested about China's pragmatism than the western fanaticism.

As i've said,if you want to be pure,throw away your WESTERN computer and emerge yourself in Confucianism.After this,you won't be a hypocrite.

The computer,the internet are not only technology,they were created for free discussions,free interaction,they were not created so that China may ban internet sites.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

As i've said,if you want to be pure,throw away your WESTERN computer and emerge yourself in Confucianism.After this,you won't be a hypocrite.

Then why not the West throw out the paper? Since it was invented by China.

As I said, the technology does not equate to the ideology, you shouldn't mix up these two.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Oh so you are backing down from your claim that the US does not support a "Salad bowl" multiculturalism..or just evading it with a tangent?

I never said that.

I just said the melting pot was an American concept, and that multiculturalism seems more popular in other Western societies.

I'm sure that some elements of multiculturalism exist in America as well, but not to the extent of say, Europe. If I am wrong, then I am happy to learn otherwise?

But you're asking me to defend a claim I never made, i.e. a straw man argument. You can answer it better than me, since it was you who said it, not me.

 

[Steakhouse]

I first I can easily counter because of my faith in my culture and religion. All of your other points are your bias, I can't "bribe a judge in my country". You watching too much propaganda shows/movies??

But, if I was a millionaire in America, I could easily do that.

Why would I buy Alcohol?? I am a Muslim. Another reason why you don't even know what your talking about!
Get off this site and smell the air!

I can call Obama whatever I want. Where is my "Freedom Of Speech"?? Did it go down the drain?

A millionaire still have to win his case in the court by hiring a good lawyer. Not all Muslim don't drink alcohol. Freedom of speed allow you criticize, mock any religion you want. Muslim allow to protest against Burgas ban in west because of freedom of religion.

 

[ozzy22]

The West didn't "ban" you.....just that nobody bothered to adopt your customs.See the diference ?

When you're so worried and high and mighty about your culture than stick to your culture instead of being hypocrites and only choosing what you need.Live in "modern" China without Western "contraptions".

I think you're confusing scientific advancement with culture/values. I think people wanting to keep their culture is a great thing better than everyone being the same.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I never said that.

But you're asking me to defend a claim I never made, i.e. a straw man argument. I'm obviously not going to do that.

"Multiculturalism is the opposite of the American "melting pot" (assimilation) concept.

Instead of assimilation (melting pot), Multiculturalism is referred to as a "Salad bowl" where people maintain their original culture.

It is common in Western societies apart from America."

Why do you think the "melting pot" is 100% absolute????? There is plenty of multiculturalism here.
Maybe you should visit and see. Nobody is forced to give up their culture...that's ridiculous.

Stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

 

[prashantazazel]

best to let people decide what ideology they want to follow. Banning something is a sign of weakness, and a lack of confidence in your own values...

 

[flamer84]

Then why not the West throw out the paper? Since it was invented by China.

As I said, the technology does not equate to the ideology, you shouldn't mix up these two.

Because they accept Chinese values......Incident has it though,that without being banned by the the state,people look at Chinese values and say "Meh,not really for me"...and just move on.In the end ,that's really why you're so butthurt,people all over the world couldn't give 2 pennies on Chinese values while Chinese flock to Western values.

This is what you just can't understand...it's not in the books,it's all about the world,you didn't create this modern world,the West did,so,as per the rights of the victor,they're shaping it in their image.Nothing you can do about it,you're swimming against the current,fighting a loosing battle.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I think you're confusing scientific advancement with culture/values. I think people wanting to keep their culture is a great thing better than everyone being the same.

Yeah, all the civilizations in history have their share of the scientific contribution.

But in the modern era, the West under the Anglo-American lead has undoubtedly made the biggest contribution so far.

But right now, we are in the globalism stage, so other civilization might also have a chance to come without their own innovative ideas.

If they have all been enslaved by the western values, then their own innovativism might just get killed off.

Because they accept Chinese values......Incident has it though,that without being banned by the the state,people look at Chinese values and say "Meh,not really for me"...and just move on.In the end ,that's really why you're so butthurt,people all over the world couldn't give 2 pennies on Chinese values while Chinese flock to Western values.

Nope, the West has nothing to do with the Chinese values.

And China didn't force the West to adopt its values when it was borrowing its technology.

So the West also shouldn't point its finger at China just because of borrowing the idea of the western technology.

 

[flamer84]

I think you're confusing scientific advancement with culture/values. I think people wanting to keep their culture is a great thing better than everyone being the same.

Not really,when you're using the internet,you're doing it for free communication,that's why they've invented it.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Why do you think the "melting pot" is 100% absolute????? There is plenty of multiculturalism here.
Maybe you should visit and see. Nobody is forced to give up their culture...that's ridiculous.

I never said that either.

I never said anyone was forced to give up their culture. Neither did I say the melting pot was 100% absolute, those are both figaments of your imagination.

I said multiculturalism is the opposite of the American "melting pot" concept, which is correct.

I never said America rejected multiculturalism, that was a creation of your own mind. In fact I specifically said that: "I'm sure that some elements of multiculturalism exist in America as well, but not to the extent of say, Europe."

Stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

Is that a joke?

This entire conversion you have been taking to yourself, inventing things that I never said, then asking me to defend them.

Why should I defend statements that you have invented yourself, and put into my mouth? That's the very definition of a straw man argument.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

This is what you just can't understand...it's not in the books,it's all about the world,you didn't create this modern world,the West did,so,as per the rights of the victor,they're shaping it in their image.Nothing you can do about it,you're swimming against the current,fighting a loosing battle.

The Darwinism is good for the evolution, but the extreme Darwinism will push the world on the verge of extinction.

Most Christian fanatics hate the concept of Darwinism more than anything else, but their action is more Darwinist than anyone else.

Just because your little stupid concept of the battle for the ideology, you have almost triggered a nuclear war with Russia.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

In fact I specifically said that: "I'm sure that some elements of multiculturalism exist in America as well, but not to the extent of say, Europe."

Oh please. You only added that post blurb after I called you out on your first assertion. Like you had any intention of clarifying yourself if I didn't ask you to.

Case closed.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

This is what you just can't understand...it's not in the books,it's all about the world,you didn't create this modern world,the West did,so,as per the rights of the victor,they're shaping it in their image.Nothing you can do about it,you're swimming against the current,fighting a loosing battle.

BTW, the western civilization hasn't ultimately solved the biggest problem that the mankind will eventually face such as the limited natural resources on Earth.

The West hasn't ultimately solved anything, so you cannot pretend it represents the universal truth. Don't be so narrow minded.

China as an extremely adaptive old civilization that has survived over 5000 years, do you think it is only by luck?

China has the ambition to solve these problems for mankind, that's why we believe to promote the aggressive ideology is a primitive behavior, not much different than two lions fighting for the territory.

 

[flamer84]

BTW, the western civilization hasn't ultimately solved the biggest problem that the mankind will eventually face such as the limited natural resources on Earth.

The West hasn't ultimately solved anything, so you cannot pretend it represents the universal truth. Don't be so narrow minded.

China as an extremely adaptive old civilization that has survived over 5000 years, do you think it is only by luck?

China has the ambition to solve these problems for mankind, that's why we believe to promote the aggressive ideology is a primitive behavior, not much different than two lions fighting for the territory.

Never said Chinese civilisation is bad or inferior.Nobody bans it in here.

China is the greatest industrial polluter of this world,it may have the ambition but i'll guess it will have to wait for the West to solve this problem.After this,it can moan some more about culture.