China amends rules to improve Party work in armed forces

[Lankan Ranger]

China amends rules to improve Party work in armed forces

China's Central Military Commission has amended a regulation to improve the operation of Party organs in armed forces, said a statement issued here Tuesday.

The amendment has incorporated the principles and spirits of the 17th Communist Party of China (CPC) National Congress, the Fourth and Fifth Plenum of the 17th CPC Central Committee into the regulation, said the statement from the commission.

The amendment has been approved by Chinese President Hu Jintao, also chairman of the commission.

The amended rules aim to reinforce the guidelines of Scientific Outlook on Development in the development of national defense and armed forces, the statement said.

It reflects the new missions of Chinese armed forces to increase the core capability of winning local wars in conditions of informatization and the capability of conducting military operations other than war, the statement said.

It also includes recent moves to regulate the behavior of military officers and anti-corruption rules.

With the new rules, the CPC organs in armed forces will work to improve decision making in a scientific, democratic and lawful way, add creativity in their daily work, unite soldiers and officers and improve efficiency so as to play a leading role in the development of armed forces and the operation of their missions, it said.

http://eng.mod.gov.cn/TopNews/2011-02/09/content_4223418.htm

 

[anon45]

Politics mixing with the military, don't see how this can be good.

 

[CardSharp]

Politics mixing with the military, don't see how this can be good.

I think the political officer system isn't a bad idea. They are not the stereotypes you see in world war two movies about the soviets. They are there to do things like ensure quality of life, organizing events for the troops etc. Adding the anti-corruption role can only add one more line of defence for keeping officers on the straight and narrow.

 

[S10]

I do not think the Chinese military should belong to any party. As of now it is little more than a private army of the CCP, and accountable to no others.

 

[applesauce]

I do not think the Chinese military should belong to any party. As of now it is little more than a private army of the CCP, and accountable to no others.

well while the CCP runs china with a single party republic there is no difference between being a army of the party and army of the state, however the army must never be allowed to be independent, maybe they can have it be more independent from the party but not the state, however with the party being the state by default, this is very hard to do.

 

[CardSharp]

well while the CCP runs china with a single party republic there is no difference between being a army of the party and army of the state, however the army must never be allowed to be independent, maybe they can have it be more independent from the party but not the state, however with the party being the state by default, this is very hard to do.

And there lays the uncomfortable problem but we'll get it figured out one day.

 

[S10]

well while the CCP runs china with a single party republic there is no difference between being a army of the party and army of the state, however the army must never be allowed to be independent, maybe they can have it be more independent from the party but not the state, however with the party being the state by default, this is very hard to do.

You should be well aware that the PLA had always played a role in Chinese politics, much more than it is to my liking. In addition, its ultimate loyalty is with the communist party, not the Chinese state. It makes transition to a more open political environment difficult.

 

[below_freezing]

You should be well aware that the PLA had always played a role in Chinese politics, much more than it is to my liking. In addition, its ultimate loyalty is with the communist party, not the Chinese state. It makes transition to a more open political environment difficult.

The party might as well be the state. This all goes back to 1945 when Mao and Jiang were debating - elections first, or disarm the PLA first. Jiang obviously wanted to disarm the PLA then hold... "elections". Mao wanted elections to be carried out before the PLA disarmed. They couldn't agree, so the NRA and the PLA fought, and PLA won.

This means that the PLA nominally being under state control (it is already de facto under state control, as the leader of the party is also the leader of the state) will return once Taiwan is reunified with the mainland.

Also, the PLA didn't really hold loyalty to the Party either in the past; nominally it does, but in reality it seizes power by itself in times of crisis. In 1989 the General Secretary was Zhao Ziyang. He refused to order a crackdown. Deng, the leader of the CMC and of no other position in either Party or state, overrode him and there was a crackdown. Simple.

The PLA, however, commands much more respect in society than either the Party or the State.

 

[S10]

The party might as well be the state. This all goes back to 1945 when Mao and Jiang were debating - elections first, or disarm the PLA first. Jiang obviously wanted to disarm the PLA then hold... "elections". Mao wanted elections to be carried out before the PLA disarmed. They couldn't agree, so the NRA and the PLA fought, and PLA won.

This means that the PLA nominally being under state control (it is already de facto under state control, as the leader of the party is also the leader of the state) will return once Taiwan is reunified with the mainland.

Also, the PLA didn't really hold loyalty to the Party either in the past; nominally it does, but in reality it seizes power by itself in times of crisis. In 1989 the General Secretary was Zhao Ziyang. He refused to order a crackdown. Deng, the leader of the CMC and of no other position in either Party or state, overrode him and there was a crackdown. Simple.

The PLA, however, commands much more respect in society than either the Party or the State.

A political party should NOT be the state, and the military should demonstrate no loyalty towards any particular party. Furthermore, the military should NOT interfere with a civilian government. The party leadership had consolidated their control of the PLA since 1989, and this is an obstacle to future political reform. It's not a healthy system for openess and accountability, pure and simple.

 

[below_freezing]

A political party should NOT be the state, and the military should demonstrate no loyalty towards any particular party. Furthermore, the military should NOT interfere with a civilian government. The party leadership had consolidated their control of the PLA since 1989, and this is an obstacle to future political reform. It's not a healthy system for openess and accountability, pure and simple.

Give me a break, the PLA has been significantly reduced of power in politics since 1989 as well, and there have been zero, absolutely zero cases of corrupt officials "threatening to use the PLA". In fact they try to stay as far away from the PLA as possible. There is no evidence that the PLA is obstructing openness and accountability and increasing corruption. These two issues have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

 

[S10]

Give me a break, the PLA has been significantly reduced of power in politics since 1989 as well, and there have been zero, absolutely zero cases of corrupt officials "threatening to use the PLA". In fact they try to stay as far away from the PLA as possible. There is no evidence that the PLA is obstructing openness and accountability and increasing corruption. These two issues have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

You are saying PRC is open to democratic reforms and CCP is willing to loose its grip on power? I hope you are joking. As long as CCP has control the military, they can and likely will use it to reinforce their rule. If China is to have a change of power, the military has to be free of CCP leadership first.

These issues are inter-related.

 

[below_freezing]

You are saying PRC is open to democratic reforms and CCP is willing to loose its grip on power? I hope you are joking. As long as CCP has control the military, they can and likely will use it to reinforce their rule. If China is to have a change of power, the military has to be free of CCP leadership first.

These issues are inter-related.

There is democracy within the party. There is no difference between 2 parties and 1. Look at the US. Will any 1 party renounce free market economics and start believing in communism? Impossible. Does any 1 of them dare cut the military budget? No. Does any one of them stop the spying on americans, highest number and rate of prisoners in the world, torture in guantanamo, occupation of 2 sovereign nations? Obongo said they'd be out of iraq. Sure, it happened, but that's because they changed the definition of what it means to be "in iraq". The US still has 50000 "military consultants" there. They're singing the same words with a different tune.

 

[CardSharp]

There is democracy within the party. There is no difference between 2 parties and 1. Look at the US. Will any 1 party renounce free market economics and start believing in communism? Impossible. Does any 1 of them dare cut the military budget? No. Does any one of them stop the spying on americans, highest number and rate of prisoners in the world, torture in guantanamo, occupation of 2 sovereign nations? Obongo said they'd be out of iraq. Sure, it happened, but that's because they changed the definition of what it means to be "in iraq". The US still has 50000 "military consultants" there. They're singing the same words with a different tune.

America should hardly be the standard of good governance, we aspire to.

 

[S10]

There is democracy within the party. There is no difference between 2 parties and 1. Look at the US. Will any 1 party renounce free market economics and start believing in communism? Impossible. Does any 1 of them dare cut the military budget? No. Does any one of them stop the spying on americans, highest number and rate of prisoners in the world, torture in guantanamo, occupation of 2 sovereign nations? Obongo said they'd be out of iraq. Sure, it happened, but that's because they changed the definition of what it means to be "in iraq". The US still has 50000 "military consultants" there. They're singing the same words with a different tune.

Are you seriously equating how United States treat its own citizens to China? Last time I've checked, everyone gets universal sufferage in U.S. Democracy within the party? Heh there was democracy inside Mubarak and Stalin's inner circles too. We call that an oligarchy.

United States is not some kind of holy symbol, but sticking up for CCP to the point of being selectively blind?

 

[below_freezing]

Voting doesn't actually mean anything is being done. I vote for class president too! Does that mean I have any power (or even the president has any power)? NO! The teacher has power. Who told you that voting does anything? BTW anyone can vote in China as well but it's just as useless as it is in the US. All you need to do is register at the place of your residence as stated on your Hukou. There are also something like 50% more candidates than seats so you can filter out the worst mafia criminals but it's still useless. Here's the website that tells you everything you need to know.

http://www.chinaelections.org/

Also, if inner party democracy doesn't work, France is not a democracy either. There are more party members than French people so if 70 million isn't enough for democracy neither is France.

Here's how one person said it:

http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/205466307.html?si=5

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