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China moves to counter India with arms sales to Pakistan

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Beijing’s first export of J-10C jets marks step-up in decades-old arms relationship with Islamabad


China will deliver 25 J-10C fighter jets to Pakistan within weeks as part of a deal that will bolster Islamabad’s military capabilities against mutual rival India.

Beijing’s first export of the advanced jets marks a big step-up in its decades-old arms relationship with Islamabad and entails providing its ally with some of the latest equipment that China’s own armed forces are using. China will also broaden its support to Pakistan’s navy.
The first batch of the combat aircraft is being tested in Chengdu, the base of its manufacturer Chengdu Aerospace Corporation, according to a journalist at a Chinese military publication.
“They will be transferred to Pakistan once Pakistan air force pilots and technicians have completed an introduction to the aircraft,” he said.

Senior officials in Islamabad said the jets would be delivered before the end of the month.
Last week, Chinese and foreign military watchers posted photos and a video showing several J-10C aircraft flying the colours of the Pakistan air force on social media.
China is also selling Pakistan four Type 054A frigates, the first of which began service in November, and is expected to begin delivery of up to eight Type 041 submarines, its quietest attack submarine, this year.
India, which has been engaged in a stand-off on its Himalayan border with China for nearly two years, believes the arms deliveries to Pakistan are an attempt to amplify the threat from Islamabad. India shares long land borders with both Pakistan and China.

“There’s a clear strategic nexus between China and Pakistan,” said Brahma Chellaney, a professor of strategic studies at the Centre for Policy Research, a New Delhi think-tank. “That nexus is clearly designed to contain India, to pin India down and keep it preoccupied. That’s the Chinese strategic aim.”
He described the latest arms deals as a significant shift, adding that “China is now selling or transferring its top of the line weapons systems to Pakistan”.

The J-10C aircraft will help Pakistan close the air-power gap with India following New Delhi’s acquisition of 36 Rafale fighter jets from France. “This is our response to [India’s] Rafale,” Sheikh Rasheed Ahmed, Pakistan’s interior minister, said when he revealed the J-10C agreement in December.

The new Chinese ships would boost Pakistan’s capabilities in the Indian Ocean, an area of strategic importance for Beijing.
“They want Pakistan to have naval bases ready that China could also use, and to be able to protect them,” said Siemon Wezeman, an arms trade expert at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
“The Chinese have shown that they will sell to Pakistan when others won’t. I suspect that China is very easy to persuade [to sell], not only for commercial but also for political reasons,” he said.
India is also planning a naval expansion. The navy’s deputy chief said late last year that it aimed to increase the size of its fleet from 130 vessels to 170 by 2027, including four frigates being developed in partnership with Russia.
Despite the upgrades, Chellaney said the Himalayan stand-off was draining India’s defence resources. “The Indian navy is supposed to be undergoing modernisation, but the modernisation is happening at a relatively slow pace, largely because of the land military confrontations that India faces,” he said.
 
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I am glad that you also recognise Pakistan's potential.

But, sorry brother, I have to disagree with your reasons for 2nd point.
The problem isn't dealing with corrupts and criminals,
the problem is the extreme obsession Pakistanis have with corruption and so-called criminality.

Those issues exists in every country in the world, especially developing nations, including others in our region. I have a copy of a large study done around 10 years ago where it showed 1/3 of elected politicians in India had active criminal records or charges against them, including rape and murder. It also showed, having a criminal reputation increased your chances of being elected.

The corruption is also just as bad, if not worse then in Pakistan, but you don't see citizens of other countries crying and shouting about it all the time, only Pakistanis do. It creates a unfairly bad reputation. businesses decide that if they are complaining so much then it must be bad, they invest in other countries, which are just as corrupt but because of better image, it helps them.

Pakistan has corruption but it is not worse then most other countries. Our problem is the lack of right polices, lack of appropriate laws, and lack of maturity among our political leadership. It isn't corruption or criminality.

It is unfair to criticise ourselves out of proportion, it is simply unfair.
So shhh and brush under the carpet?
 
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Good & logical post. But it does little to suggest what could be done to break the stalemate & push for lasting peace. I was rather hoping that you would suggest something.

In any case, for a complicated situation one must find the driver (or drivers) of that situation. Unless these are addressed, nothing gets resolved satisfactorily for the longer term until some other challenge(s) crop up. Like EU of today, for example.

I will hazard a guess, but I could be way off since I am no expert:

Drivers: Pakistan - paranoia about security & obsession with Kashmir linked to security. India - security & hubris. China - security, hubris, & longer term aims (Taiwan).

Indians wish to be acknowledged as the foremost regional power & there seems to be a need / craving for respect. But the reality of India does not seem to match with the aspiration. Though there certainly are economic gains since early-mid '90s, they are simply not enough to match India's view of itself, it seems.

Chinese are perhaps over-confident, but it appears to me that the confidence masks a deep insecurity about the global politics. They want to pressurize India, even humiliate it just so they can coerce Indians to stay away from Western designs regarding China's containment. I question the wisdom for the long-term, but it may be a compulsion for Chinese due to their security concerns. Taiwan is a big issue, but perhaps not the only obsession.

Pakistan is actually a bit paranoid & one can not blame the Pakistan's security establishment since it has two unfriendly neighbors to both the East & West. Pakistan must always be prepared for a two-front war. This has been the situation since early '70s. The only lifeline Pakistan can expect is from China with whom Pakistan has aligned it's interests. It did not have to be that way. To tell you the truth, seeing Indian POWs being mistreated by Chinese pains me a bit. I derive no pleasure from the sight & it makes me feel as though a part of my (admittedly low priority) identity as Desi is impinged upon.

All three have a colonial past & have painful memories. A bit of the dynamic has that experience built into it and that feeds the paranoia & need for acknowledgement / respect / security.

I see no reason why the three countries can not or should not forsake these respective drivers. However, I really think that India does hold the key in this dynamic. That is why I think that Nawaz Sharif & Vajpayee summit in Lahore & the subsequent pushback was such a tragedy. The two countries could have settled their respective issues & moved on to a shared future. I am quite sure that Chinese would have been receptive to the peace themselves. Pakistan has some influence & it could have been (still could) used to bring the three countries closer.
India -Pak
Pragmatic options for peace are at this point unreachable. What is needed is a pause in hostility which can be achieved through Bilateral CBM's like the ceasefire enacted at LoC?.

Maybe after a few years of dis-engagement, and simmering down of tit-4-tat, initiatives for the solution can be worked upon. The problem remains, that the pot never seems to simmer down, and the bane of 24hrs news channels and (un)social media, sees revenue in driving hatred among Indo-Pak narratives. This information overload is a new stimuli and will take long time for us to get used to. As far as actual solution strategy, it too remains a moving target, but I am sure both sides are capable of coming to a consensus, it's just that; there has never been enough of a strategic or political incentive to do so.

India-China
I don't have a very clear understanding of China's actions unless it's to ease the pressure of the LOC for Pakistan. More than the border situation the inability of India to curb Chinese imports is a far bigger security situation for India.
 
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