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Beijing’s first export of J-10C jets marks step-up in decades-old arms relationship with Islamabad


China will deliver 25 J-10C fighter jets to Pakistan within weeks as part of a deal that will bolster Islamabad’s military capabilities against mutual rival India.

Beijing’s first export of the advanced jets marks a big step-up in its decades-old arms relationship with Islamabad and entails providing its ally with some of the latest equipment that China’s own armed forces are using. China will also broaden its support to Pakistan’s navy.
The first batch of the combat aircraft is being tested in Chengdu, the base of its manufacturer Chengdu Aerospace Corporation, according to a journalist at a Chinese military publication.
“They will be transferred to Pakistan once Pakistan air force pilots and technicians have completed an introduction to the aircraft,” he said.

Senior officials in Islamabad said the jets would be delivered before the end of the month.
Last week, Chinese and foreign military watchers posted photos and a video showing several J-10C aircraft flying the colours of the Pakistan air force on social media.
China is also selling Pakistan four Type 054A frigates, the first of which began service in November, and is expected to begin delivery of up to eight Type 041 submarines, its quietest attack submarine, this year.
India, which has been engaged in a stand-off on its Himalayan border with China for nearly two years, believes the arms deliveries to Pakistan are an attempt to amplify the threat from Islamabad. India shares long land borders with both Pakistan and China.

“There’s a clear strategic nexus between China and Pakistan,” said Brahma Chellaney, a professor of strategic studies at the Centre for Policy Research, a New Delhi think-tank. “That nexus is clearly designed to contain India, to pin India down and keep it preoccupied. That’s the Chinese strategic aim.”
He described the latest arms deals as a significant shift, adding that “China is now selling or transferring its top of the line weapons systems to Pakistan”.

The J-10C aircraft will help Pakistan close the air-power gap with India following New Delhi’s acquisition of 36 Rafale fighter jets from France. “This is our response to [India’s] Rafale,” Sheikh Rasheed Ahmed, Pakistan’s interior minister, said when he revealed the J-10C agreement in December.

The new Chinese ships would boost Pakistan’s capabilities in the Indian Ocean, an area of strategic importance for Beijing.
“They want Pakistan to have naval bases ready that China could also use, and to be able to protect them,” said Siemon Wezeman, an arms trade expert at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
“The Chinese have shown that they will sell to Pakistan when others won’t. I suspect that China is very easy to persuade [to sell], not only for commercial but also for political reasons,” he said.
India is also planning a naval expansion. The navy’s deputy chief said late last year that it aimed to increase the size of its fleet from 130 vessels to 170 by 2027, including four frigates being developed in partnership with Russia.
Despite the upgrades, Chellaney said the Himalayan stand-off was draining India’s defence resources. “The Indian navy is supposed to be undergoing modernisation, but the modernisation is happening at a relatively slow pace, largely because of the land military confrontations that India faces,” he said.
 
Good news for Pak


Beijing’s first export of J-10C jets marks step-up in decades-old arms relationship with Islamabad


China will deliver 25 J-10C fighter jets to Pakistan within weeks as part of a deal that will bolster Islamabad’s military capabilities against mutual rival India.

Beijing’s first export of the advanced jets marks a big step-up in its decades-old arms relationship with Islamabad and entails providing its ally with some of the latest equipment that China’s own armed forces are using. China will also broaden its support to Pakistan’s navy.
The first batch of the combat aircraft is being tested in Chengdu, the base of its manufacturer Chengdu Aerospace Corporation, according to a journalist at a Chinese military publication.
“They will be transferred to Pakistan once Pakistan air force pilots and technicians have completed an introduction to the aircraft,” he said.

Senior officials in Islamabad said the jets would be delivered before the end of the month.
Last week, Chinese and foreign military watchers posted photos and a video showing several J-10C aircraft flying the colours of the Pakistan air force on social media.
China is also selling Pakistan four Type 054A frigates, the first of which began service in November, and is expected to begin delivery of up to eight Type 041 submarines, its quietest attack submarine, this year.
India, which has been engaged in a stand-off on its Himalayan border with China for nearly two years, believes the arms deliveries to Pakistan are an attempt to amplify the threat from Islamabad. India shares long land borders with both Pakistan and China.

“There’s a clear strategic nexus between China and Pakistan,” said Brahma Chellaney, a professor of strategic studies at the Centre for Policy Research, a New Delhi think-tank. “That nexus is clearly designed to contain India, to pin India down and keep it preoccupied. That’s the Chinese strategic aim.”
He described the latest arms deals as a significant shift, adding that “China is now selling or transferring its top of the line weapons systems to Pakistan”.

The J-10C aircraft will help Pakistan close the air-power gap with India following New Delhi’s acquisition of 36 Rafale fighter jets from France. “This is our response to [India’s] Rafale,” Sheikh Rasheed Ahmed, Pakistan’s interior minister, said when he revealed the J-10C agreement in December.

The new Chinese ships would boost Pakistan’s capabilities in the Indian Ocean, an area of strategic importance for Beijing.
“They want Pakistan to have naval bases ready that China could also use, and to be able to protect them,” said Siemon Wezeman, an arms trade expert at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
“The Chinese have shown that they will sell to Pakistan when others won’t. I suspect that China is very easy to persuade [to sell], not only for commercial but also for political reasons,” he said.
India is also planning a naval expansion. The navy’s deputy chief said late last year that it aimed to increase the size of its fleet from 130 vessels to 170 by 2027, including four frigates being developed in partnership with Russia.
Despite the upgrades, Chellaney said the Himalayan stand-off was draining India’s defence resources. “The Indian navy is supposed to be undergoing modernisation, but the modernisation is happening at a relatively slow pace, largely because of the land military confrontations that India faces,” he said.
Next will be J20s and Nuke subs within a decade.
 
i highly doubt China will sell J-20. J-31s are a possibility.
The Pakistan-Chinese strategic partnership necessitates that Pakistan be strengthened against any regional military threat. What Hebei is to China, Pakistan is to China and Pakistan carries the same importance and value to China. Pakistan lost it's independence when the corrupts took over and attempted to lead Pakistan to a road of a failed beggar state and as a Vassal of the colonialists and thanks to China this was thwarted. China will arm Pakistan with all the latest weaponry in it's arsenal, what we are seeing is a step by step correction and orientation of Pakistan's defense by China. In a decade Pakistan's and China's defense will be aligned in tactful and tactical way into a single treaty force with a few other nations.
 
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i highly doubt China will sell J-20. J-31s are a possibility.
But perhaps SSNs and SSBNs are a possibility, or large Lithium ion battery SSKs and SSBKs Akin to the U-212CD class. Keeping India bogged down via a vi Pakistan and the buildup in the Himalayas allows China to maintain its focus on national development for a relatively little expenditure.
 
The generation old Western dream of pitting India against China. Pakistan plays the spoiler every time.

This article was a complete waste of time.

China has superior strategy. India should make peace & work for the regional connectivity & development.
 
The Pakistan-Chinese strategic partnership necessitates that Pakistan be strengthened against any regional military threat. What Hebei is to China, Pakistan is to China and Pakistan carries the same importance and value to China. Pakistan lost it's independence when the corrupts took over and attempted to lead Pakistan to a road of a failed beggar state and as a Vassal of the colonialists and thanks to China this was thwarted. China will arm Pakistan with all the latest weaponry in it's arsenal, what we are seeing is a step by step correction and orientation of Pakistan's defense by China. In a decade Pakistan's and China's defense will aligned in tactful and tactical way into a single treaty force with a few other nations.

China may not sell them to others but China's relationship with Pakistan is special.

The risk is too high that an enemy country might be able to steal info of J-20s. Plus if the same objective can be achieved by J31s, so why take the extra risk?
 
India can never fully turn anti-china or to some extent even fully anti any other proper powerful country
As they'll be countered right there and then at Thier border through Pakistan "problem"
This problem keeps India occupied within thier own theater
 
The risk is too high that an enemy country might be able to steal info of J-20s. Plus if the same objective can be achieved by J31s, so why take the extra risk?

Frankly speaking J-31 is more the enough to handle India. Indian AMCA is just a paper plane. It may be another 50 years before we see it inducted.
 
The generation old Western dream of pitting India against China. Pakistan plays the spoiler every time.

This article was a complete waste of time.

China has superior strategy. India should make peace & work for the regional connectivity & development.

I have spent a fair amount of time, looking at India and i have come to the conclusion that India genuinely has tremendous amount of potential. There are a few things that is keeping it back,

1. Extremely high population
2. Internal communal/religious/ethnic strife
3. Border issues with Pakistan & China

If India can control the over population, get rid of these Hindutva fanatics and resolves the land disputes with both China and Pakistan they will be another global power house. In case they are unable to control those 3 areas of concern, i reckon it will result in a major civil war and balkanization of India with millions of people dead.
 
I have spent a fair amount of time, looking at India and i have come to the conclusion that India genuinely has tremendous amount of potential. There are a few things that is keeping it back,

1. Extremely high population
2. Internal communal/religious/ethnic strife
3. Border issues with Pakistan & China

If India can control the over population, get rid of these Hindutva fanatics and resolves the land disputes with both China and Pakistan they will be another global power house. In case they are unable to control those 3 areas of concern, i reckon it will result in a major civil war and balkanization of India with millions of people dead.
They really just need to focus on #3. This will automatically control #2A & 2B. It would make #2C (dammit, I should not be saying this openly!) progressively worse. But as long as #3 is done, #1 could be countered.

But what to do about the Indian psyche? That is the major hurdle.
 
The risk is too high that an enemy country might be able to steal info of J-20s. Plus if the same objective can be achieved by J31s, so why take the extra risk?
What can be higher risk than nuke weapons and technology which Pakistan has?
 
They really just need to focus on #3. This will automatically control #2A & 2B. It would make #2C (dammit, I should not be saying this openly!) progressively worse. But as long as #3 is done, #1 could be countered.

But what to do about the Indian psyche? That is the major hurdle.
Solving #3 would not solve #2, IMO

Their issue with Islam is not entirely dependent on Pakistan alone, they have a genuine hatred for Islam similar to how people hate homosexuality, it comes almost natural to them. Even solving issues with Pakistan would still keep them suppressing their Muslim population.

Once their fabricated unity built upon hating Pakistan disappears, communal tensions will rise because there's nothing to bind them.
 
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