China: Doing it all yourself has its drawbacks

[UKBengali]

LOL at Indians claiming China needs Russian assistance in building a 5th generation.

Just one look at the J-20 shows what China can do. In contrast the PAK-FA looks very much 4th generation.

The only area that is any concern is aircraft engine. But this is looking promising with the successful WS-10A being produced in mass and equipping fighters such as J-11B and being tested on the J-15. Last year a J-10B was flying with a Ws-10X series engine. WS-15 engine programme now has a very firm foundation to be a success

China is now ahead of the Russians in avionics - Even Russians agree with this.

It is developing cutting edge AAMs like the PL-21D and Pl-10 which will be equal to anything that the US produces, let alone Russia

It has plenty of experience with 4th generation airframes in fighters such as JF-17 and J-10.


By 2020, China will lead Russia in every area.


LOL @ Indians cheerleading Russia again.

 

[Developereo]

Diffrence being China breaks contracts as it did with Russia when they cloned the SU-27

China copies Su-27 fighter, may compete with Russia - paper | Russia | RIA Novosti

Do you seriously believe that India, like most countries, doesn't have technology spies in various countries?

 

[Boson]

Sure thats why we build the Sukhoi MKI using Indian materials from start to finish in our own country but we do not steal or clone like the Chinese we have standards.

And that includes the engine used in Su-30MKI .. what else: AL-31 !!!!

(same engine which china still imports from russia).

 

[KRAIT]

LOL at Indians claiming China needs Russian assistance in building a 5th generation.

Just one look at the J-20 shows what China can do. In contrast the PAK-FA looks very much 4th generation.

The only area that is any concern is aircraft engine. But this is looking promising with the successful WS-10A being produced in mass and equipping fighters such as J-11B and being tested on the J-15. Last year a J-10B was flying with a Ws-10X series engine. WS-15 engine programme now has a very firm foundation to be a success

China is now ahead of the Russians in avionics - Even Russians agree with this.

It is developing cutting edge AAMs like the PL-21D and Pl-10 which will be equal to anything that the US produces, let alone Russia

It has plenty of experience with 4th generation airframes in fighters such as JF-17 and J-10.


By 2020, China will lead Russia in every area.


LOL @ Indians cheerleading Russia again.

Your followin lines points out how less you know about 5th generation, and subject in discussion...

In contrast the PAK-FA looks very much 4th generation.

China is now ahead of the Russians in avionics - Even Russians agree with this

 

[danger007]

double post.....................

 

[danger007]

LOL at Indians claiming China needs Russian assistance in building a 5th generation.

Just one look at the J-20 shows what China can do. In contrast the PAK-FA looks very much 4th generation.

The only area that is any concern is aircraft engine. But this is looking promising with the successful WS-10A being produced in mass and equipping fighters such as J-11B and being tested on the J-15. Last year a J-10B was flying with a Ws-10X series engine. WS-15 engine programme now has a very firm foundation to be a success

China is now ahead of the Russians in avionics - Even Russians agree with this.

It is developing cutting edge AAMs like the PL-21D and Pl-10 which will be equal to anything that the US produces, let alone Russia

It has plenty of experience with 4th generation airframes in fighters such as JF-17 and J-10.


By 2020, China will lead Russia in every area.


LOL @ Indians cheerleading Russia again.

wow genius.....you are saying pak-fa is 4th gen by looks???/ what a ignorant... no you are cheer leading about china here.............

 

[Yeti]

Yes, it has drawback, but it also has its advantage. Even china want to trust Russia completely, but can Russia can be trusted completely? USA will give china their advanced weapon to china? Maybe, If we as his dog, or follow him completely. even now they block the access to their advanced technology!!Trust india? Kidding, Could india forget 1962 completely?
As a country, you can't do it everything yourself, but as a big country, especially a big country contained by the only superpower in the world, at least, the key things you should do it yourself, especially in defence.
I know many key things in india depend on alien countries, Russia, Israel, USA, France, Sweden, especially in defence!
In defence, the key things should be done by yourself, India know it, but can't change their status quo!!
Anything have their advantages and disadvantages, but If the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, we should do it. And something that we must do, so we should do, it doesn't need to calculate the cost!!


Indian materials? Which part of Sukhoi? Under the license, Russia give your key components and material, then you assemble it, it is nothing hard!! And, after more than 10 years, how much do you learn from it? You even can't finish LCA project, after more than 30 years, you have to turn to alien countries for help, So that's your standard, beside talk big, what can you do? Talk bigger!! I have heard that you official want to develop LCA III, the stealth one, bigger joke.
as a normal people, many like talking big, it is not a big thing, but If the person in charge of the project like talking big and then bigger, and can't reach their target and schedule, it is big thing.


Seems, Russia share their most advanced technologies with you? If it is true, why they don't share the technology of Submarine, Rocket, Missile, Fighter, Space station with you? Why Russia don't let you modified the Carrier with the sharing technology, but instead of ripping you off? When I think of these, I have to admire Russia, they are smart, Ripping indian off, then using indian money to practice their technicist and renew rust and long unused equipment. After "sharing" technology more than 30 years, you still can't finished basic LCA, Arjun!!
Yes, you don't need concern this in peace time, but in war time, even you concern on it, you have no time to solve it, rival will not give you time!

Really? so why have we acquired the Akula 2 nuclear submarine and have the Brahmos missile project with Russia?

Do you seriously believe that India, like most countries, doesn't have technology spies in various countries?

Yep but we stick to our agreements unlike the Chinese thats why Russia will not share its most advanced technology as those found in the SU-35 without a concrete agreement.

Chinese AL31F Orders Keep Russian Engine Maker Busy | Aviation International News

China is still using Russian engines for it's fighter jets and will continue to do so for a very long time

LOL at Indians claiming China needs Russian assistance in building a 5th generation.

Just one look at the J-20 shows what China can do. In contrast the PAK-FA looks very much 4th generation.

The only area that is any concern is aircraft engine. But this is looking promising with the successful WS-10A being produced in mass and equipping fighters such as J-11B and being tested on the J-15. Last year a J-10B was flying with a Ws-10X series engine. WS-15 engine programme now has a very firm foundation to be a success

China is now ahead of the Russians in avionics - Even Russians agree with this.

It is developing cutting edge AAMs like the PL-21D and Pl-10 which will be equal to anything that the US produces, let alone Russia

It has plenty of experience with 4th generation airframes in fighters such as JF-17 and J-10.


By 2020, China will lead Russia in every area.


LOL @ Indians cheerleading Russia again.

UK Bangladeshi bottom of all social indicators hows life in Tower Hamlets? the worse area in London

 

[UKBengali]

^^^ Yeti.

Life is very good in UK but I do not live in Tower Hamlets.

 

[Yeti]

^^^ Yeti.

Life is very good in UK but I do not live in Tower Hamlets.

Good job you don't its a proper shithole

 

[sweetgrape]

Really? so why have we acquired the Akula 2 nuclear submarine and have the Brahmos missile project with Russia?

So you have to pay for it, after ten years, you must return it!! And I remeber that, you had rented the Nuke submarine from Russian many years ago, And do Russia share their most advanced technology with you? I think not, So you have to rent Nuke submarine, you have no choice. About Brahmos, you always brag it, So, Do Russia share the ram engine technology with you? Even yes, do you think a missile is the most advanced technology, Give you a bait, earn more money!!!

Yep but we stick to our agreements unlike the Chinese thats why Russia will not share its most advanced technology as those found in the SU-35 without a concrete agreement.

Of course, Hope you can stick to your agreement!! And don't send the spies to other countries to steal technology!!
Whatever, you are poor, What you have is only "money"!!

 

[oct605032048]

Diffrence being China breaks contracts as it did with Russia when they cloned the SU-27

China copies Su-27 fighter, may compete with Russia - paper | Russia | RIA Novosti

Educate yourself. There was no "wisdom property treaty" in the 1990 Su-27 deal.

Sure thats why we build the Sukhoi MKI using Indian materials from start to finish in our own country but we do not steal or clone like the Chinese we have standards.

Good to know that Hindustan Aeronautics has Limited standard.

 

[Yeti]

So you have to pay for it, after ten years, you must return it!! And I remeber that, you had rented the Nuke submarine from Russian many years ago, And do Russia share their most advanced technology with you? I think not, So you have to rent Nuke submarine, you have no choice. About Brahmos, you always brag it, So, Do Russia share the ram engine technology with you? Even yes, do you think a missile is the most advanced technology, Give you a bait, earn more money!!!

Of course, Hope you can stick to your agreement!! And don't send the spies to other countries to steal technology!!
Whatever, you are poor, What you have is only "money"!!

You must be the brains of this 2 cent operation China? we can't buy a nuclear submarine as it breaks international law hence the lease.

Russia has been helping us with our own nuclear submarine project called the 'Advanced Technology Vessel' for many years

Educate yourself. There was no "wisdom property treaty" in the 1990 Su-27 deal.



Good to know that Hindustan Aeronautics has Limited standard.

You broke a agreement when you cloned the SU-27 you are indeed the copycat and photoshop masters I grant you that.

Russia asks China not to clone Su-35 fighters - English pravda.ru


Russia does not trust China and I can't blame them if past history is a indication.

the Russian side insists on stipulating legal warranties for observing the right to intellectual property to protect the Su-35 from possible Chinese counterfeits and prevent it from being sold in the markets of third countries at dumped prices.

There have been such precedents before. Chinese fighter J-10 is virtually a copy of Russian Su-27, and J-11 is the analogue of SU-30. According to experts, the interest of the Chinese to purchase a large lot of new fighters may be caused by exactly the desire to obtain access to the latest Russian technology. Beijing has not given consent to the legal registration of intellectual property rights on the Su-35, but in any case it would be very difficult to track the compliance with the agreement.

Chinese


China continues to buy Russian military jet engines and spare parts.


As of now, the J-20 flies with two Russian AL-31F jet engines it borrowed from the Russian Su-27 fighter jet that entered Chinese service in the mid-1980s.


China also tried to put engines of their own on a second test J-20 vehicle, but the copycat of the Soviet engine AL-31F made by China is not in the same league as the Russian analogue for reliability and durability.

The real problem is both AL-31F and Chinese version are engines of the previous generation.



China wants it's hands on the 117S engine but Russia will not make the same mistake twice now.

 

[Sanchez]

"Chinese fighter J-10 is virtually a copy of Russian Su-27, and J-11 is the analogue of SU-30."

How could you Indians are so stupid?

 

[Yeti]

"Chinese fighter J-10 is virtually a copy of Russian Su-27, and J-11 is the analogue of SU-30."

How could you Indians are so stupid?

This is from Russian media and you call us stupid? learn to read english first

Chinese clone of SU-27

 

[Joe Shearer]

The US and USSR didn't even bother with contracts. They just looted our technologies, patents and scientists. You dared to say no? The gulag in Siberia or the gallow in Nurmberg were compelling enough.

What self-pitying rubbish.

Which scientist of technician was sentenced to death at Nuremberg?