Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[siegecrossbow]

Video link to the J-10 exercise news:

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[SekrutYakhni]

I don't know many things about defence but I was curious to ask this...

The landing gear of Chinese aircrafts are same as the U.S. (by in large) or are they completely different?

 

[SQ8]

I don't know many things about defence but I was curious to ask this...

The landing gear of Chinese aircrafts are same as the U.S. (by in large) or are they completely different?

The initial Chinese jets were copies of the Russian designs and usually had rugged landing gear.. suitable for unpaved operations.
With their own indigenous designs..the chinese have gone to the American camp believing in the availability of Paved runways at all times for takeoff. And consequently the landing gears have lost their girth and weight..
saving space.. but losing the ability that Russian jets possess of taking off from a farm road if needed.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Where did the canards go on this one ?

 

[SQ8]

The angle of the pic makes it look as if they arent there..
But look closely at the first leading edge from the fuselage you see...
That is the canard..
If you look at the first hardpoint..the leading edge changes abruptly after it..
which is infact the edge of the canard blending in..
The actual wing and its leading edge is the darker yellow..

 

[Sinnerman108]

The angle of the pic makes it look as if they arent there..
But look closely at the first leading edge from the fuselage you see...
That is the canard..
If you look at the first hardpoint..the leading edge changes abruptly after it..
which is infact the edge of the canard blending in..
The actual wing and its leading edge is the darker yellow..

Yaar,

Off course i did that ... Checked the LERX and observed the paint difference.
it is evident here,
the main wing ... see

I don't mean to suggest any thing ...
Just curious

 

[SQ8]

Just helping out...

 

[Sinnerman108]

Just helping out...

Well

you are right ... there are TWO shades of yellow ...
one of them is the leading edge,
the other one is the canards !

cat killed !

 

[houshanghai]

http://player.youku.com/player.php/sid/XMjM5MDcyNjE2/v.swf

j10 air refueling

 

[houshanghai]

posted duplication

 

[SBD-3]

an interesting post from eaglehannan

Munir has rightly said "It more like you show confidence and commit to the cause." All companies work like it. Chinese business mentality is as such, they want to know before selling if they'll get money or not. It simple plain business. They knew once the funds are allocated to F-16s there is a little chance Pakistan will jump in on J-10B. PAF at that time was not confident on J-10 as a top tier AC. But once Chinese allowed us in on design and avionics, PAF did cut orders for F-16s. I remember when early J-10 cockpit pictures were released, we all concluded that it’s no better than JF-17 and then near exact layout was brought in on J-10s later since Pakistan committed to J-10B.
Sir, for J-10s Pakistan is given very generous deal, inshallah I'll write about it when I am permitted to. I must commend Chinese for their business ideas. They knew Pakistan back in 2005/6 is not interested in J-10s and that simply means no market for J-10 outside China as the world sees Pakistan as the launch customer of anything good coming from China. Examples are J6/F-6, J7/F-7, J7MGs/F-7PG and inshallah FC-1/JF-17s. There was no sales of JH-7 and J-8MII, even when they were offered to many and are serving PLAAF in numbers.
I think, it was PakDef where back in 2006, I wrote that there is serious evaluation of J-10 going on. PAF saw the potential and wanted R&D with Chinese on another version of partially same air frame but improved avionics. PAF brought in their info on an F-16 version avionics that was to be unveiled in Middle East. In fact the RFP sent to LM was forwarded to Chinese with minor changes (That’s not my assumption or speculation).
As per Allah's will and thankfully it was in a good way that we finally decided to peal away from US dependence. I can imagine if we would have put our eggs in US basket, what would have been the situation today. "Never again" was rightly exercised.
Right now, the planned acquisition of J-10B's first batch is in mid of 2013 Inshallah. Engine is a hurdle (this is my speculation). We might not want to go for AL31FN and as per my info WS-10 is not failed but having teething problems, bad ones. Other than that, I confirm the engine is built with high grade materials and new labs are being built to check the manufacturing process for it. This shows commitment and promise. Some PAF personal visiting these labs told me, they are impressed. Nanjing institute is prime contractor for Radar (both Air born and AD. AD team is here already and inshallah we'll see some joint project in AD as well)for PAF.

 

[shanixee]

an interesting post from eaglehannan

Bro 1 simple question...will J10 be able to take MRCA of india....wat does inside of PAF thinks...will it be good enough...

 

[Mani2020]

Bro 1 simple question...will J10 be able to take MRCA of india....wat does inside of PAF thinks...will it be good enough...

Fc-20 has been customized by PAF while keeping in mind the MRCA ,as the basic aim is to deal the threat of MRCA .You can't compare aircrafts one on one basis specially when there are many twin engine fighters competing in MRCA ,its still to be decided which jet is going to win ,if it happens before the induction of Fc-20 it will give more clear idea to PAF about what they will be dealing in future .

Specially with the emergence of J-20 and J-10B being said to be a test bed i don't see why FC-20 will not be able to deal with MRCA.the main thing is that it will be customized by PAF And i think they are professional enough to know what they hold

 

[shanixee]

Fc-20 has been customized by PAF while keeping in mind the MRCA ,as the basic aim is to deal the threat of MRCA .You can't compare aircrafts one on one basis specially when there are many twin engine fighters competing in MRCA ,its still to be decided which jet is going to win ,if it happens before the induction of Fc-20 it will give more clear idea to PAF about what they will be dealing in future .

Specially with the emergence of J-20 and J-10B being said to be a test bed i don't see why FC-20 will not be able to deal with MRCA.the main thing is that it will be customized by PAF And i think they are professional enough to know what they hold

Thanks for your reply... few more questions...1 is PAF aircheif said that MRCA will make difference so why he said that...2nd J10 is also comming in twin engine...now plz dont tell me its not in our doctrine...we can hve both...single engine and twin engine

 

[SBD-3]

Bro 1 simple question...will J10 be able to take MRCA of india....wat does inside of PAF thinks...will it be good enough...

PAF brought in their info on an F-16 version avionics that was to be unveiled in Middle East.

I think This pretty much sums up every thing. The benchmark for J-10B was none other than desert falcon (what i can confirm is that UAE funded the development of Desert falcon so there is a good reason to believe that such information would have been used for J-10B RFP).
to know more on desert falcon please consider the following link
The UAE’s F-16 Block 60 Desert Falcon Fleet