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[JohnWick]

J-16 isn't based on the Su-30MKM, which the Chinese never bought.

It all based in om grand father su-30.

 

[LKJ86]

It all based in om grand father su-30.

Su-27UBK -> J-11BS -> J-16

Su-27SK -> J-11A -> J-11B -> J-11D

 

[Akasa]

It all based in om grand father su-30.

It's based on the J-11BS.

 

[Deino]

It's based on the J-11BS.

No, the J-16 is clearly a Su-30MKK development. Just look at the airframe, the stronger gears, the taller tails plus tanks, the IFR-probe.

 

[Akasa]

No, the J-16 is clearly a Su-30MKK development. Just look at the airframe, the stronger gears, the taller tails plus tanks, the IFR-probe.

If you look at the tips of the vertical stabilizers, they match that of the J-11BS, not the Su-30MKK.

 

[Deino]

If you look at the tips of the vertical stabilizers, they match that of the J-11BS, not the Su-30MKK.

No they don't. The whole structure is taller including the taller rudder even if fin-cap is indeed not squared.

 

[Akasa]

No they don't. The whole structure is taller including the taller rudder even if fin-cap is indeed not squared.

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Interesting. How did they manage to do that though, given that they weren't license-producing MKKs?

 

[Deino]

Interesting. How did they manage to do that though, given that they weren't license-producing MKKs?

... how did they manage to this for the J-15 given that they weren't license-producing Su-33 or how did they manage to this for the J-11BS given that they weren't license-producing Su-27UBK?

IMO by a decent analysis of the original parts and re-engineering. Or they got unofficially a licence that was never announced to the public??!! Just an idea.

 

[Akasa]

... how did they manage to this for the J-15 given that they weren't license-producing Su-33 or how did they manage to this for the J-11BS given that they weren't license-producing Su-27UBK?

IMO by a decent analysis of the original parts and re-engineering. Or they got unofficially a licence that was never announced to the public??!! Just an idea.

They had a T10K prototype from Ukraine from which they developed the J-15. The initial license-produced Su-27SKs were from disassembled kits that could've given them a head start in developing the 11BS, or perhaps they took apart an UBK airframe.

I don't think there was ever reports of a MKK being disassembled (which would cause logistical issues) or the Chinese pursuing a license (which surely would've been reported by the Russians). The mystery remains.

 

[925boy]

A better question is how a country that had a 30 years headstart ends up being nearly caught up now.

Succesful persistent large scale industrial espionage.

 

[Deino]

They had a T10K prototype from Ukraine from which they developed the J-15. The initial license-produced Su-27SKs were from disassembled kits that could've given them a head start in developing the 11BS, or perhaps they took apart an UBK airframe.

I don't think there was ever reports of a MKK being disassembled (which would cause logistical issues) or the Chinese pursuing a license (which surely would've been reported by the Russians). The mystery remains.

Yes, for the J-15 my reply was more a joke, however for the J-11BS and J-16 they could have easily studiey the structure of of of those MKKs, which were destroyed in that storm a few years after delivery.

 

[Mohrenn]

Succesful persistent large scale industrial espionage.

Persistent large scale data protection incompetence

 

[Pepsi Cola]

Succesful persistent large scale industrial espionage.

I thought it's a state secret? lmao

 

[LKJ86]

they could have easily studiey the structure of of of those MKKs, which were destroyed in that storm a few years after delivery.

They were Su-27SKs in 1996.

 

[LKJ86]

No, the J-16 is clearly a Su-30MKK development. Just look at the airframe, the stronger gears, the taller tails plus tanks, the IFR-probe.

If you are SAC and have developed J-11BS already, will you choose to copy Su-30MKK from zero, or develop J-16 on the base of J-11BS inspired by Su-30MKK?
Besides, you must know that J-16 and Su-30MKK have different interior structures.