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[gambit]

The statistics belonged to the people who were not citizen .
And what's this obsesseion with white and not white.
Not all Americans are white and also many immigrants are white then what.
My post has nothing to do with white and black its an answer to a post that asked immigrants not to come to USA.

Yeah...And it was a stupid comment, as if no immigrants come to the US, all work and productivity would stop. So yes, you and people like you are obsessed with white Americans.

 

[chauvunist]

There are no perfect citizens, nowhere in the world, it is enforcement of law that makes one behave. Law enforcement has gradually vanished from Pakistanis cities (it did exist once) and the result is in front of you. However, unlike rest of Pakistan that at-least started out with law enforcement, FATA never had any writ of the government, they never allowed it.

Please do not put all the blame on one ethnicity that is 50% of the total population of Karachi. All sorts of ethnicities call Karachi their home, not to mention Afghan, Indian, Bangladeshi, Burmese refugees, and have fair share in turning the city into a shit hole.

I am trying to understand your point, you also try to see where I am coming from. You are talking to me as if I am Karachite and MQMer whereas I have hardly lived there for one or two years, a time when I was teaching in Aga Khan university, and left to States afterwards.

But you fail to understand that before SOviet and US invasion of Afghanistan,there had been no or minimal issue of terrorism..Why are trying to overlook the fact that these problems started after disturbance in the neighborhood but you are painting the picture like FATA is a savage land where people drink water in the skull of other people which is plain wrong..

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yeah...And it was a stupid comment, as if no immigrants come to the US, all work and productivity would stop. So yes, you and people like you are obsessed with white Americans.

It will decrease dramatically . middle level scientists are work force of science and in USA 50% of them are foreigner .so its clearly a valid point of view that if they don't come to USA not all of works stop but it will cripple .

And sadly it seems you are the obsessed one as I never mentioned white or black but you seems can't stop talking about them.

 

[syedali73]

But you fail to understand that before SOviet and US invasion of Afghanistan,there had been no or minimal issue of terrorism..Why are trying to overlook the fact that these problems started after disturbance in the neighborhood but you are painting the picture like FATA is a savage land where people drink water in the skull of other people which is plain wrong..

Lawlessness has always been prevalent in FATA hence referred to as 'Ilaqa Ghair', and that is all I am saying. Driving vehicles without papers, possessing arms without license, giving shelter to criminals at large, refusal to pay utility bills etc., if this is not lawlessness, I do not know what is. They are drinking water in the skulls of other peoples are your words that you are trying to put in my mouth. You wish to continue for arguing for the sake of argument is one thing, otherwise I have made myself pretty clear on this issue.

If you find my posts racially motivated or unacceptable for one or another reason, please hesitate not to report. If your complaints were legit, either the post will get deleted or Mods will issue me infarction.

 

[gambit]

It will decrease dramatically . middle level scientists are work force of science and in USA 50% of them are foreigner .so its clearly a valid point of view that if they don't come to USA not all of works stop but it will cripple .

Fine...Then show me hard data that are peer reviewed that have immigrants intellectually superior to white Americans.

And sadly it seems you are the obsessed one as I never mentioned white or black but you seems can't stop talking about them.

No...It is YOU who are obsessed with whether white Americans is as smart as non-white Americans.

 

[UKBengali]

Fine...Then show me hard data that are peer reviewed that have immigrants intellectually superior to white Americans.

It is not the case that immigrants are clever than white Americans as such.

What is the issue is that the US relies on lots of highly skilled immigrants to help run it's economy. Without them the US
economy will suffer.

 

[chauvunist]

Lawlessness has always been prevalent in FATA hence referred to as 'Ilaqa Ghair', and that is all I am saying. Driving vehicles without papers, possessing arms without license, giving shelter to criminals at large, refusal to pay utility bills etc., if this is not lawlessness, I do not know what is. They are drinking water in the skulls of other peoples are your words that you are trying to put in my mouth. You wish to continue for arguing for the sake of argument is one thing, otherwise I have made myself pretty clear on this issue.

If you find my posts racially motivated or unacceptable for one or another reason, please hesitate not to report. If your complaints were legit, either the post will get deleted or Mods will issue me infarction.

But don't we see these crimes at a higher rate in Karachi than elsewhere in the country be it snatching phones,motorcycles,cars,extortion,kidnap for ransoms,target killing and so on..I don't know what are trying to imply with your selective skepticism..

Anyhow i am outta this thread as i am tired of your running in circles

 

[syedali73]

Fine...Then show me hard data that are peer reviewed that have immigrants intellectually superior to white Americans.

There is no such thing as intellectual superiority. Humans are more or less same when it comes to intelligence. What makes the difference is training in a particular field and gaining knowledge consistently. There I no doubt that American labs are producing science by the help of foreign post-Docs that do indeed constitute to over 50%.

Policy Implications of International Graduate Students and Postdoctoral Scholars in the United States (International Science and Engineering Graduate Students and Postdoctoral Scholars in the United States - Policy Implications of International Graduate Students and Postdoctoral Scholars in the United States - NCBI Bookshelf)

But don't we see these crimes at a higher rate in Karachi than elsewhere in the country be it snatching phones,motorcycles,cars,extortion,kidnap for ransoms,target killing and so on..I don't know what are trying to imply with your selective skepticism..

Anyhow i am outta this thread as i am tired of your running in circles

Higher rate of crimes in Karachi because Karachi is the largest city, an estimated of over 23.5 million people as of 2013 makes it the largest city not only of Pakistan but Muslim world and 7th largest city in the world.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Fine...Then show me hard data that are peer reviewed that have immigrants intellectually superior to white Americans.


No...It is YOU who are obsessed with whether white Americans is as smart as non-white Americans.

Well I let others decide who is the obsessed one . sadly some people here think american are all white and consider all others who migrated to USA as colored . well I call that racism .
And the data is in the article I posted go read them but not about immigrants are more intelligent but about the fact that USA relies on them .sadly it seems you have some obsession about they are more intelligent I wonder how you reached to that conclusion.

 

[gambit]

Well I let others decide who is the obsessed one . sadly some people here think american are all white and consider all others who migrated to USA as colored . well I call that racism .
And the data is in the article I posted go read them but not about immigrants are more intelligent but about the fact that USA relies on them .sadly it seems you have some obsession about they are more intelligent I wonder how you reached to that conclusion.

You use the word 'rely' on the context that somehow if there are no immigrants to the US, the US would collapse. It is absurd. Every company that I worked for and associated with, most workers are white Americans. People like me are called 'minority' for a reason.

And no, it is YOU who are obsessed with the idea that immigrants are smarter. Why else have you been implying that the US 'rely' on immigrants ?

 

[Hack-Hook]

You use the word 'rely' on the context that somehow if there are no immigrants to the US, the US would collapse. It is absurd. Every company that I worked for and associated with, most workers are white Americans. People like me are called 'minority' for a reason.

And no, it is YOU who are obsessed with the idea that immigrants are smarter. Why else have you been implying that the US 'rely' on immigrants ?

The statistic support me. And rely don't mean collapse it means pace . if you take away half the workforce logic say that the pace of progress will be slowed .

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You use the word 'rely' on the context that somehow if there are no immigrants to the US, the US would collapse. It is absurd. Every company that I worked for and associated with, most workers are white Americans. People like me are called 'minority' for a reason.

And no, it is YOU who are obsessed with the idea that immigrants are smarter. Why else have you been implying that the US 'rely' on immigrants ?

Well I am not going to get sucked into who is "smarter" although it does occur to me that American's are creaming off lot of talent from rest of the world. Nothing wrong with that as they give those folk better prospects then where they come from.

After all your all immigrants bar the Native American's the only thing separating the differant waves is which 'boat' you landed on, the earlier or the later. Talking of immigration I love this neme of a Native American below.

Don't take it in a critical way. Just light hearted fun. I myself would been on a bannana boat to USA as well only all the guns in USA scare me.

However as historical fact, yes US has 'relied' on immigrants. It first relied on the over populated Europe to transfer's it's excess population to the vast open spaces of US and now runs a more nuanced policy of pulling in the brightest and the best from the world. Again nothing wrong with that.

@syedali73

There is no such thing as intellectual superiority. Humans are more or less same when it comes to intelligence. What makes the difference is training in a particular field and gaining knowledge consistently. There I no doubt that American labs are producing science by the help of foreign post-Docs that do indeed constitute to over 50%.

That's rather refreshing. Nurture over nature in a nutshell. I will hold you on that next time we discuss anything to do with Afghanistan ...

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Wait he is White, he cant be a Terrorist, he is just a White kid who reached his puberty and is going thru some hard times dealing with it... Case Closed...

if he had a Muslim name the US media would have crusified the hell out of him - calling him a terrorist, and of course making headlines like "ISIS/Daesh Has Infiltrated America?"

 

[Super Falcon]

If it done by muslim we could have been attacked now western media shut this thing why