Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[abaseen99]

Chengdu Flies Chinese-powered J-10 Fighter
By: David Donald
August 8, 2011
Military Aircraft

Aircraft 1035 is the first J-10 to be seen with the Chinese WS-10 engine since the early prototypes. The engine can be distinguished from the Russian AL-31FN by the profile of the nozzle.

The design institute at Chengdu flew a J-10B development aircraft fitted with the indigenous Shenyang Liming WS-10A Taihang engine at the end of July. All previous J-10s, apart from the first few prototypes, have flown with the Russian AL-31FN engine. The aircraft with the homegrown engine is coded “1035” and is presumably the fifth J-10B prototype, although that number may include a ground-test article.
The WS-10 has always been the intended powerplant for the J-10, but problems with its development led to an early switch to the Russian powerplant. The J-10B flight trials suggest that the engine has matured enough to now be considered for a single-engine application. Clearance of the Taihang engine would make the J-10 an “all-Chinese” aircraft, available for export without any external restrictions.
Meanwhile, an uncorroborated report of comments attributed to a high-ranking official at the Chengdu facility stated that the J-10B is about to enter production for the Chinese air force, and that the first unit of approximately 10 aircraft (with AL-31FN engines) could be delivered by year-end.
According to this same report, production of the J-10B, which features active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar and a diverterless supersonic intake, would proceed alongside that of the J-10A for some time. Chengdu Flies Chinese-powered J-10 Fighter: AINonline

 

[abaseen99]

look at the power plant prototype 01 is different from prototype 05

 

[Beast]

J-10b with aesa will be superior to MKI with BARS(PESA). With j-10B superior RCS and agility. it will eat over MKI easily.

 

[pshamim]

Good posts above. Some changes in J-10b as compared to J-10A also include:
TVC engine
CFTs
More advanced Radio communication equipment necessitating another anttenna
AESA Radar (Probable) still not confirmed
Optical Tracking system
Laser Range Finder
IRST sensor
Increase in tail above fairing to house Electronic warfare equiment
and of course the DSI inlet
More stealthy

 

[SBD-3]

Good posts above. Some changes in J-10b as compared to J-10A also include:
TVC engine
CFTs
More advanced Radio communication equipment necessitating another anttenna
AESA Radar (Probable) still not confirmed
Optical Tracking system
Laser Range Finder
IRST sensor
Increase in tail above fairing to house Electronic warfare equiment
and of course the DSI inlet
More stealthy

Sir, as far as TVC is concerned, Russia did sell Chinese about 50 Al-41 TVC capable engines, but these engines were used by chinese in testbeds, there are no news till now for their use in combat operational units. So its likely that J-10B prototypes may be equipped with Al-41F giving them TVC capability but no operation division as per my limited knowledge operates these engines. However, the latest AL-31FN purchased were "modified" I dont know yet whether they were modiefied for TVC as the Rumors have it.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Sir, as far as TVC is concerned, Russia did sell Chinese about 50 Al-41 TVC capable engines, but these engines were used by chinese in testbeds, there are no news till now for their use in combat operational units. So its likely that J-10B prototypes may be equipped with Al-41F giving them TVC capability but no operation division as per my limited knowledge operates these engines. However, the latest AL-31FN purchased were "modified" I dont know yet whether they were modiefied for TVC as the Rumors have it.

There is no reason to install TVC on the J-10B. Such features, I believe, are redundant on a single engined light jet and while only add weight to the plane.

 

[pshamim]

You guys may very well be correct. But sources in Pakistan are talking about them. Wonder what they are hearing is correct or not about TVC

 

[lmjiao]

Good posts above. Some changes in J-10b as compared to J-10A also include:
TVC engine
CFTs
More advanced Radio communication equipment necessitating another anttenna
AESA Radar (Probable) still not confirmed
Optical Tracking system
Laser Range Finder
IRST sensor
Increase in tail above fairing to house Electronic warfare equiment
and of course the DSI inlet
More stealthy

Both WS-10 and AL-31FN have no TVC.

 

[Beast]

There's lots of Indian paint themselves in Pakistan flag comes in here and mess up. I urged moderator check their ip address according and ban them if they start fool around.

 

[MastanKhan]

You guys may very well be correct. But sources in Pakistan are talking about them. Wonder what they are hearing is correct or not about TVC

Pshamim,

The TVC may not need to have a real function---but the psychological effect it would have on the opponents populace would be tremendous---. One should always keep it in perspective that major weapons systems are not to fight wars with---but to make the opponent come to the peace table.

 

[pshamim]

Both WS-10 and AL-31FN have no TVC.

What about WS-10A variant. China was reported to have started mass production after all the tests were carried out. News has been that it will be installed on J-11 and then F-10. This engine was said to have tvc feature.

Can you say with certainity as to which variant of WS-10 engine J10B has?

 

[houshanghai]

Both WS-10 and AL-31FN have no TVC.

Although not now.
but WS10 will have TVC version in future is what zhangenhe(chief designer of WS10) said recently .
We shall produce such kind of engine, which is doubtless

 

[SBD-3]

What about WS-10A variant. China was reported to have started mass production after all the tests were carried out. News has been that it will be installed on J-11 and then F-10. This engine was said to have tvc feature.

Can you say with certainity as to which variant of WS-10 engine J10B has?

Speculation is for either WS-10A or B version on the J-10b....but i still wonder why didn't PLAAF gave it any official name yet? J-10b doesnt make sense, any news on official designation?

 

[SBD-3]

Pshamim,

The TVC may not need to have a real function---but the psychological effect it would have on the opponents populace would be tremendous---. One should always keep it in perspective that major weapons systems are not to fight wars with---but to make the opponent come to the peace table.

Mastan sahib, its not psychology but the abiility to lure one's opponent to play by one's rule, this is where FC-20 and JFT are essential, their strenghts and weaknesses are classified and not many outside China and Pakistan know about it, this is the very reason why FC-1 is different from JFT and J-10B will see only exlusive operation. We all talk about Supermanuverbility and TVC and stuff, do you think even a fighter packed with all these goodies can outmanuver a HOBS,advanced, resiliant and TVC equipped missile? why to go for merge and enter a turning fight when your missile can do it way way much better than your platform. where does the manuverbility count when your oppoenet can virtually lock you on in every direction above, below, ahead and behind and feed a missile quickly up your aircraft's @ss.

 

[Beast]

Overhypiing it without sustance will become a joke instead of psychological effect.

Not only India know nuts about JFT and J-10B. They know nuts about PL-12 BVRAAM. They don't even know what frequency it operate, not to mention jamming them. While china has great experience in R-77 missiles. India astra is no where to be commission. By the time, it complete, other generation of missile has already supercede.