Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Asoka]

There are plent of rumors about CAC build new factory to setup 2 or even more production line of J-20, and it even going to big news site like sohu, 163 and xilu, with pictures of the factory ( I cannot paste link in this fucked up BBS).

If you can read Chinese, you can know alot of more information there, simply do a baidu search with "两条生产线 J-20" as the keywords ("two production line J-20), will return such results.

And even the joker pinkov (who is a famous China naysayer) suspect that there are at least two production line of J-20 is under construction and thats last year's news in his last year's issues, based on satellite photos he got.

China now build weapons at an accerelating rate, not just because China have invest more and more in defence, but also because, the rate of production years before are actually the abnormal one:

In Chinese, it called "小步快跑", because at that time the best Chinese military industry could offer were somehow out-dated by the US standard, so what the PLA should do with them? they place very small order for each iteration of the weapons and ask the industry to keep improving them iteration by iteration.

But when PLA consider the military industry can offer weapons on peer with the US, they will place large order.

Thats why they only order 2-4 052B and 052C destoryers but could order 40+ 052D destoryers and 20+ 055 destoryers and 6+ air carriers and super carriers, the same can be said about J-20.

So dont jump to your conclusion too quick.

A Chinese Air Force General recently said the J-20 program will be accelerated. This can be referring two production lines will be open. China is not lacking funds these days. And the J-20 is in great needs to counter the US pressure in East and South Sea. After the great haste in the development phase, I doubted the initial production phase will proceed in a leisurely pace.

The Chinese Production Capacity in producing 24+ planes per year should not be in doubt, after all F-35 is being producing at the rate of 100+ planes per year.

 

[grey boy 2]

 

[Asoka]

In 2 years many J-20s would have undergone hundreds of hours worth of flight time, matching F-35. I predict the J-20 will enter service the latest by 2016, with a minimum of 60 in service.

You are right about entering service by 2016.

 

[52051]

@52051

Baidu search engine is intentionally inferior in showing any good pictures.
Google do not have any good one either.
And, I am travelling outside PRC. It is very difficult ( slow to a halt ) to browse PRC military forums.

In order to compare and detecting the recent CAC factory expansion ... ...

Could you please post all the adequately clear satellites based pictures of
( ChengDu CAC Factory Roof complex ) that U can find on PRC Military forums ?

Thanks so much beforehand brother.
Such as this one below ... ...

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I want, but I cannot post links, so you have to do the search yourself.

Its pretty easy actually, baidu the keywords I posted you get the links.

And 飞扬/鼎盛/超级大本营 are three popular military-themed BBS in China, these BBS have many cool mind memebers and in general fanboyism are well rejected there. And there are some memebers there who have a creditable track records on military informations of PLA too.

 

[Deino]

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The Chinese Production Capacity in producing 24+ planes per year should not be in doubt, after all F-35 is being producing at the rate of 100+ planes per year.

This is pure speculation and even more an unfounded one. Just compare how many J-11s/J-15 and now J-16 are manufactured each year, how many J-10s were assembled per yera ... and now You think within less than one year the production rate of a much more complex type will be higher than the rate on any other type before.

Come on guys! ... and that has nothing to be with "anti-CHina" but simply with reasonable logic.

Deino

 

[Beast]

This is pure speculation and even more an unfounded one. Just compare how many J-11s/J-15 and now J-16 are manufactured each year, how many J-10s were assembled per yera ... and now You think within less than one year the production rate of a much more complex type will be higher than the rate on any other type before.

Come on guys! ... and that has nothing to be with "anti-CHina" but simply with reasonable logic.

Deino

I support Asok and 52051 theory. It absolutely possible

 

[Deino]

Yes, it is alos possible that some secret CHinese space mission traveled already to the Mars and since there's no public denial it has to be a fcat.

Ahh and since I'm questioning this secret mars-base I'm again a stupd German, who's constanly bashing China ???

 

[jkroo]

Yes, it is alos possible that some secret CHinese space mission traveled already to the Mars and since there's no public denial it has to be a fcat.

Ahh and since I'm questioning this secret mars-base I'm again a stupd German, who's constanly bashing China ???

Do you need such kind of tone? To be frank, It's disgusting from a mod to me.

 

[nang2]

Do you need such kind of tone? To be frank, It's disgusting from a mod to me.

Let mod be allowed to rant from time to time. After all, many of claims made by some of our fellow countrymen aren't supported by substantial evidence, partially due to the secrecy practised by Chinese military, which is for a good reason. This place is just for people to have fun. Let people claim whatever they like and let others refute whatever they dislike.

 

[jkroo]

Let mod be allowed to rant from time to time. After all, many of claims made by some of our fellow countrymen aren't supported by substantial evidence, partially due to the secrecy practised by Chinese military, which is for a good reason. This place is just for people to have fun. Let people claim whatever they like and let others refute whatever they dislike.

Yes for fun. But also no for even sometimes BS can be prevailed especially from some delusional and twisted mind.

 

[Beast]

Let mod be allowed to rant from time to time. After all, many of claims made by some of our fellow countrymen aren't supported by substantial evidence, partially due to the secrecy practised by Chinese military, which is for a good reason. This place is just for people to have fun. Let people claim whatever they like and let others refute whatever they dislike.

Looks like you are leaning on one side. Same as the moderator who claim of his proof based on eyeball and some superficial appearance as his facts.

Like it or leave it there are many leakers(POP3) who prove their creditibilites with 055 cruiser or Type093B VLS SSN. PLA is not going to be open about its military. We are using these highly credible with proven track record source from those leakers.

 

[jkroo]

Looks like you are leaning on one side. Same as the moderator who claim of his proof based on eyeball and some superficial appearance as his facts.

Like it or leave it there are many leakers(POP3) who prove their creditibilites with 055 cruiser or Type093B VLS SSN. PLA is not going to be open about its military. We are using these highly credible with proven track record source from those leakers.

Yeah, this kind of information leaking style can lead to mind blow.
No sensitive info can be leak out or the person can be done. So we are here bla, bla photos months ago/years ago even some wall climbers release their works some time later.
I just like the style and sometimes lead to profession to delusion.

 

[cirr]

 

[nang2]

Looks like you are leaning on one side. Same as the moderator who claim of his proof based on eyeball and some superficial appearance as his facts.

Like it or leave it there are many leakers(POP3) who prove their creditibilites with 055 cruiser or Type093B VLS SSN. PLA is not going to be open about its military. We are using these highly credible with proven track record source from those leakers.

It isn't about side picking.

If leakers have proven track record, then they aren't leakers. They are spokespersons. I am following Chinese military sites, too. I know very well many busted stories from leakers. Therefore, speculations won't convince me though they certainly entertain me. As a Chinese descendant, why would I not want my country to be great again? (Sorry, Trump, I cannot resist.)

I don't buy into Deino and Gambit's arguments, either, since I don't have relevant knowledge to judge. Their arguments look formidable and sophisticated. But I admire their effort, regardless what their intentions are.

In short, I want to be entertained. Let's not spoil the party.

 

[Deino]

@nang2
Me too but the issue is simply that some are so much obsessed by their feeling of being superior that they even ignore the slightest bit of an argument. 60 operational J-20s by years end, that's not possible and instead of counter-arguing why it should be possible You always get the same reply: You don't know China, not Chinese, You are only a stupid foreigner who does not - who never will - understand ! As if logic works different in China ....??

Anyway ... back to the J-20:

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