China eyes military ties with Greece

[Ajaxpaul]

Closer ties with Greece will upset Turkey and vice versa. China is in a tough situation.

Turkey will be livid...China going for military ties with Israel and Greece will make turkey very uncomfortable with china. With India lurking, china is in a very tough position.

 

[S10]

Turkey will be livid...China going for military ties with Israel and Greece will make turkey very uncomfortable with china. With India lurking, china is in a very tough position.

What the hell does this have to do with India? Once of these days a Chinese guy will be taking a dump, and some Indian will jump out and say "because of India, your poop is extra hard."

 

[Ajaxpaul]

What the hell does this have to do with India? Once of these days a Chinese guy will be taking a dump, and some Indian will jump out and say "because of India, your poop is extra hard."

So what have i commented to offend you ?..wait you want to spew out something with no reason..carry on, don't bother to reply me.

 

[S10]

So what have i commented to offend you ?..wait you want to spew out something with no reason..carry on, don't bother to reply me.

Don't want to be talked down upon? Don't make stupid comments with little relevance then. What does Greece and China have to do with India again? Oh right nothing.

 

[Ajaxpaul]

Don't want to be talked down upon? Don't make stupid comments with little relevance then. What does Greece and China have to do with India again? Oh right nothing.

Yeah talked down upon by a chinese over the internet...can be very damaging

Right now India has good relation with Israel so turkey is not very fond of India. If China warms up to Greece, Turkey may turn to the next big influence ie India.

But why bother explaining this to you, You are busy talking others down..

 

[S10]

Yeah talked down upon by a chinese over the internet...can be very damaging

Right now India has good relation with Israel so turkey is not very fond of India. If China warms up to Greece, Turkey may turn to the next big influence ie India.

But why bother explaining this to you, You are busy talking others down..

Indians and their over inflated sense of self-worth. Thanks for the cheap laugh. Maybe the Arabs will embrace you too since China increase cooperation with Israel recently. Don't wet yourself at night with dreams.

 

[Ajaxpaul]

Indians and their over inflated sense of self-worth. Thanks for the cheap laugh. Maybe the Arabs will embrace you too since China increase cooperation with Israel recently. Don't wet yourself at night with dreams.

We have no problems with Arabs or Israel so your sarcasm on India's over inflated sense of self worth is a FAIL. Now dont go on traumatizing your neighbours to show your self worth.

 

[S10]

We have no problems with Arabs or Israel so your sarcasm on India's over inflated sense of self worth is a FAIL. Now dont go on traumatizing your neighbours to show your self worth.

If relationship between China and Turkey deteriorates because of Greece, and that's a big IF, there are number of powers Turkey can strengthen its relationship with. United States, Russian and EU are all viable candidates. Yet no one from those countries jumped out and "oh because of us you're in a hard place" like Indians do. Acting like a clown with inflated ego is a sign you're compensating for something. Like a child craving for attention or a whore craving for sex.

You are as irrelevant and amusing as your comment.

 

[Ajaxpaul]

If relationship between China and Turkey deteriorates because of Greece, and that's a big IF, there are number of powers Turkey can strengthen its relationship with. United States, Russian and EU are all viable candidates. Yet no one from those countries jumped out and "oh because of us you're in a hard place" like Indians do. Acting like a clown with inflated ego is a sign you're compensating for something. Like a child craving for attention or a whore craving for sex.

You are as irrelevant and amusing as your comment.

US Russia and EU already has good relations with turkey for ages..But if Turkey wants to irritate china..then enhancing relations with India will guarantee that.

As for my comment, this is a public forum where any one can comment, not necessarily only Chinese.

As for your comment on Whores..you are too young to satisfy her cravings.

 

[SEAL]

Turkey is considering to remove Greece from enemies list. The visit also shows Greece is worried about growing China-Turkey relationship.
Greece is bankrupt and China have money so its a good step to start asset building in EU.

 

[Akasa]

Spoken like someone completely oblivious to the world around them. Improving relationship with Greece does not mean relationship with Turkey will deteriorate. Politics is not a zero sum game. India has maintained a balance between United States and USSR for years, without having to devote itself completely to either camp. Why develop relationship with Israel when China has relationship with Arab states? According to you there would be no need.

Turkey has China by the throat? If you get anymore moronic, you can probably register yourself for mental health income assistance. The number of Han in Xinjiang is roughly equal to that of Uyghurs, and has been growing for decades. Uyghurs represent less than 1/100 of China's total population. ETIM is essentially storm in a tea cup, and only survived because of Turkish support. Having good relationship with Greece also sends the message to Turkey they cannot support Xinjiang seperatists without reprecussion, get it?

News flash, United States already have bases in Turkey. If you bothered to check reality once in a while, you'd know that.

The fact that politics is a zero sum game in some cases rely on the countries you are making relations with. Here's a short history lesson. When Canada forged relations with Cuba, guess what happened? Our relations with the US soured. Likewise, when Cuba solidified relations with the former Soviet Union, their relations with the United States were poisoned. This "zero sum" fantasy you are talking about does not apply every time and is as flawed as your analysis.

And your previous posts sound as if relations with Turkey isn't an important thing. Well, guess what? Turkey is like the Cuba of China. The ETIM does not need a large Uyghur population to carry out its deeds. You said it yourself: ETIM gets its support from Turkey. By pure common sense, do you really believe that Turkey will somehow cut its support of the ETIM if China does something that opposes Turkey's interests? By supporting the ETIM, it is THEM that could send China a message saying that attempts to forge relations with its rival could mean more trouble in Xinjiang. Have you ever thought of that? The world doesn't evolve around China, buddy. China isn't the decision maker every single time. I thought the previous incidents with the US have taught you that.

And don't think that countries are reluctant to support fundamentalists in order to achieve a desired goal. The Bay of Pigs operation (albeit failed) would be a good example.

The US military base in Turkey (Incirlik Air Base, I believe) is within striking range of China's Western border. I'm not speaking of a war scenario, but Turkey would be free to allow more US aircraft onto its territory if China upsets it. Just like how Japan decided to keep letting the US base aircraft at Kadena due to its sour relations with China. Take a goooood look at those US friendly countries around China and you might find it interesting that they have more tolerance of US bases on their territory whenever relations with China go bad. And it might also surprise you that Turkey is in fact a NATO country.

 

[S10]

The fact that politics is a zero sum game in some cases rely on the countries you are making relations with. Here's a short history lesson. When Canada forged relations with Cuba, guess what happened? Our relations with the US soured. Likewise, when Cuba solidified relations with the former Soviet Union, their relations with the United States were poisoned. This "zero sum" fantasy you are talking about does not apply every time and is as flawed as your analysis.

Did United States and Canada break off relationship because of Cuba? Did United States start supporter seperatist movement in Canada? No, then turn that ignorance off. Despite Americans expressing displeasure, US is still Canada's largest trading partner and closest neighbor. By your logic, Canada does not need China since it could upset United States. In fact, it should be completely devoted to US if you had your wayward way.

And your previous posts sound as if relations with Turkey isn't an important thing. Well, guess what? Turkey is like the Cuba of China. The ETIM does not need a large Uyghur population to carry out its deeds. You said it yourself: ETIM gets its support from Turkey. By pure common sense, do you really believe that Turkey will somehow cut its support of the ETIM if China does something that opposes Turkey's interests? By supporting the ETIM, it is THEM that could send China a message saying that attempts to forge relations with its rival could mean more trouble in Xinjiang. Have you ever thought of that? The world doesn't evolve around China, buddy. China isn't the decision maker every single time. I thought the previous incidents with the US have taught you that.

"Oh we gotta keep away from Greece because what Turkey might do to us"

You get more naive with every post you make. Turkey is already supporting ETIM, relationship with Greece or not. Having Greece is a counter-balance to that scenario, where Turkey knows if they kept on supporting ETIM there would be consequences. Instead of being afraid what others can do to you like a , China is proactive in its counter measure by ensuring it has the capacity to dish out its own. Sorry, but nobody in their right mind will buy your appeasement attitude.

The US military base in Turkey (Incirlik Air Base, I believe) is within striking range of China's Western border. I'm not speaking of a war scenario, but Turkey would be free to allow more US aircraft onto its territory if China upsets it. Just like how Japan decided to keep letting the US base aircraft at Kadena due to its sour relations with China. And it might also surprise you that Turkey is in fact a NATO country.

You were the one that did not know Turkey hosted American assets. They can allow whatever they want, but the presence of Greece ensures they will think twice about such. Countries do whatever is in their best interest, and having good relationship with Greece is in China's best interest. On the other hand, being a cowardly appeaser is not.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Turkey will be livid...China going for military ties with Israel and Greece will make turkey very uncomfortable with china. With India lurking, china is in a very tough position.

The thread has nothing to do with India. Don't drag India into this please.

 

[Way to go]

Textbook style friendship.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Guys comon. We Turks wouldn't feel any hostility towards China if you increased your relations with Greece. We do not see Greece as a threat anymore. We are both members of NATO, that should sum it up. Turkey is not stupid to forget China's rising role in the world. China and Turkey are both powerhouse to their region, and our economy increases almost the same. We know the potential of China, therefore Turkey invited a lot of Chinese businessmen to Turkey recently, and our businessmen can see the prospects in China. Imho China and Turkey should increase their ties even more, because it is win win. Turkey is the gate for both the European and Middle Eastern/North African markets. In a couple of decades Turkey's role will grow even more. Turkish lobbies in both Europe, Asia and North America (huge Turkish diasporas around the world) are increasing their influence as well.

One more thing. Turkey is definitely not an American "puppet". We have our very own foreign policy , the Iraq war and Palestine should prove this point. While NATO invaded Iraq we forbid NATO troops to enter through Turkey, because we respect sovereignty. We know that not everything is about interest. Dignity and honor are important matters for us.