China could soon sink US in South China Sea

[Viet]

China cannot afford a war in it's front yard. It will disrupt it's bigger plans to be a moderately prosperous country. What China is doing is building a strong deterrence and complicates any US intervention.
Right now US do not have a upper hand so there will be no war.

There is a flaw in your thought.

Warmongers don’t think in that way.
Adolf Hitler thought Germany could attack Poland without risking a total war with England and France.
Xi Jingping and Wei Fenghe think they could attack Vietnam and weaker nations without risking a total war with America.

It’s best Vietnam and weaker nations in SE Asia step up military spendings. As for Vietnam I think it’s sooner or later we will go nuclear.

Believing to chinese peaceful rise is like kindergarten kids believing to Nicolaus at Christmas.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

There is a flaw in your thought.

Warmongers don’t think in that way.
Adolf Hitler thought Germany could attack Poland without risking a total war with England and France.
Xi Jingping and Wei Fenghe think they could attack Vietnam and weaker nations without risking a total war with America.

It’s best Vietnam and weaker nations in SE Asia step up military spendings. As for Vietnam I think it’s sooner or later we will go nuclear.

Poland was a British ally.

Vietnam is not a US ally.

Vietnam does not have the capability to go nuclear. If Vietnam tries, its capability to go nuclear will be destroyed like Israel did to Syria and Iraq. Vietnam does not have the air defense capability to stop this from occurring.

 

[alee92nawaz]

China could soon sink US in South China Sea
Recent US deployment to contested waterway likely has Chinese strategic planners thinking: 'So that's all you've got?'
By GRANT NEWSHAMAPRIL 23, 2020

The US amphibious assault ship USS America arrives at the Sattahip Naval Base in Chonburi, Thailand, ahead of the joint 'Cobra Gold' military exercise on February 22, 2020. It is currently patrolling in the South China Sea near Chinese Navy ships. Photo: AFP/Handout/Royal Thai Navy

Nations, like sports teams, don’t always recognize when they might get knocked off their perch.

The USS America, a new amphibious assault ship, is now patrolling in the South China Sea with another US cruiser, a US destroyer and an Australian destroyer.

They are operating near where a Chinese research vessel backed by Chinese Coast Guard ships is in a standoff with Malaysian ships. The Malaysians object to the Chinese being inside their Exclusive Economic Zone, which China claims as its own, along with most of the South China Sea.

Rear Admiral Fred Kacher, commander of the America Expeditionary Strike Group, stated: “To bring this much combat capability together here in the South China Sea truly signals to our allies and partners in the region that we are deeply committed to a free and open Indo-Pacific.”

Maybe. But Washington’s demonstration of capability and commitment might also look like a temptation from Beijing’s vantage point.

Australia’s welcome contribution aside, the US squadron now in the South China Sea is pretty much on its own. And three ships are just three ships.

One wonders how much backup they have? Perhaps a submarine or two nearby. But air support? The USS America has some F35s and helicopters, but it is no aircraft carrier.

The nearest carriers are far away. The USS Theodore Roosevelt is in Guam owing to a coronavirus outbreak among the crew. And the USS Ronald Reagan carrier is in port in far way Japan.

US Navy sailors move aircraft from an elevator into the hangar bay of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt in the South China Sea April 8, 2018. Photo: U.S. Navy/Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Michael Hogan/Handout

Land-based air support? That is a stretch with the closest US air bases on Guam (nearly 2,000 miles away) and Okinawa (nearly 1,500 miles distant.)

The People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) simply has far more ships in the South China Sea and close by. Estimates for the region range from five to ten Chinese warships for each US Navy ship. And the oft-presumed superior American capability does not even things up.

The Chinese might be thinking: “So that’s all you’ve got?” And the USS America’s commander might be feeling a little lonely.

He would not be the first American naval commander to feel that way. In the 2000’s one such commander noted that his biggest fear was that he would be put so far forward with no support that China would not be deterred from “taking a shot.”

And that was some years ago. Both China and its military are much stronger and less inhibited these days.

Rhyming history?
Sending US ships into waters where they are outnumbered by capable Chinese naval forces fronting for an increasingly belligerent Beijing brings to mind some not-so-distant history.

In late 1941, Great Britain had its hands full with the Germans. Meanwhile, the Japanese were posturing aggressively in Southeast Asia. The UK government had to do something to show its power in Asia in hopes of deterring the Japanese from making a move.

So it sent the battleship HMS Prince of Wales along with an older cruiser, HMS Repulse, to Britain’s main Asian naval base in Singapore. The Prince of Wales was modern and powerful. US President Roosevelt and UK Prime Minister Churchill had even met aboard the battleship a few months earlier off Canada to work out the Atlantic Charter.

Sending the ships to Singapore was considered a show of resolve, as well as a major addition to British military power in the region.

They arrived on December 2, 1941. Less than a week later the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the Philippines, and landed troops in northern Malaya and southern Thailand. HMS Prince of Wales, HMS Repulse and several destroyers (Force Z) sailed up the east coast of Malaya hoping to pitch into the Japanese transport fleet that landed the invasion force.

The British had no air cover, though it might not have helped if they’d had it.

Force Z was spotted. Land-based Japanese bombers (operating out of Indochina) found and sank both HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse. The attackers’ prowess at torpedo attacks surprised the British. The Japanese weren’t supposed to be that good.

The sinking of both ships was a huge psychological blow both in Singapore and in London. At great cost and suffering enormous misery, Britain (along with the Americans, the Australians and Empire forces) did retake its Asian colonies.

But the disaster that had befallen HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse, followed by the fall of Singapore two months later, was the beginning of the end of British power in Asia.

So watching USS America in the South China Sea – and hearing American spokesmen declaring that it sends a powerful message – uncomfortably brings to mind Force Z in 1942.

Chinese President Xi Jinping inspects a joint military exercise in the South China Sea in April 2018. Photo: Xinhua
Chinese President Xi Jinping can figure out which side has more ships, aircraft and missiles at hand. If Xi thinks the US is distracted or otherwise weak, well, who knows?

It is not a stretch to believe China understands that a single blow like the sinking of the USS America could have the same impact as the Japanese sinking of the Prince of Wales and Repulse, especially given the number of body blows the coronavirus has dealt to America.

Xi might also think China could get away with it.

The US Navy now faces a serious mismatch in Asia. One watched it happen as China cranked out four warships for every American one made over the last decade – and China keeps building more. Meanwhile, US ship numbers have barely budged and the American shipbuilding effort has been unimpressive, to put the situation charitably.

Washington either gets things in order, or it should not be surprised if someday there’s a reprise of the HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse, but this time with American not British ships sinking into the sea.


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US airforce/Naval airforce will send the Chinese navy into Oblivion before they even fire something

 

[TruthSeeker]

I can only hope China will be a better world-leader than the United States has been.

Like I said, deep, deep, deep blue in today's American political construct. But red, red, red all the way from 1917 by world standards. I can only be sad that someone with your two flags hates his country so much. It must be constantly depressing and frustrating. One word of advice to end your depression and find happiness: emigrate.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Poland was a British ally.

Vietnam is not a US ally.

Vietnam does not have the capability to go nuclear. If Vietnam tries, its capability to go nuclear will be destroyed like Israel did to Syria and Iraq. Vietnam does not have the air defense capability to stop this from occurring.

Who will destroy VN when there r thousands Russian experts living in VN now ??

Who dare to kill Putin's men in VN ?? You ?? Wow, wake up and keep cleaning disks in dirty Cnese resto dude

 

[Blue In Green]

Like I said, deep, deep, deep blue in today's American political construct. But red, red, red all the way from 1917 by world standards. I can only be sad that someone with your two flags hates his country so much. It must be constantly depressing and frustrating. One word of advice to end your depression and find happiness: emigrate.

One word of advice, mind your damn own business, I really don't care what some internet nobody has to say about my own life, happiness and self-worth lol. My life is my own "Truth"Seeker and I don't 'hate' the U.S.: truly amazing how one can, again, come to the erroneous conclusion that someone else 'hates' something even when they don't know much of anything about the person they just blindly assumed something about. Here I'll go ahead and assume something about you: it's clear that you're a man that bathes in the mud every other Tuesday whilst singing Yankee Doodle Dandy, holding a duck shaped toothbrush. See how stupid assuming things can be? This is what you did, so grow up and act your age.

Honestly for the life of me I just don't know why your type always conflates love of the nation with politics/geo-politics/military/government/partisanship/political parties etc. One doesn't have to love any of those aforementioned points in order to love, much less admire the country they live in. What if I said I hated the U.S. gov and military but loved my home state/country, its people, local culture and the scenery? Does my loathing of those two abhorrent institutions (imo) negate my passion for my state/country/county and people? The answer is it doesn't (but you don't care), moreover "Truth"Seeker, you do indeed seem to a have a very binary outlook on things. You are a George Bush Jr. (not literally FYI) type person who thinks in ones and twos. It's either one way or another, hate or love, good or bad, black or white (deluded to the extreme to think this way) so I know what I'm saying simply will not get across to you but I'm wasting my time nonetheless.

One can have admiration for the nation they were born in and still be able to dislike or not support other aspects of the country, this DOES NOT WHATSOEVER = HATRED OF THE NATION. Also I won't be moving anytime soon, if ever. I have a life, job, friend and family to see and take care of. So do please shove it where the sun doesn't shine you mong.

 

[Nan Yang]

There is a flaw in your thought.

Warmongers don’t think in that way.
Adolf Hitler thought Germany could attack Poland without risking a total war with England and France.
Xi Jingping and Wei Fenghe think they could attack Vietnam and weaker nations without risking a total war with America.

It’s best Vietnam and weaker nations in SE Asia step up military spendings. As for Vietnam I think it’s sooner or later we will go nuclear.

Believing to chinese peaceful rise is like kindergarten kids believing to Nicolaus at Christmas.

You have mis understood China.
Warfare is not just about military force.

 

[Zsari]

yeah china just don't have the ball to shoot first because once the trigger's pulled ,they know what will happen next.

The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. There is no need for a shooting war with the US ever. As the balance of power shift, the US will find the cost of maintaining its fleet is more than the significance of its presence in the region. Just think 50 years from now when the Chinese fleet dwarf that of the US presence in the West Pacific. You think the US would not reconsider keep on paying the tremendous cost of its global deployment with diminished relevance in them? China is playing the long game.

 

[Nan Yang]

Like I said, deep, deep, deep blue in today's American political construct. But red, red, red all the way from 1917 by world standards. I can only be sad that someone with your two flags hates his country so much. It must be constantly depressing and frustrating. One word of advice to end your depression and find happiness: emigrate.

Actually I would recommend you moved to China for a few years.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Who will destroy VN when there r thousands Russian experts living in VN now ??

Who dare to kill Putin's men in VN ?? You ?? Wow, wake up and keep cleaning disks in dirty Cnese resto dude

It will be targetted destruction of Vietnamese military assets with no collateral damage to the Russians, who will also be warned to evacuate. You won't be able to move your equipment such as generators for your illegal military programs though. It will be pin point accuracy to remove Vietnam's ability for aggression.

 

[striver44]

Just think 50 years from now when the Chinese fleet dwarf that of the US presence in the West Pacific. .

no you will not, the US continue to build ships and you have a lot to catch up in terms of numbers. in tonnage the US navy is larger and it's ships are generally more powerful than yours.

You think the US would not reconsider keep on paying the tremendous cost of its global deployment with diminished relevance in them? China is playing the long game.

the global deployment is what keeping the US led liberal world order goin, so yes they will continue to deploy and throw money into the Pacific to let the status quo of free and open indo-pac exist.

 

[Zsari]

no you will not, the US continue to build ships and you have a lot to catch up in terms of numbers. in tonnage the US navy is larger and it's ships are generally more powerful than yours.

Sure US will continue to build ships, but it is an eventuality that the Chinese navy will surpass US in tonnage at least in the region as US deployment is global. Is the US going to abandon the rest of the world to shift its forces to the West Pacific. Even if so, that will only delay the inevitable. You are simply looking the current equation, but 50 years from now, a hundred years from now, US global influence will wane. The ability to sustain not only a global reach but one that can overwhelm every other regional competitor is simply not feasible.

the global deployment is what keeping the US led liberal world order goin, so yes they will continue to deploy and throw money into the Pacific to let the status quo of free and open indo-pac exist.

No amount of military deployment will hold back economic decline and political incompetency. Your claim is as ridiculous as that of the domino theory.

 

[Blue In Green]

Sure US will continue to build ships, but it is an eventuality that the Chinese navy will surpass US in tonnage at least in the region as US deployment is global. Is the US going to abandon the rest of the world to shift its forces to the West Pacific. Even if so, that will only delay the inevitable. You are simply looking the current equation, but 50 years from now, a hundred years from now, US global influence will wane. The ability to sustain not only a global reach but one that can overwhelm every other regional competitor is simply not feasible.



No amount of military deployment will hold back economic decline and political incompetency. Your claim is as ridiculous as that of the domino theory.

If I'm not mistaken the PLAN does indeed have more surface vessels than the USN does.

 

[striver44]

Sure US will continue to build ships, but it is an eventuality that the Chinese navy will surpass US in tonnage at least in the region

that's a looong way to go, you forgot to mention that US allies have been stepping up shipbuilding as well, Japan for example.

as US deployment is global.

The pacific fleet alone is enough for you, and if it's not then the US have more ships to be called from around the world. it's not like russia is going to be a competitor for the US Navy in the Atlantic while they're in regression back to littoral Navies, The Europeans is more than enough to take care of Russia.

Even if so, that will only delay the inevitable. You are simply looking the current equation, but 50 years from now, a hundred years from now, US global influence will wane.

In 50 years or so, Xi Jinping would likely been dead, and as history tells it, the death of a strongman would create political instability as people are fighting for a successor, that's a good thing consider a political turmoil would distract China from expanding outside and more inward looking.

No amount of military deployment will hold back economic decline and political incompetency. Your claim is as ridiculous as that of the domino theory.

China economy would contract once it's population getting older, the US has the advantage in more younger population than China

 

[Zsari]

that's a looong way to go, you forgot to mention that US allies have been stepping up shipbuilding as well, Japan for example.

You really think Japan is your ally? There is no ally when you can no longer exert control over them. Remember, there is no permanent friend, no permanent foe, only permanent interests. As if Japan doesn't remember who nuked them.

The pacific fleet alone is enough for you, and if it's not then the US have more ships to be called from around the world. it's not like russia is going to be a competitor for the US Navy in the Atlantic while they're in regression back to littoral Navies, The Europeans is more than enough to take care of Russia.

How naïve. The Europeans are saying goodbye to the US. Russia is no longer a threat to their existence, and the powers there will want to move away from US dominance as well, not just Russia. Germany, France, you think they are all happy with their US overlord?

In 50 years or so, Xi Jinping would likely been dead, and as history tells it, the death of a strongman would create political instability as people are fighting for a successor, that's a good thing consider a political turmoil would distract China from expanding outside and more inward looking.

Sure, pinning your hope on political instability has worked out well over the past 60 years. China will always be there, and its goal of removing any foreign domination in its region will always be there. That's beyond any single individual or party in China. Again, national interests dictates.

China economy would contract once it's population getting older, the US has the advantage in more younger population than China

It is the age of AI and robotics. You have been living in the past.