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WASHINGTON: From this city’s perspective, China looks like a rising giant, liable to dominate its smaller neighbors unless America stands firm. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel will likely carry soothing words of reassurance on this very subject to Seoul and Tokyo when he travels there next week.

From Beijing’s point of view, however, it is China that looks like the underdog – and, at least in the near term, they’ve got a point. Unfortunately, this sense of relative weakness doesn’t make the dragon pull in its horns. To the contrary, feeling vulnerable makes the Chinese skittish in dangerous and provocative ways.

Despite two decades of investment, China’s military is still outgunned by Japan, let alone by the US. “Japan has the strongest navy and air force in Asia except for the United States,” leading analyst Larry Wortzel said Wednesday at the Institute of World Politics, pointing at a map of northeast Asia: “This shows their air force bases and how they’re postured….”

“You said Japan?” interrupted an incredulous member of the audience.

“Japan, that’s correct, absolutely,” said Wortzel. “The most modern, the most effective. [They’re] still restricted by Article 9 of the Constitution” – which “forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation” – “but you don’t want to mess with them.”

And that’s just one US ally. South Korea has a formidable military of its own. Then there’s America’s own military which, despite painful budget cuts, remains the largest and most high-tech in the world, at least for now. So the balance of forces in the Western Pacific still favors the democracies.

That’s the geostrategic good news. The bad news is that Beijing isn’t handling it well.

Two centuries of insecurity have conditioned Chinese leaders to be a little light on the trigger finger. So while Chinese strategy documents consistently speak of self-defense – the current official “active defense” – “I think you have to not be very literal when you read this stuff,” Wortzel said. “It’s a fairly prickly and aggressive military doctrine inside a defensive structure.”

“A lot of what they do is very heavily built on preemption,” Wortzel explained. “When you read the diplomatic literature out of China, all their attacks are ‘preemptive counterattacks.’ When they went into Korea [in 1950], it was a preemptive counterattack. When they went into Vietnam [in 1974 and 1979], it was a preemptive counterattack. When they went into India in 1962, it was a preemptive counterattack.”

It’s not that China was entirely unprovoked in these cases. In 1950, they saw US forces steamrolling over their North Korean ally and surging towards the Chinese with no guarantee the Americans would stop at the Yalu. (Indeed, Gen. Douglas MacArthur wanted a wider war with China, which is why Harry Truman finally fired him). In both 1962 and 1979, there had been skirmishes along the disputed borders for years. But in each case, the Chinese response was to escalate – massively, bloodily, and unexpectedly.

These examples aren’t just ancient history. The principle of preemption is a big part of China’s “active defense” doctrine today, said retired Rear Admiral Michael McDevitt, speaking on a panel at the Wilson Center earlier on Wednesday. “They don’t have to wait and take the first shot,” he said. Indeed, Chinese doctrine does not limit itself to preempting a military attack, he said: “China claims ‘if you act diplomatically to challenge our sovereignty….we have the right to preemptively attack as part of our active defense strategy.’”

“If you’re a country that lives in the shadow of China, how would you feel?” asked McDevitt. “China says, don’t worry, ‘it’s only defense, I’m only defending myself against attack,’ but [China] can also argue that ‘I don’t like what you’re doing, and I see that as a threat to my sovereignty, and I’m going to whack you.’”

China’s broad definitions of sovereignty and self-defense are especially unnerving given its long-running standoffs with Japan over the Senkaku Islands, known as the Diaoyus in Chinese, and with the Philippines over the Scarborough Shoal.

“In China’s view, they are non-aggressive because they do employ predominantly civilian vessels that are not heavily armed,” said Danish scholar Liselotte Odgaard at the Wilson Center discussion. But China claims for both its paramilitary and military vessels the right “to do as we please, when we please, without notifying you, and that’s totally unacceptable to the other countries,” said Odgaard. That’s because the People’s Republic feels it has some claim to any territory once controlled by the Imperial China – however briefly and however loosely – while its neighbors argue that jurisdictional rights from the 19th century, let alone from earlier, have long since expired.

The Chinese position is that “we’re being generous here by letting you use this area,” Odgaard said. From Beijing’s point of view, in other words, they’re already making a concession on the disputed territories by not just kicking the Japanese, Filipinos, and others out.

That said, there is a distinctly pragmatic dimension to this “generosity,” because the People’s Liberation Army is painfully aware it lacks the firepower to kick them out. Unless China resorts to nuclear weapons, Japan and Korea can defend themselves. While weaker, the Philippines have had US backing for over a century, and Vietnam chewed up China’s invasion force in 1979 without any outside help. What China has been struggling to do for at least the last two decades is develop a military that can keep America at bay with what US strategists call an “anti-access/area-denial” (A2/AD) defense. How far the PLA has actually moved towards that goal is the subject of the second part of this article, out tomorrow.
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Well, it is true that China is still outgunned by Japan. Japan nationalized the Daiyu islands last year and basically Chinese response was very "unimpressive" to say the least.

CCP is not the answer for China to become a superpower. Communism is a foreign doctrine that does not suit traditional Chinese thinking. I think adopting the Qin's Legalist concept will make China strong.
 
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Well, it is true that China is still outgunned by Japan. Japan nationalized the Daiyu islands last year and basically Chinese response was very "unimpressive" to say the least.

CCP is not the answer for China to become a superpower. Communism is a foreign doctrine that does not suit traditional Chinese thinking. I think adopting the Qin's Legalist concept will make China strong.

Unimpressive? I thought its JMSDF that is unimpressive. Didn't Diaoyu island being guarded Japan and why didn't they shoot or ram CMS ship when they enter Diaoyu tai zone? :lol:

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It seems that CMS ship can roam freely and undisturbed in Diayutai zone. Didn't Japan say the area belongs to them. Why didn';t they take action when CMS ship can roam around? The question shall throw back to Japan.

As for China being outgunned by Japan is pure nonsense. If US guarantee it will not intervene in a conflict of Diaoyutai incident between Japan and China. I can be sure China will pinned down Japan without even using nuclear weapon.

When an all out conflict started. One cannot just look at navy alone. JSDAF is weak compare to PLAAF. The number of strike aircraft and fighter is far more than Japan has. Are they telling us in times of conflict, Airforce will just watch the navy to fight it out between themselves? :lol: clearly the US comment is from a moron.

Plus , China still has a powerful Second artillery with enough precision strike BM to rain down on Japan military asset.

No way this fight will just be a navy vs navy conflict. We are into the 21st century. Who is this American trying to kid? :lol:
 
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Unimpressive? I thought its JMSDF that is unimpressive. Didn't Diaoyu island being guarded Japan and why didn't they shoot or ram CMS ship when they enter Diaoyu tai zone? :lol:

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It seems that CMS ship can roam freely and undisturbed in Diayutai zone. Didn't Japan say the area belongs to them. Why didn';t they take action when CMS ship can roam around? The question shall throw back to Japan.

He is just another troll ID, i wonder if he is one of the multiple accounts possessed by that troll AKA "J-20". :coffee:
 
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China has a more powerful airforce than the Japanese as there is no way that the Japanese air-force can beat the 300 J-10 and 300 Su-27/30/J11.

It is true that the Japanese Navy is better than the Chinese but give it a few more years and with the induction of more Type-052C and the newer Type-052D, then China will be comfortably ahead.

By 2020, China will be >> Japan in military power
 
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Japan still has the strongest air force in Asia? Hah, is this article from the early 2000's? Clearly it's at least 10 years out of date. How many F-15J and F-2 do Japan have in total against China's Su-27/Su-30/J-11/JH-7A/J-10? Here is a hint, China outnumbers Japan at least 4 to 1 in the number of third generation fighter jets.
 
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:omghaha: Somebody's still sore after the humiliating beat-down in 1950.

I think it was a combine of USSR,China and North Korea that beat the western nations. USSR also beat the western nations(usa,britain) when they invaded it in Russian revolution and civil war.
 
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A war with Japan wouldn't be easy for China but Japan certainly don't outgun China in either land, sea or air. Japan have the slight edge technology-wise, at the moment, but in numbers, China are quite a bit ahead and the technology gap is ever closing.
 
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“Japan has the strongest navy and air force in Asia except for the United States,”

:omghaha:Now is 2013,not 2003
 
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A war with Japan wouldn't be easy for China but Japan certainly don't outgun China in either land, sea or air. Japan have the slight edge technology-wise, at the moment, but in numbers, China are quite a bit ahead and the technology gap is ever closing.

Japan have the slight edge technology-wise?

By old F-15J?:omghaha:
 
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Note: Japan does have a larger quantity of modern AAD destroyers, but those do not have land attack capabilities unlike the Chinese ones and will soon be outclassed by the future Chinese cruisers.

All the other stuff mentioned in this report are simply outdated analyses.
 
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When hegemony become habitual, they will be afraid of losing it, they attack any rival, and sow discord for defaming them, although they talk good in public, of course, some clown will stand out playing with, they also want get their extra benefit.

While USA attack others monitor their people and violate human rights, USA monitor their people, even more, the world, and have started more war than anyother country with the "perfect" and "noble" excuse for these, American real purpose? world hegemony, mess up the world, overthrow any country threating them, let all world serve USA.

Like hollywood firm, the good man is always American, sometimes, bad man too, but others just the supporting player, or cannon fodder, just set them off.
 
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China has a more powerful airforce than the Japanese as there is no way that the Japanese air-force can beat the 300 J-10 and 300 Su-27/30/J11.

It is true that the Japanese Navy is better than the Chinese but give it a few more years and with the induction of more Type-052C and the newer Type-052D, then China will be comfortably ahead.

By 2020, China will be >> Japan in military power

Please, we are talking about the same Japanese navy with their 200 km missiles? Should a pure ship to ship combat break out between PLA and JSDF, it will take Japanese ships 3 to 4 hours just to travel from the maximum range of Chinese missiles to a distance where they can actually fight back----assuming Chinese ships do not move at all and Chinese air force and secondary artillery corp haven't finished bombing the crap of them. We are talking a nation that has less military budget/GDP than even China and is known for producing tanks that cost more than a jet fighter while performing as well as their counterparts that has 1/16th the cost , how exactly is Japan going to be a credible military power on a budget like that?

JSDF, from the very beginning, is designed as supplementary force to US force stationed in Japan. As a result, the JSDF naval force heavily emphasize on anti-air and anti-submarine operations. The former is hampered by poor development of Japanese missile technology. They can probably out anti-submarine the Chinese navy, but when it comes to actual combat, it is rather lacking.
 
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I should have checked thevdate of the article. Why people like posting old article?
 
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Please, we are talking about the same Japanese navy with their 200 km missiles? Should a pure ship to ship combat break out between PLA and JSDF, it will take Japanese ships 3 to 4 hours just to travel from the maximum range of Chinese missiles to a distance where they can actually fight back----assuming Chinese ships do not move at all and Chinese air force and secondary artillery corp haven't finished bombing the crap of them. We are talking a nation that has less military budget/GDP than even China and is known for producing tanks that cost more than a jet fighter while performing as well as their counterparts that has 1/16th the cost , how exactly is Japan going to be a credible military power on a budget like that?

JSDF, from the very beginning, is designed as supplementary force to US force stationed in Japan. As a result, the JSDF naval force heavily emphasize on anti-air and anti-submarine operations. The former is hampered by poor development of Japanese missile technology. They can probably out anti-submarine the Chinese navy, but when it comes to actual combat, it is rather lacking.

we will send J10A/B and J11b take out the Japanese airforce and then follow J16 ,SU30mkk,JH7A undertake Japanese navy. Japan is easily outguned and doomed to be defeated. At the end, PLA navy will clean the battlefeild.
 
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