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Allies fear the cost of Turkey’s instability
Anti-Isis coalition and Syrian rebels suffer as Ankara looks inwards after attempted coup
by: Erika Solomon in Istanbul and Geoff Dyer in Washington

Southern Turkey’s Incirlik air base was shut down for only a few hours as the plottersseeking to topple Recep Tayyip Erdogan were hunted, but it was long enough to illustrate the effect Turkey’s instability can have beyond its borders.


The US-led international coalition against Isis uses Incirlik to bomb territory under the jihadi forces’ control in northern and eastern Syria. And in the few hours that western fighter jets were grounded, Isis launched a wave of suicide attacks against the US-supported Kurdish militia.

The attacks on the People’s Protection Units (YPG) left dozens dead, according to people familiar with the battle.


“The YPG essentially lost its air force,” says a regional security official, who asked not to be named. “That could be catastrophic if it happened repeatedly.”

Turkey is a crucial actor in the Middle East, and its allies are concerned that as the country grapples with instability and shifts its focus to domestic affairs, the consequences for the region could be unpredictable and, for its allies, potentially dire.

Not only has Turkey, a Nato member, opened its air base to its western partners, it has also been a steadfast supporter of Syrian rebels, who use the shared 800km border as a logistical lifeline. Ankara has insisted on Syrian president Bashar al-Assad’s removal.

Syrian rebels said last week they noticed a drift in Ankara’s attention. They said Turkey was inactive as rebels struggled against a tightening siege by the Assad regime on Aleppo, the opposition’s last big urban stronghold. Aleppo’s fate could be critical to the outcome of the Syrian conflict.

“Usually, the Turks would be checking in a lot, meeting with commanders and making sure everyone is doing their jobs and sticking to the plan,” says a rebel leader from a US-backed group. “The Turks could get control of this situation — and now, they’re absent.”

Ankara’s purge against those suspected of involvement in the failed coup has seen more than 6,000 military personnel and 9,000 interior ministry employees dismissed, suspended or detained.

The commander in charge of Incirlik and the head of the military division responsible for Syria and Iraq are among more than 100 generals detained.

Aaron Stein, an analyst at the Washington-based Atlantic Council, says the bureaucratic mess of purging thousands from Turkey’s security and military forces could create co-ordination problems with Nato allies as well.

“Right now there is confusion in western capitals whether their counterparts still have their jobs,” says Mr Stein. “The western security folks are picking up the phone trying to call.”

Another worry is the war of words over Mr Erdogan’s demand that Washingtonextradite Fethullah Gulen, the US-based cleric who Ankara blames for instigating the coup attempt.

“If this American-Turkish struggle worsens … we could see a period of chaos much bigger than anything we’ve seen yet,” says a Syrian rebel leader, who fears that the two sides could work against each other through their Syrian proxies.

Washington insists that legal procedures have to be followed and evidence presented before Mr Gulen, who has denied any role in the coup attempt, can be extradited.

President Barack Obama on Friday felt the need to reiterate that the US had no knowledge or involvement in the failed coup attempt, highlighting the strained relationship between Ankara and Washington.

Soner Cagaptay, a Turkey analyst at the Washington Institute, said handling of the Gulen case could have a fundamental effect on US relations.

“If Erdogan is not satisfied that the US government is taking this seriously, he might pack up and go with Russia,” says Mr Cagaptay.

But Incirlik is not irreplaceable, argues military analyst Michael O’Hanlon, who points out that there are bases in the Gulf that US forces can use, less than an hours’ flight from most Isis targets.

Washington’s Syria partners, however, say that is one hour too long. It takes 15 minutes to reach targets from Incirlik, and that is sometimes not quick enough to halt a suicide bomber driving straight towards them.

Turkey’s relations with the anti-Isis coalition could also worsen if it takes a more aggressive approach towards its Kurdish rivals, particularly the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), a militant group seeking greater Kurdish autonomy that has been at war with Turkey for decades.

Kamal Chomani, a Kurdish analyst close to the PKK, says the YPG could be an easier target for Turkey because Syria’s Kurdish militia is not hiding out in mountains, but operating openly in the largely semi-autonomous enclave it has carved out just south of Turkey’s border.

Targeting the YPG could unify Turkish rivals, he says: “The PKK is now taking measures because Erdogan could direct the army to attack [YPG] so the nationalists in the army and society will support him.”

Amid the confusion, some of Mr Erdogan’s rivals — namely those backing Mr Assad — seemed almost gleeful that one of the biggest regional actors in Syria’s civil war could be hamstrung by its own internal strife.

A diplomat close to Russia said Mr Assad, who enjoys Moscow’s backing, was still “waiting and watching” to see whether he could use Turkey’s instability to push Ankara to rush and make a deal to end the Syrian conflict at the co of its long-time rebel partners.

“They [Ankara] are going to be too caught up in their own affairs to worry much about the rest of the region,” he says. “ It’s hard to pretend I’m not happy about that.”

Additional reporting by Nazih Ossieran
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Demek neymiş: İncirlik kapansa YPG/PKK sürüler halinde gebermeye mahkumlarmış...hemen kapatmaları lazım. Sikmişim NATO yu
 
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Syrian rebels said last week they noticed a drift in Ankara’s attention. They said Turkey was inactive as rebels struggled against a tightening siege by the Assad regime on Aleppo, the opposition’s last big urban stronghold. Aleppo’s fate could be critical to the outcome of the Syrian conflict.

“Usually, the Turks would be checking in a lot, meeting with commanders and making sure everyone is doing their jobs and sticking to the plan,” says a rebel leader from a US-backed group. “The Turks could get control of this situation — and now, they’re absent.”
Neymis,neymis?
 
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Ha yani sırf Halep düşmesin diye YPG ye zarar gelmesin, bunu mu ima ediyorsun?
Ha,sirf bir kac tane YPGli gebersin diye,Turkmenlerin nerdeyse hepsi gebersin,sende bunumu ima ediyorsun?
Halep giderse sinir ne olur,tamamen YPG/PKK olmazmi?
Mademki bir ise basladin,ya sonunu getir yada hic baslama.
Ama haklisin,o kadarini dusunmek biraz yorucu.
 
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Ha,sirf bir kac tane YPGli gebersin diye,Turkmenlerin nerdeyse hepsi gebersin,sende bunumu ima ediyorsun?
Halep giderse sinir ne olur,tamamen YPG/PKK olmazmi?
Mademki bir ise basladin,ya sonunu getir yada hic baslama.
Ama haklisin,o kadarini dusunmek biraz yorucu.
İncirlik üssünü kapat, sadece kendin kullan.
Rusya ile anlaş, Suriye hava sahasına gir ve YPG yi bombala.
Gerekirse Şam ile anlaş sonra onlarla birlikte YPG yi temizle ve sınırı güven altına al. Assad ı ne AB ve ABD göndereck isteğe ait artık uyan.
O Halep te devrimci olacak olan salaklardan bize ne? Cidden diyorum 5 sene bir sonuç alınamamış. Türkmenlere gelince.onları da YPG ve IŞID e karşı tam tanınan bir milis haline getirirsin ve Rusya ile anlaşabilirsen ne Moskova ne de Şam onları bombalar.
Madem sonuçlar istiyorsun pragmatik ve gerektiğinde acımasız olacaksın.
Ama haklısın, o kadarını düşünmek biraz yorucu.

Zaten Erdogan Putin ile görüşmeye gidebilir..belli olmaz neye karar verileceği.
 
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İncirlik üssünü kapat, sadece kendin kullan.
Rusya ile anlaş, Suriye hava sahasına gir ve YPG yi bombala.
Gerekirse Şam ile anlaş sonra onlarla birlikte YPG yi temizle ve sınırı güven altına al. Assad ı ne AB ve ABD göndereck isteğe ait artık uyan.
O Halep te devrimci olacak olan salaklardan bize ne? Cidden diyorum 5 sene bir sonuç alınamamış. Türkmenlere gelince.onları da YPG ve IŞID e karşı tam tanınan bir milis haline getirirsin ve Rusya ile anlaşabilirsen ne Moskova ne de Şam onları bombalar.
Madem sonuçlar istiyorsun pragmatik ve gerektiğinde acımasız olacaksın.
Ama haklısın, o kadarını düşünmek biraz yorucu.

Zaten Erdogan Putin ile görüşmeye gidebilir..belli olmaz neye karar verileceği.
Kim yapacak bunlari,Erdoganmi?
 
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Demek suphe ediyorsun,olan bize olmaya devam edeceginden?
Tek dediğim eğer Suriye politikalarımızı değiştirmezsek hiçbir şekilde bize bir yarar ortaya çıkmayacak. Ya değiştireceğiz ya da Suriye de kaybetmeye mahkumuz.
 
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(Bank Asya açılış Töreni)

''Ne istediler de Vermedik'' ortaklığı:

  • 3 Kasım 2002 Milletvekili Seçimleri
  • 28 Mart 2004 Yerel Seçimleri
  • 22 Temmuz 2007 Genel Seçimleri
  • 29 Mart 2009 Yerel Seçimleri
  • 12 Haziran 2011 Genel Seçimleri
  • 2007 yılı Cumhurbaşkanı halkın seçmesiyle ilgili referandum
  • 12 Eylül 2010 tarihli anayasa değişikliği referandumu (Anayasa Mahkemesi, Yargıtay, Danıştay, özellikle Hakimler ve Savcılar Yüksek Kurulu (HSYK)’nın yapısını, görev ve yetkilerini değiştiren-düzenleyen maddeler oylanmıştı.)
  • Ergenekon (Dönemin Başbakanı Tayyip Erdoğan’ın her fırsatta desteğini vurguladı, kendisini “savcısı” ilan etti), Balyoz, Devrimci Karargah,Askeri Casusluk, Oda TV Davaları
  • Çözüm Süreci
ErdoganGulen.jpg



Bütün bu işbirliklerinin Ülke, Devlet ve insanlarımıza Zararlarını - ölümler, onur intiharları, şerefleri ayaklar altına alınan onurlu insanlar, hayatları karartılmış aileler ve çocukları- zaten yaşamaktayız, anlatmak lüzumsuz; fakat işbirliğinin kendisini hatırlamak namuslu ve onurlu her vatansever için zaruridir.
 
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They are aiming for a theocracy and they wanna reach their goal by undermining the state with thousand of their own people since they know they dont have a chance by using force.
Do you expect another bigger coup anytime soon to counter Erdogan?
How has this coup effected ppl within Turkey? Are the thousands of arrests really happening or just an exaggeration?

You know i dont.
Which political leader do you support? and why?

I wanted to say,''why did you write all that about me?'':sarcastic::sarcastic::sarcastic:
Lolz
It wasnt about you, but for a few self proclaimed intellectuals. :P
 
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(Bank Asya açılış Töreni)

''Ne istediler de Vermedik'' ortaklığı:

  • 3 Kasım 2002 Milletvekili Seçimleri
  • 28 Mart 2004 Yerel Seçimleri
  • 22 Temmuz 2007 Genel Seçimleri
  • 29 Mart 2009 Yerel Seçimleri
  • 12 Haziran 2011 Genel Seçimleri
  • 2007 yılı Cumhurbaşkanı halkın seçmesiyle ilgili referandum
  • 12 Eylül 2010 tarihli anayasa değişikliği referandumu (Anayasa Mahkemesi, Yargıtay, Danıştay, özellikle Hakimler ve Savcılar Yüksek Kurulu (HSYK)’nın yapısını, görev ve yetkilerini değiştiren-düzenleyen maddeler oylanmıştı.)
  • Ergenekon (Dönemin Başbakanı Tayyip Erdoğan’ın her fırsatta desteğini vurguladı, kendisini “savcısı” ilan etti), Balyoz, Devrimci Karargah,Askeri Casusluk, Oda TV Davaları
  • Çözüm Süreci
ErdoganGulen.jpg



Bütün bu işbirliklerinin Ülke, Devlet ve insanlarımıza Zararlarını - ölümler, onur intiharları, şerefleri ayaklar altına alınan onurlu insanlar, hayatları karartılmış aileler ve çocukları- zaten yaşamaktayız, anlatmak lüzumsuz; fakat işbirliğinin kendisini hatırlamak namuslu ve onurlu her vatansever için zaruridir.
arkadaş senden iyi başbakan olur ugandada olsaydım oyumu sana kullanırdım :smokin:
 
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Do you expect another bigger coup anytime soon to counter Erdogan?
I dont know but what i do know is that there are rumours.
Some sources say that this was just a test to see if Erdogan has the people with him and that there will be something bigger coming.
Others say that this was it and that its over.
However,if Erdogan would think its over,why would he want the people to stay on the streets,free public transport for all,makes you think.
How has this coup effected ppl within Turkey?
The common folk has nothing to fear,life goes on as usual.
Are the thousands of arrests really happening or just an exaggeration?
Already happened and continuing until satisfied.
Which political leader do you support? and why?
There is no-one to support,so i dont support any of them.
Non of them works for the good of the country,they all have their own agenda's:tsk::tsk::tsk:
 
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Do you expect another bigger coup anytime soon to counter Erdogan?
Everybod in Turkey went to the steets to protest coup nobody supports it, another coup from another franction is unlikely.
From todays CHP democracy rally:

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How has this coup effected ppl within Turkey?
People are united, maybe the first time since the last years in such a scale.

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Are the thousands of arrests really happening or just an exaggeration?
It is happening but considering that Gülens schools are serving more than 2 million students around the world since decades its hard to imagine how many of them infiltrated the state, also many have been released already.
 
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bank-asya-a%C3%A7%C4%B1l%C4%B1%C5%9F-i%C3%A7.jpg

(Bank Asya açılış Töreni)

''Ne istediler de Vermedik'' ortaklığı:

  • 3 Kasım 2002 Milletvekili Seçimleri
  • 28 Mart 2004 Yerel Seçimleri
  • 22 Temmuz 2007 Genel Seçimleri
  • 29 Mart 2009 Yerel Seçimleri
  • 12 Haziran 2011 Genel Seçimleri
  • 2007 yılı Cumhurbaşkanı halkın seçmesiyle ilgili referandum
  • 12 Eylül 2010 tarihli anayasa değişikliği referandumu (Anayasa Mahkemesi, Yargıtay, Danıştay, özellikle Hakimler ve Savcılar Yüksek Kurulu (HSYK)’nın yapısını, görev ve yetkilerini değiştiren-düzenleyen maddeler oylanmıştı.)
  • Ergenekon (Dönemin Başbakanı Tayyip Erdoğan’ın her fırsatta desteğini vurguladı, kendisini “savcısı” ilan etti), Balyoz, Devrimci Karargah,Askeri Casusluk, Oda TV Davaları
  • Çözüm Süreci
ErdoganGulen.jpg



Bütün bu işbirliklerinin Ülke, Devlet ve insanlarımıza Zararlarını - ölümler, onur intiharları, şerefleri ayaklar altına alınan onurlu insanlar, hayatları karartılmış aileler ve çocukları- zaten yaşamaktayız, anlatmak lüzumsuz; fakat işbirliğinin kendisini hatırlamak namuslu ve onurlu her vatansever için zaruridir.
Bir şey daha
arkadaş nostradamus geleceği sen de geçmişi görüyon ne iş o kadar ileri görüşlüysen söyle medyum seko :woot:15 sene sonra cim bom şampiyon olacak mı ? :partay:
 
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