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[cabatli_53]

ben hiçbir zaman hayatımda fetöyü desteklemedim nokta ama sen önce alman piçi ahmet hakanı savundun,hani şu bizim askerler ölürken demirtaşı çıkartıp saz çaldıran sonra akın öztürkü savundun onun da fetöcü ve amerikadan emir aldığı ortaya çıktı şimdi de ingiliz mandacılığının propagandasını yapıyon sen kaç kere aldatıldın onu söyle bana bu sadece bildiklerim ulan senin kaç tane suratın var birtanesine tükürecem yoksa hepsine mi tüküreyim

Bu şekil ithamlar, tartıştığınız konuyu ekseninden çıkarıp kişiselleştirmekten başka hiçbir amaca hizmet etmiyor. İlgili paragrafta bilgi kırıntıları olsa dahi mevzu çirkinleştiğinden dolayı adeta sidik yarışı misali kim daha fazla hakaret edip rencide edecek yarışına dönüşüyor. Tartıştığınız mevzularda bilginiz varsa ortaya koyun kaynaklarla destekleyin ve köşeye çekilin; hakaret etmek, küfretmek, surata tükürmek vb cümlelerle hiçbir mevzuda anlaşamazsınız aksine iş çıkmaza girer ardından biri diğerinin anasını ağzına alır, öteki başka türlü bir yol bulur (ki tecrübeyle sabittir) ben de topyekün müdahale etmek durumunda kalırım. Bu yüzden anlayışlı bir şekilde hakaret yerine bilgileri konuşturun, gerçekleri ortaya koyun medeni bir şekilde bırakın haklı olup olmadığınıza okuyanlar karar versin. Kimse sizden aynı dünya görüşüne sahip olmanızı beklemiyor fakat bir ortamda tartışılacaksa eğer bazı mevzular, bu kesinlikle hakaret etmeden, kışkırtmadan görüş alışverişinde bulunabilmeyi başarabilmeyi gerektirir aksi halde bu model bir tartışmayı MOD olarak kesip atmak bana düşüyor. Mevzu siyaset olduğunda Warning'ler, Ban'lar havada uçuşuyor bu da aslında forumun çöplüğe dönmemesi adına Savunma Sanayi ve Orduyla ilgili bir forumda teknoloji ağırlıklı tartışmaların olması için çaba sarfetmemizin ne kadar da haklı gerekçelere dayandığının bir göstergesi. Söylemlerinize dikkat etmeniz dileğiyle !

Warning issued !

 

[UkroTurk]

Demokrağsiye evet, darbeye nayır mitinglerinde , sakallı sarıklı adamlar tarafından tekbir getirilip , yeşil renk kelimei tevhid bayrakları açılıyor.
bu mu demokrasi anlayışı?

fetöcüler zayıflatılmış bir mikrop gibi, bir antibiyotik gibi bünyeye verildi.
fetöcüler gerçekten orduya çok büyük zarar verdiler.
Şu anda bütün savaş gemilerimiz,çıkarma gemilerimiz personel tarafından bozulmuş durumda. Allah korusun,Yunanistan istese Kıbrısı ve İzmiri alır.

 

[CrimsonFury]

Demokrağsiye evet, darbeye nayır mitinglerinde , sakallı sarıklı adamlar tarafından tekbir getirilip , yeşil renk kelimei tevhid bayrakları açılıyor.
bu mu demokrasi anlayışı?

fetöcüler zayıflatılmış bir mikrop gibi, bir antibiyotik gibi bünyeye verildi.
fetöcüler gerçekten orduya çok büyük zarar verdiler.
Şu anda bütün savaş gemilerimiz,çıkarma gemilerimiz personel tarafından bozulmuş durumda. Allah korusun,Yunanistan istese Kıbrısı ve İzmiri alır.

Yunanistan benim S..... ucunu alır. Zırvalama şurada

 

[UkroTurk]

Ha ha ha
Kazmalarla saldırırsın yunan tanklarınaonlarda hemen teslim olur.

Şu anda savaş gemilerinin bütün muharip parçaları bozuldu.
Tsk yı yok ettiniz. İslami devlet peşindesiniz .Chp ve mhp denen muhalefette aynı hikayede.

 

[CrimsonFury]

Ha ha ha
Kazmalarla saldırırsın yunan tanklarınaonlarda hemen teslim olur.

Şu anda savaş gemilerinin bütün muharip parçaları bozuldu.
Tsk yı yok ettiniz. İslami devlet peşindesiniz .Chp ve mhp denen muhalefette aynı hikayede.

Biz Ukrayna ya benzemeyiz. Haydi işine

İslami devlet peşinde olsaydık çoktan ya olmuştu ya da iç savaş çıkmış olur du. Ama ben keyfini bozmayayım, takıl sen

 

[CrimsonFury]

Turkish PM signals army restructuring after coup attempt
ANKARA

The Turkish Army is set to be restructured in order to overcome the security vulnerabilities that surfaced during the failed coup attempt on July 15, Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım has said during a televised interview.

“First of all, there is a serious need for restructuring in [public] institutions, especially the [Turkish] Armed Forces [TSK],” Yıldırım told Bloomberg News on July 25.

“There is a security gap, as we have seen during the coup attempt. There are problems in [the] hierarchy between lower level and senior level [officials.] We will restructure [the army] in a manner that will resolve these problems,” the prime minister added.

Yıldırım’s remarks were in line with his earlier statements, in which he suggested the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) government would work with military experts “to do what is right” for Turkey and its army.

“This incident showed us that the presidency of [the] Turkish General Staff can easily be invaded. It should not be so easy to enter and invade these places. It is the heart of the armed forces,” Yıldırım said during an interview with private broadcaster A Haber on July 24, in response to a question regarding plans to move troops to provincial outskirts.

The prime minister was also asked whether the government had plans to shift to an entirely professional army, instead of one that included conscripts. Yıldırım said the exact nature of the measures was still not clear, however the necessity to reform was clear.

In another interview the same day, the prime minister underlined that the army would not even dare to organize a coup attempt after all the necessary changes were made.

“Structures which produce revolutions should no longer have a place within the [Turkish] Armed Forces. In the modern world, the army of a developed country cannot be a threat to its own country, to its own nation. We need to stop it from becoming a threat,” Yıldırım said during a joint interview with private broadcasters NTV and Star, adding the road to success goes through structural reforms.

“There will be such changes that they will not even dare to make an attempt,” the prime minister said, underlining the government knew which steps to take politically.

“We know what to do politically. The practices in similar countries are clear. The relations between the military and politics are clear. We will review all this and carry on with the most suitable structure for our country.”

A group of soldiers from the Turkish military, allegedly sympathizers of U.S.-based Islamic scholar Fethullah Gülen, attempted to overthrow the democratically-elected government in Ankara by means of a failed coup attempt on July 15.

At least 246 people were killed overnight on July 15, excluding the coup plotters, while 2,100 others were injured.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tu...empt.aspx?pageID=238&nID=102053&NewsCatID=338

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Hayırlısı bakalım ne gibi modifikasyonlar yapacaklar

 

[Levina]

Non of them works for the good of the country,they all have their own agenda's

In that case would you have supported the coup? Had it been successful, do you think it would have worked in favour of Turkey???

It is happening but considering that Gülens schools are serving more than 2 million students around the world since decades its hard to imagine how many of them infiltrated the state, also many have been released already.

But going Erdogan's past, isn't he also a supporter of Islamist politics?
So why are Gulen and Erdogan against each other?


Guyz I'm sorry. I'm just curious and still trying to piece the news together. Thanks for being so cooperative and patient while replying back.

 

[xenon54 out]

But going Erdogan's past, isn't he also a supporter of Islamist politics?
So why are Gulen and Erdogan against each other?

He is, he worked together with gülen for years, even before he became prime minister in 2002, but nobody knows why a war broke out between them, it only became obvious in 2013, thats all we know.

The reason why i support Erdogan against gülen is that i dont trust a islamist cult leader recruiting people to undermine the state, Erdogan might be conservative but he hasnt brought a single religious law in 15 years and even defended the secular system of Turkey on some occasions, gülen openly exposed his aim for a theocratic state, Erdogan on the other hand might be authoritarian but i dont believe he is aiming for theocracy.

If you have more questions im willingly to answer them, dont worry.

 

[Yatağanlı]

He is, he worked together with gülen for years, even before he became prime minister in 2002, but nobody knows why a war broke out between them, it only became obvious in 2013, thats all we know.

The reason why i support Erdogan against gülen is that i dont trust a islamist cult leader recruiting people to undermine the state, Erdogan might be conservative but he hasnt brought a single religious law in 15 years and even defended the secular system of Turkey on some occasions, gülen openly exposed his aim for a theocratic state, Erdogan on the other hand might be authoritarian but i dont believe he is aiming for theocracy.

If you have more questions im willingly to answer them, dont worry.

you voiced many Turks's opinion perfectly. I'd rather have an asshole democratically elected conservative president than an asshole theocratic islamist dictator.

 

[xenon54 out]

you voiced many Turks's opinion perfectly. I'd rather have an asshole democratically elected conservative president than an asshole theocratic islamist dictator.

Whats worse than a dictatorship? A theocratic dictatorship.

 

[Trick2UAV]

For the ppl who understand german, ARD streaming a interview with Erdogan:
http://mediathek.daserste.de/live

 

[kartal1]

For the ppl who understand german, ARD streaming a interview with Erdogan:
http://mediathek.daserste.de/live

Its on CNN Turk

 

[Trick2UAV]

Its on CNN Turk

Ok , the Source is ARD but np its good that they stream it

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Ok , the Source is ARD but np its good that they stream it

Do you live in Germany?

 

[Trick2UAV]

Do you live in Germany?

yes i do, why?