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[qwerrty]

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24 Su 35 and 4 LADA Class submarines according to news report

it just reporting on another report that reporting another report on and on...


this thread gonna be bumped up later on for laugh like that arresting gear

 

[sancho]

Replacement may be possible, but they won't be as good.. else Russia won't have bought them from India in the first place.

Of course China can buy them, since Russia can sell them BARS with the original Russian systems as well, or simply take some from the IRBIS E. India can't to anything about it, only to deny Indian parts.

Further, Su-35 doesn't simulate Su-30MKI since it evolved from Su-27, not from Su-30.

MKI = Su 30MK INDIA
MKM = Su 30MK Malaysia

So it's a varient of the Su 30MK

That's why Su-30MKI is 4.5 gen, while the base version Su-30 (including Su-30MKK) is only 4 gen.

Not really, the main difference are the Russian features like the BARS PESA radar, compared to the puls doppler radars in the MKK, or the canards / TVNs for increased maneuverability which sets it appart. The customisations with India, French or Israeli stuff a minor differences in that regard.

Rafale is multirole fighter and PAKFA will be airsuperity so no comparison btw two.

Any fighter that can be used in A2A and A2G roles is a multi role fighter, the differences are only how balanced the design and capabilities are for both roles, or how specialised the fighter is for one of the roles.

The Su-35 is pretty on par with the AESA-upgraded J-11Bs and also the new J-15 and J-16. I can see no other role for the Su-35 in the PLAAF besides aggressor simulation.

Maybe you want to post reliable specs of the J11B, to compare it to the Su 35, then you might get a better idea of the differences.

 

[zandubam]

Beijing and Moscow have signed two
contracts for China to buy Russian
fighter jets and submarines.
China Central Television reported
that the purchase deals were signed
before President Xi Jinping’s just-
concluded visit to Russia, China Daily
reported Tuesday.
The purchases represented “the first
time in nearly 10 years” that China
had bought large military
technological equipment from
Russia, the report said.
The four submarines will be jointly
designed and built by both
countries, with two of them to be
built in Russia and the other two in
China.
“The Su-35 fighters can effectively
reduce pressure on China’s air
defense before Chinese-made stealth
fighters come online,” the report
said.

 

[djsjs]

anything big enough to open a new thread?
true or not,only 24 planes ,about 1% of China airforce.
and they would be in east China,thousands miles away from your motherland.dont worry.no wars in near future.
only 24.......only 1%

 

[cnleio]

buy 24x Su-35 is just a normal deal, buy 240x Su-35 that's a big enough deal in China.
RELAX

 

[Beast]

Sorry, nothing is comfirmed. The CCTV just recycle the rumour float around the net. Kremlin has denied any of this deal. Rosoboronexport has not make any statement. Same as MOD of China. You can check out their website. If any deal is signed, they are the official spokesmen to announce the news.

Russia: No Deal on Sale of Fighters, Subs to China | Defense News | defensenews.com

Russia is denying Chinese media claims that Moscow and Beijing have signed agreements to sell Russian-made arms and military technology to China, including 24 Su-35 multirole fighter jets and four Amur-class diesel submarines.

During a recent visit by Chinese President Xi Jinping to Moscow from Friday to Sunday, no discussions took place regarding “military-technical cooperation” issues, the ITAR-TASS news agency reported Monday. This was in response to an earlier report by China’s CCTV on the same day.

“The Kremlin is officially denying even discussing arms trade during Xi’s visit,” said Vasiliy Kashin, a China military specialist at the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST). “In Russia-China relations, specific arms trade contracts are almost never discussed by the top leaders, just the general approaches.”

Another defense industry source in Russia said there are strong reservations about going forward on the memorandum of understanding signed in December to explore the sale of the twin-engine Su-35s and Amur submarines to China.

China intentionally violated intellectual property right (IPR) agreements when it copied and manufactured Russia’s Su-27 fighter as the J-11B, according to Russia.

In 1995, China secured a production deal with Russia to build 200 Su-27SKs, dubbed the J-11A, for $2.5 billion for the Shenyang Aircraft Corp. In 2006, Russia canceled the deal after 95 aircraft when it discovered China had reverse-engineered the fighter and was secretly manufacturing an indigenous copy, the J-11B, with Chinese-made avionics and engines.

There are strong suspicions China will procure the technological know-how of the Su-35 and Amur and simply produce an indigenous version.

But not all agree. Gary Li, a senior analyst at London-based IHS Fairplay, said China’s research and development have moved forward.

“It no longer will seek to directly reverse engineer everything it buys, but maybe adopt parts of the platform for other projects [and] integrate into domestic designs,” he said.

There also are concerns China wants access to the Su-35’s Saturn AL-117S engine, which is outfitted on the T-50, a prototype of Russia’s fifth-generation Sukhoi PAK FA stealth fighter.

However, Kashin said the risks of selling the Russian engine to China are negligible.

“An engine cannot be copied by obtaining a sample,” he said.

Li said he could envision Chinese aerospace engineers studying the aircraft’s engine and thrust-vectoring for future inclusion, as well as the Amur sub’s air-independent propulsion, but it will still be more than a decade before China will stop having to order engines to replace “worn-out ones,” as it has been doing with the J-11 and J-10 fighters.

“It always takes a few years before they can make a domestic alternative,” Li said.

Kashin cautions that a Chinese attempt to copy the Su-35, as they did with the Su-27, would be more difficult, “because this time, our Ukrainian ‘brothers’ cannot help them by selling the Chinese all the technology they lacked for a handful of dollars. I think the Amur situation will be generally the same.”

Ukraine has been accused of selling China former Soviet defense technologies, but it has no access to information regarding newer systems, such as the Su-35 and Amur.

“The Amur ultimately isn’t a strategic submarine, and as Russia’s interests in the Far East are not yet that ambitious, they can afford to sell them to China,” Li said. “How better to keep the U.S. pivot off their backs?”

 

[djsjs]

haha,the story of China buy su35 will go on

 

[djsjs]

You do recognise how much of the left over 99% is the submation of hundreds of 3rd generation junks that barely fly ?

i do know that the 99% junks are nightmare of many enemies,haha,calm down.you need to think twice before speak

 

[Yogi]

i m sick of these 24 SU35 threads...

Plz wait for some official confirmation from Chinese side...

 

[Beast]

Is it worth being jealous of ?

THat question needs to be ask at your compatriot. Look at previous post and see how this thread turns into a flame thread.

But PLAAF is definitely a airforce everybody envy. It got a big paycheck while many other airforce got a fee cut. And every new advance things pop out quickly for PLAAF.

Next generation SRAAM PL-10

Fifth Generation fighter SRAAM arming and unarming process/mechanism

I am not sure how many airforce can do or afford that?

 

[Peregrine]

By spreading these rumours Indians just want to prove that Chinese own fighter jets are inferior, therefore China is going for 24 Russian birds, but same logic is not applicable when Bharut opts for 126 Rafales despite having super-duper MKI's.....

 

[Rocky25]

By spreading these rumours Indians just want to prove that Chinese own fighter jets are inferior, therefore China is going for 24 Russian birds, but same logic is not applicable when Bharut opts for 126 Rafales despite having super-duper MKI's.....

Let us leave the Chinese buying Su 35 for now..... As there is NO credible news from either side.

FYI.... Sukoi 30 MKI is a Air Superiority fighter and Rafales are Multi-role fighter... If you cannot understand the difference... then good luck!

 

[3Idiots]

By spreading these rumours Indians just want to prove that Chinese own fighter jets are inferior, therefore China is going for 24 Russian birds, but same logic is not applicable when Bharut opts for 126 Rafales despite having super-duper MKI's.....

Now this is indeed being jealous ..... damn.. nobody is spreading rumours that Pakistan is buying 48 F-16s or 36 Eurofighters.

(off course, Pakistan doesn't need them.. its buying them only for political reasons. )

We need to give more news space to Pakistan.. for sure.

 

[Peregrine]

Now this is indeed being jealous ..... damn.. nobody is spreading rumours that Pakistan is buying 48 F-16s or 36 Eurofighters.

(off course, Pakistan doesn't need them.. its buying them only for political reasons. )

We need to give more news space to Pakistan.. for sure.

Cant reason with your own twisted logic now cant you.......look around this is like a gazillionth thread created by a bhaarti to further the delusional subjectivity over some thing which isnt even officially confirmed by the concerned parties. PAF doesnt need EF's to counter the junk from the eastern side....our Jf-17 and F-16s are sufficient to keep IAF on a tight leash.
You dont have to do anything for Pakistan just dont troll on a PAKISTANI DEFENSE FORUM.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Sorry, nothing is comfirmed. The CCTV just recycle the rumour float around the net. Kremlin has denied any of this deal. Rosoboronexport has not make any statement. Same as MOD of China. You can check out their website. If any deal is signed, they are the official spokesmen to announce the news.

Russia: No Deal on Sale of Fighters, Subs to China | Defense News | defensenews.com

Our media is just a bunch of military illiterate, their knowledge about military should be improved in the future.