Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[IceCold]

By france upgrade jf-17 will remain a 4th generation..because of rc-400 radar is nt AESA

and for 4,5th generation AESA is must..

look Su 30MKi is nt in 4.5th generation aircraft because of AESA

Do you realize that both eurofighter and rafale are considered 4.5th generation fighter jet and none have an AESA radar. On the other hand F-15, and F-18 are considered 4th generation fighter jets even though they are equipped with AESA radar.
Here is a list for your review:

List of fighter aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And by the way RC-400 isnt the only radar PAF is evaluating. The Chinese companies may very well come up with an AESA radar of their own for the second batch of JF-17s.

 

[farhan_9909]

Do you realize that both eurofighter and rafale are considered 4.5th generation fighter jet and none have an AESA radar. On the other hand F-15, and F-18 are considered 4th generation fighter jets even though they are equipped with AESA radar.
Here is a list for your review:

List of fighter aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And by the way RC-400 isnt the only radar PAF is evaluating. The Chinese companies may very well come up with an AESA radar of their own for the second batch of JF-17s.

again follow your own link..and check ther is written rafale/eurofighter AESa radar in development dats why they are in 4.5th generation aircraft
LCA was in 4.5th generation catagory bt few weeks back it was proved that LCA current radar is nt AESA bt simple Elta 20/32 and it is again iin 4th genrationa ircraft

So any aircraft having or are radar ordered or in developments are in 4.5th generation aircraft

 

[TOPGUN]

Man i don't understand this is a j-10 /fc-20 thread why talk about other things here ??

 

[Kompromat]

Guys keep the Thunder discussions to its related threads , Thanks.

 

[IceCold]

So any aircraft having or are radar ordered or in developments are in 4.5th generation aircraft

Not really because radar although one of the important factor, isnt the only thing needed to turn a jet into a true 4.5th generation fighter jet.

Here it is what makes a jet a true 4.5th generation fighter jet:

4.5th generation jet fighters (1990s to the present)

The end of the Cold War in 1991 led many governments to significantly decrease military spending as a "peace dividend". Air force inventories were cut, and research and development programs intended to produce what was then anticipated to be "fifth-generation" fighters took serious hits; many programs were canceled during the first half of the 1990s, and those which survived were "stretched out". While the practice of slowing the pace of development reduces annual investment expenses, it comes at the penalty of increased overall program and unit costs over the long-term. In this instance, however, it also permitted designers to make use of the tremendous achievements being made in the fields of computers, avionics and other flight electronics, which had become possible largely due to the advances made in microchip and semiconductor technologies in the 1980s and 1990s. This opportunity enabled designers to develop fourth-generation designs – or redesigns – with significantly enhanced capabilities. These improved designs have become known as "Generation 4.5" fighters, recognizing their intermediate nature between the 4th and 5th generations, and their contribution in furthering development of individual fifth-generation technologies.


The primary characteristics of this sub-generation are the application of advanced digital avionics and aerospace materials, modest signature reduction (primarily RF "stealth"), and highly integrated systems and weapons. These fighters have been designed to operate in a "network-centric" battlefield environment and are principally multirole aircraft. Key weapons technologies introduced include beyond-visual-range (BVR) AAMs; Global Positioning System (GPS)-guided weapons, solid-state phased-array radars; helmet-mounted sights; and improved secure, jamming-resistant datalinks. Thrust vectoring to further improve transient maneuvering capabilities have also been adopted by many 4.5th generation fighters, and uprated powerplants have enabled some designs to achieve a degree of "supercruise" ability. Stealth characteristics are focused primarily on frontal-aspect radar cross section (RCS) signature-reduction techniques including radar-absorbent materials (RAM), L-O coatings and limited shaping techniques.

"counter-measure systems and forward looking infrared.

 

[Dark Angel]

again follow your own link..and check ther is written rafale/eurofighter AESa radar in development dats why they are in 4.5th generation aircraft
LCA was in 4.5th generation catagory bt few weeks back it was proved that LCA current radar is nt AESA bt simple Elta 20/32 and it is again iin 4th genrationa ircraft

So any aircraft having or are radar ordered or in developments are in 4.5th generation aircraft

Couple of things dude SU30 Mki is 4.5 Gen having a AESA isnt the only criteria SU30MKI has a range of 350 Kms search in the front hemisphere and 60 km in the rear hemisphere The Su-30MKI can function as a mini-AWACS as a director or command post for other aircraft

LCA will have ELTA 2052 radar and it is still considered to be 4.5 gen because of Fly-by-wire control, it is equipped with a quadruplex digital fly-by-wire flight control system to ease handling by the pilot

The Tejas has a night vision goggles (NVG)-compatible "glass cockpit" that is dominated by an indigenous head-up display (HUD), three 5 in x 5 in multi-function displays

 

[Peregrine]

Couple of things dude SU30 Mki is 4.5 Gen having a AESA isnt the only criteria SU30MKI has a range of 350 Kms search in the front hemisphere and 60 km in the rear hemisphere The Su-30MKI can function as a mini-AWACS as a director or command post for other aircraft
LCA will have ELTA 2052 radar and it is still considered to be 4.5 gen because of Fly-by-wire control, it is equipped with a quadruplex digital fly-by-wire flight control system to ease handling by the pilot
The Tejas has a night vision goggles (NVG)-compatible "glass cockpit" that is dominated by an indigenous head-up display (HUD), three 5 in x 5 in multi-function displays

Hi
And LCA will have super duper every thing but the fact that on paper when the real one will come we will see, BTW this is an FC-20 thread not come in here and boost about a paper plane thread

 

[SomeGuy]

Don't know if this vid has been posted before, but check out the turning ability between 1:05 and 1:13. That is a tight turn.

 

[hataf]

YouTube - J-10 Manoeuvrability

Don't know if this vid has been posted before, but check out the turning ability between 1:05 and 1:13. That is a tight turn.

aw-sum
really aw-sum
really really aw-sum

no doubt more maneuverability than f-16

now i know why PAF is after fc-20

if some Chinese brother can put some translation of the conversation

 

[S.U.R.B.]

YouTube - J-10 Manoeuvrability

Don't know if this vid has been posted before, but check out the turning ability between 1:05 and 1:13. That is a tight turn.

well that 1:05 and 1:13 portion looks like a fast forward too me.....Isn't it?
Let's see if someone expert in this field puts some light on this.

J10 is awesome.It really looks like a dragon....

 

[SomeGuy]

well that 1:05 and 1:13 portion looks like a fast forward too me.....Isn't it?
Let's see if someone expert in this field puts some light on this.

J10 is awesome.It really looks like a dragon....

Doesn't look fast forwarded at all, especially when you see it several times.
Also, fast forwading can't alter the fact that the turn was done in a really short amount of space.

When the indigenous WS-10 engine variant with Thrust Vector is inducted, it will become even more agile.

 

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[farhan_9909]

can we put ws-15(180 Kn Thrust) in J-10B

in wiki it is written that Ws-15 will power j-10B..

if it is true then one ws-15 is equal to two engines of EF and Rafale

 

[bc040400065]

Does anyone know which PAF base will house these 2 sqds of FC20??

 

[592257001]

aw-sum
really aw-sum
really really aw-sum

no doubt more maneuverability than f-16

now i know why PAF is after fc-20

if some Chinese brother can put some translation of the conversation

This video was taken during practice run of the 60th anniversary of the PLAAF in northern China. The pilots basically demonstrated J-10A's basic maneuvers