Charleston church shooting: Who is Dylann Roof?

[Dubious]

Thread merge please: White gun man killed 9 blacks in shooting spree

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[Schutz]

A white person is still 8 times more likely to get killed by a black person than a black person by a white person and most of the time that is racially motivated because they target white areas/people, the same day this happened there was videos on the internet of a gang of black men beating a white guy up and mugging him, more "youths" getting arrested whilst running around screaming and attacking police etc etc, daily occurrence.

I dont think its about wealth, I think its about population density, plenty of poor white people in America but the crime rates are much lower proportionately, black areas tend to be much more dense population wise though which leads to more problems.

 

[Kompromat]

He is not a terrorist.

 

[Dubious]

He is not a terrorist.

Naah just a messed up screwed up boy exiting his teens with the need of a record

 

[Dubious]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1027868420565397

 

[Adecypher]

and then the child grows to become a suicide bomber and detonates himself in a mosque/market/dargah etc etc tin a place far from his village (lahore, karachi etc) and kills scores of the innocents people makes many other 9 years old orphan. revenge taken so far so good. My question does this incident also gives license to kill to the families members of those dead in explosion or is this license reserved only for Pushtuns or other specail groups. As per my knowledge i am yet to witness some one from Lahore or karachi going into NWFP/FATA tribal village and kill the villagers to take revenge.

This is the consequence of huge void in regards to any sort of rehab facilities for victims such as this “child”. This “child” and many like him have lot of questions which remain either unanswered or the answers provided to him create more confusion/hatred/animosity which leads to rebellion. Infact these children are very easily exploited and used for sinister purposes but that does not mean that we start hating these victims (children) and start labeling them terrorist totally disregarding the reasoning which led to them becoming the terrorist at the first place. I believe its a darn tough job to comfort these victims just think about it what kind of reasoning you will going to provide.

Some examples:
1. Whatever happened it is your fate and you have to forget whatever happened with you and now think positive (Not convincing at all).

2. Your family was targeted because they were terrorists and sorry for your young siblings we didn’t have any choice I hope you understand and forget everything and try to start a fresh new life without thinking about your past and who is responsible for what happened to you. (hmmm naah not convincing either).

3. We don’t know who did this to you but we are working on it to find out who did it and why did it to your family but until then you have to promise us that you will try to start a new life and we will support you 101 % in getting you education and other facilities and may be finding a family to help to recover your wounds etc (May or may not work but its a positive move).

Unfortunately the grown-ups who joined the ranks of TTP and alike are sadly out of scope of any such recovery and as such should be treated as Terrorists to either be captured and or killed by the authorities (very bleak prospects for returning to norm for such subjects).

Now to answer why a victim of the suicide blast in Karachi/Lahore does not blow himself up in FATA/KPK is due to some of the following factors:

1) The existence of extended family structure and support for the victims.
2) Big cities have sort of rehab centers for the victims.
3) The exploiters in big cities have different agendas i.e. the child might not become a suicide bomber but rather a target killer and or similar or anti-social element.

The bottom line is we should NOT hate these child victims whether they are in FATA/KPK or in any part of the Country BUT those who exploit these victims and try to eradicate the network of these exploiters which create terrorist factories churning out the terrorists.

 

[JonAsad]

Its funny he was taken alive maybe because he is white -
Usually if he was a black or brown he would have been shot at sight by the murikan police-

 

[punit]

This is the consequence of huge void in regards to any sort of rehab facilities for victims such as this “child”. This “child” and many like him have lot of questions which remain either unanswered or the answers provided to him create more confusion/hatred/animosity which leads to rebellion. Infact these children are very easily exploited and used for sinister purposes but that does not mean that we start hating these victims (children) and start labeling them terrorist totally disregarding the reasoning which led to them becoming the terrorist at the first place. I believe its a darn tough job to comfort these victims just think about it what kind of reasoning you will going to provide.

Some examples:
1. Whatever happened it is your fate and you have to forget whatever happened with you and now think positive (Not convincing at all).

2. Your family was targeted because they were terrorists and sorry for your young siblings we didn’t have any choice I hope you understand and forget everything and try to start a fresh new life without thinking about your past and who is responsible for what happened to you. (hmmm naah not convincing either).

3. We don’t know who did this to you but we are working on it to find out who did it and why did it to your family but until then you have to promise us that you will try to start a new life and we will support you 101 % in getting you education and other facilities and may be finding a family to help to recover your wounds etc (May or may not work but its a positive move).

Unfortunately the grown-ups who joined the ranks of TTP and alike are sadly out of scope of any such recovery and as such should be treated as Terrorists to either be captured and or killed by the authorities (very bleak prospects for returning to norm for such subjects).

Now to answer why a victim of the suicide blast in Karachi/Lahore does not blow himself up in FATA/KPK is due to some of the following factors:

1) The existence of extended family structure and support for the victims.
2) Big cities have sort of rehab centers for the victims.
3) The exploiters in big cities have different agendas i.e. the child might not become a suicide bomber but rather a target killer and or similar or anti-social element.

The bottom line is we should NOT hate these child victims whether they are in FATA/KPK or in any part of the Country BUT those who exploit these victims and try to eradicate the network of these exploiters which create terrorist factories churning out the terrorists.

i agree with you cent % but why this revenge is so one sided. how many orphans or victims of blast from non tribal regions have taken up arms against the Tribal.

 

[Adecypher]

i agree with you cent % but why this revenge is so one sided. how many orphans or victims of blast from non tribal regions have taken up arms against the Tribal.

Actually there is no insight to prove that statement there might be some who traveled and joined the ranks of TTP, you probably have read about the attacks on Tribal elders who were trying to work out on peace initiatives.

 

[chauvunist]

Does this explain why we as a nation are generally tolerant towards terrorism? or more specifically why people of FATA/KPK allowed terrorists to establish bases in their lands or elsewhere? and did not wake up (many are still asleep) un till the fire reached to their own houses (APS, Peshawar)? Human psychology is very complicated.

If we ask the same question from karachiites,why did they harbor Bhatta khors and target killers and land mafia people and why didn't the raise their voices against and did not wake up(many are still asleep) until fire reached their own houses (hint: more than 20000 killed in the last 7 years in Karachi,and karachi being declared world's most dangerous city)
Again: can you answer this complex psychology

 

[syedali73]

If we ask the same question from karachiites,why did they harbor Bhatta khors and target killers and land mafia people and why didn't the raise their voices against and did not wake up(many are still asleep) until fire reached their own houses (hint: more than 20000 killed in the last 7 years in Karachi,and karachi being declared world's most dangerous city)
Again: can you answer this complex psychology

Yes, this question can be asked to Karachites but you conveniently overlooked one fact, Karachi is not only about MQM but ANP, PPP, and several sectarian outfits too. Compared to that, FATA is all about one people.

 

[Dubious]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153052369309755

 

[chauvunist]

Yes, this question can be asked to Karachites but you conveniently overlooked one fact, Karachi is not only about MQM but ANP, PPP, and several sectarian outfits too. Compared to that, FATA is all about one people.

But these criminals are found in every sect and parties there in Karachi,why would they cultivated ad support them within their lines,why not thwart them out...
These elements are also found in Punjab and Baluchistan but wonder why you turned blind eye there or wait,it is the inherent hatred you people having towards Pashtuns..But let's be honest we don't give a flying fck to what looney's like you think for we supported our Armed forces in eliminating the menace unlike you who overtly support the criminals and terrorists in your lines and start to play muhajir card when feel the heat when instead you are supposed to cooperate with LEA to eliminate the menace...

 

[syedali73]

This is the consequence of huge void in regards to any sort of rehab facilities for victims such as this “child”. This “child” and many like him have lot of questions which remain either unanswered or the answers provided to him create more confusion/hatred/animosity which leads to rebellion. Infact these children are very easily exploited and used for sinister purposes but that does not mean that we start hating these victims (children) and start labeling them terrorist totally disregarding the reasoning which led to them becoming the terrorist at the first place. I believe its a darn tough job to comfort these victims just think about it what kind of reasoning you will going to provide.

Some examples:
1. Whatever happened it is your fate and you have to forget whatever happened with you and now think positive (Not convincing at all).

2. Your family was targeted because they were terrorists and sorry for your young siblings we didn’t have any choice I hope you understand and forget everything and try to start a fresh new life without thinking about your past and who is responsible for what happened to you. (hmmm naah not convincing either).

3. We don’t know who did this to you but we are working on it to find out who did it and why did it to your family but until then you have to promise us that you will try to start a new life and we will support you 101 % in getting you education and other facilities and may be finding a family to help to recover your wounds etc (May or may not work but its a positive move).

Unfortunately the grown-ups who joined the ranks of TTP and alike are sadly out of scope of any such recovery and as such should be treated as Terrorists to either be captured and or killed by the authorities (very bleak prospects for returning to norm for such subjects).

Now to answer why a victim of the suicide blast in Karachi/Lahore does not blow himself up in FATA/KPK is due to some of the following factors:

1) The existence of extended family structure and support for the victims.
2) Big cities have sort of rehab centers for the victims.
3) The exploiters in big cities have different agendas i.e. the child might not become a suicide bomber but rather a target killer and or similar or anti-social element.

The bottom line is we should NOT hate these child victims whether they are in FATA/KPK or in any part of the Country BUT those who exploit these victims and try to eradicate the network of these exploiters which create terrorist factories churning out the terrorists.

My friend, while I appreciate your concerns regarding drone attacks and complications and tragedies resulting from those but there have not been as many drone attacks and whenever possible, collateral damage was kept to a minimum. You should also not forget one thing, drones do not attack unless assets on the ground 'light up' specific target(s) and the assets on the ground are the local people. Sometimes they 'light up' certain targets correctly and sometimes to even up the score, personal and family feuds. The child you are talking about should also told about this stone -aged culture, deficiencies of the very society he is a member of. Putting all the blame on the drones is not fair.

But these criminals are found in every sect and parties there in Karachi,why would they cultivated ad support them within their lines,why not thwart them out...
These elements are also found in Punjab and Baluchistan but wonder why you turned blind eye there or wait,it is the inherent hatred you people having towards Pashtuns..But let's be honest we don't give a flying fck to what looney's like you think for we supported our Armed forces in eliminating the menace unlike you who overtly support the criminals and terrorists in your lines and start to play muhajir card when feel the heat when instead you are supposed to cooperate with LEA to eliminate the menace...

I am fasting and not willing to reply to you in your language. I have no grudges against any particular ethnicity for all of them are more or less same in their approach and attitude. Pease stop using words you do this, you do that, I have never supported MQM.

And I do agree with you that you do not give a flying whatever even though your people are suffering for hundreds of years, millions got killed in Afghan war, tens of thousands in the civil war, but you are not willing to revisit your attitude, instead hell bent on blaming everyone else for your suffering.

 

[chauvunist]

My friend, while I appreciate your concerns regarding drone attacks and complications and tragedies resulting from those but there have not been as many drone attacks and whenever possible, collateral damage was kept to a minimum. You should also not forget one thing, drones do not attack unless assets on the ground 'light up' specific target(s) and the assets on the ground are the local people. Sometimes they 'light up' certain targets correctly and sometimes to even up the score, personal and family feuds. The child you are talking about should also told about this stone -aged culture, deficiencies of the very society he is a member of. Putting all the blame on the drones is not fair.

I am fasting and not willing to reply to you in your language. I have no grudges against any particular ethnicity for all of them are more or less same in their approach and attitude. Pease stop using words you do this, you do that, I have never supported MQM.

But you didn't support when Rangers raided the terrorist hideouts including nine-zero and other strongholds of MQM and instead you blamed the LeA for being biased and targetting specific community,and i wonder if it's not support then what else you call it...And yeah i don't have to recall you your dozens of racially motivated posts targeted specifically at a specific ethnicity...