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Wow, all Evangelist talking points... have you converted to Christianity, my friend?
In fact, "Allah" is simply the Arabic equivalent of the English word "God." It's a contraction of two words, the Arabic definite article "al" (essentially equal to English "the") and the Arabic noun "ilah," meaning "god" with a lower case "g." Arabic script has no capital , so attaching the definite article to "ilah" serves the purpose. While "ilah" can refer to a pagan "god," "Allah" cannot. Instead, it designates "The God"— the one true God of Abrahamic monotheism.
In its turn, "ilah" is closely related to a much more familiar word from the Hebrew Bible: "Elohim." If the Hebrew masculine plural ending "-im" is removed from it, "Elohim" becomes "Eloh," which is plainly related to Arabic "ilah," much in the same way that German "Gott" and its synonym, English "God," are related. (Arabic and Hebrew are linguistic cousins, from the same family of Semitic languages.)
Moreover, "Allah" is the word routinely used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews to refer to their God. "In the beginning," reads the Arabic translation of the first verse of Genesis, "Allah created the heavens and the earth." "In the beginning was the Word," reads the Christian Arabic version of John 1:1, "and the Word was with Allah, and the Word was Allah."
Have you read about pre-Islamic Arab mythology yourself? Cause I doubt you have.
Hubal (Arabic: هُبَل) was a god worshipped in pre-Islamic Arabia, notably by Quraysh at the Kaaba in Mecca. His idol was a human figure, believed to control acts of divination, which was in the form of tossing arrows before the statue.
Which sounds nothing like anything Allah(swt) does.
Also no correlation with Islam.
No, not at all.
The idea of 72 virgins in Islam refers to an aspect of paradise.
In a collection by Abu `Isa Muhammad ibn `Isa at-Tirmidhi in his Jami` at-Tirmidhi and also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir ibn Kathir of sura 55 it is stated:It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard Muhammad saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a.
However, regarding the above statement, Hafiz Salahuddin Yusuf has said: "The narration, which claims that everyone would have seventy-two wives has a weak chain of narrators and is not reliable to use as authentic hadith."
Importantly, some scholars argue that the promise of 72 virgins is a mistranslation from "72 angels" or even from "72 white raisins, of crystal clarity". According to Ibn Warraq referring to The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran, "Luxenberg claims that the context makes it clear that it is food and drink that is being offered, and not unsullied maidens or houris".
The relevant verses in the Holy Quran are as follows:
Thus will it be. And We shall consort them with fair maidens, having wide, beautiful eyes. [3]
‘Reclining on couches arranged in rows.’ And We shall consort them with fair maidens having wide, beautiful eyes. [4]
These verses make no mention of Jihad, holy war, or any type of fighting as the precondition to attain paradise.
Next, both Prophet Muhammad and the Qur’an reject the concept of heavenly reward via, “sex with beautiful women for eternity.” Prophet Muhammad clarified that such an interpretation could not be an applicable interpretation of the aforementioned verses. He said:
Allah the Exalted and Glorious, said: ‘I have prepared for My pious servants which no eye has ever seen, and no ear has ever heard, and no human heart has ever perceived but it is testified by the Book of Allah.’ He then recited: ‘No soul knows what comfort has been concealed from them, as a reward for what they did’ (32:18).’ [5]
Therefore, to limit Divine reward to something as hedonistic as “eternal sex” is not only contrary to Islam, but an insult to God’s bounty for those who earn paradise. The rewards of paradise are far beyond what any human can conceive or perceive in this life.
In Arabic, like in many Semitic languages, nouns are either masculine or feminine. Appropriately enough, a masculine noun is used when referring to a male and when referring to a female, an additional ‘ta marbuta’ is added to the end of the masculine noun to make it feminine. [6] For example, the Qur’an states:
And thou, O soul at peace! Return to thy Lord well pleased with Him and He well pleased with thee. So enter thou among My chosen servants, And enter thou My Garden. [7]
These four short Qur’anic verses describe the soul in Paradise both to refer to females, 89:28-29, and also to refer to males, 89:30-31. According to Islamic theology, unlike the human being, the soul is neither male nor female. This background builds the platform to properly understand the verses.
The Arabic noun translated to “fair maidens” is derived from the three Arabic letters, ha, vau, and ra, or hur [hoor]. The Arabic word hur is applicable to both men and women. It is applicable to men in its plural form, ahwar, and applicable to women in the same context. This title, bestowed upon an individual, indicates a character of having beautiful eyes—a reward for those righteous souls. It also indicates an intense whiteness to the eye. Both of the descriptions refer to spiritual matters, having nothing to do with any sort of hedonistic physical gratification.
Moreover, hur has no gender, but Islam teaches that no soul can reach its full potential until it has a spouse. Thus, this verse demonstrates that one reward of paradise is that the soul of each person—whether male or female—will be given a companion with which to celebrate paradise.
To be sure, these are yet metaphorical explanations that will more effectively be understood in the afterlife. In the meantime, suffice it to say that the allegation that the reward of martyrdom is hedonistic pleasure is a belief that finds no support in Islam in any capacity. This is clear from a sincere study of the Qur’anic Arabic.
Also history and research clearly shows that Aisha was never 6 or 9 during Marriage.
Aisha was thought to be 10 at the time of her betrothal and 15 at the time of her marraige. (Living Thoughts Of The Prophet Muhammad -pbuh, chapter 1)
However, later research showed that she was actually 15 at the time of her betrothal and 19 at the time of her marraige.
Research subsequent to the time of Maulana Muhammad Ali has shown that she was older than this. An excellent short work presenting such evidence is the Urdu pamphlet Rukhsati kai waqt Sayyida Aisha Siddiqa ki umar (‘The age of Lady Aisha at the time of the start of her married life’) by Abu Tahir Irfani. Points 1 to 3 below have been brought to light in this pamphlet.
The famous classical historian of Islam, Ibn Jarir Tabari, wrote in his ‘History’:
“In the time before Islam, Abu Bakr married two women. The first was Fatila daughter of Abdul Uzza, from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Then he married Umm Ruman, from whom Abdur Rahman and Aisha were born. These four were born before Islam.”
Being born before Islam means being born before the Call.
The compiler of the famous Hadith collection Mishkat al-Masabih, Imam Wali-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib, who died 700 years ago, has also written brief biographical notes on the narrators of Hadith reports. He writes under Asma, the older daughter of Abu Bakr:
“She was the sister of Aisha Siddiqa,wife of the Holy Prophet, and was ten years older than her. … In 73 A.H. … Asma died at the age of one hundred years"
This would make Asma 28 years of age in 1 A.H., the year of the Hijra, thus making Aisha 18 years old in 1 A.H. So Aisha would be 19 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage, and 14 or 15 years old at the time of her nikah. It would place her year of birth at four or five years before the Call.
The same statement is made by the famous classical commentator of the Holy Quran, Ibn Kathir, in his book Al-bidayya wal-nihaya:
“Asma died in 73 A.H. at the age of one hundred years. She was ten years older than her sister Aisha."
In fact, "Allah" is simply the Arabic equivalent of the English word "God." It's a contraction of two words, the Arabic definite article "al" (essentially equal to English "the") and the Arabic noun "ilah," meaning "god" with a lower case "g." Arabic script has no capital , so attaching the definite article to "ilah" serves the purpose. While "ilah" can refer to a pagan "god," "Allah" cannot. Instead, it designates "The God"— the one true God of Abrahamic monotheism.
In its turn, "ilah" is closely related to a much more familiar word from the Hebrew Bible: "Elohim." If the Hebrew masculine plural ending "-im" is removed from it, "Elohim" becomes "Eloh," which is plainly related to Arabic "ilah," much in the same way that German "Gott" and its synonym, English "God," are related. (Arabic and Hebrew are linguistic cousins, from the same family of Semitic languages.)
Moreover, "Allah" is the word routinely used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews to refer to their God. "In the beginning," reads the Arabic translation of the first verse of Genesis, "Allah created the heavens and the earth." "In the beginning was the Word," reads the Christian Arabic version of John 1:1, "and the Word was with Allah, and the Word was Allah."
Have you read about pre-Islamic Arab mythology yourself? Cause I doubt you have.
Hubal (Arabic: هُبَل) was a god worshipped in pre-Islamic Arabia, notably by Quraysh at the Kaaba in Mecca. His idol was a human figure, believed to control acts of divination, which was in the form of tossing arrows before the statue.
Which sounds nothing like anything Allah(swt) does.
Also no correlation with Islam.
No, not at all.
The idea of 72 virgins in Islam refers to an aspect of paradise.
In a collection by Abu `Isa Muhammad ibn `Isa at-Tirmidhi in his Jami` at-Tirmidhi and also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir ibn Kathir of sura 55 it is stated:It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard Muhammad saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a.
However, regarding the above statement, Hafiz Salahuddin Yusuf has said: "The narration, which claims that everyone would have seventy-two wives has a weak chain of narrators and is not reliable to use as authentic hadith."
Importantly, some scholars argue that the promise of 72 virgins is a mistranslation from "72 angels" or even from "72 white raisins, of crystal clarity". According to Ibn Warraq referring to The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran, "Luxenberg claims that the context makes it clear that it is food and drink that is being offered, and not unsullied maidens or houris".
The relevant verses in the Holy Quran are as follows:
Thus will it be. And We shall consort them with fair maidens, having wide, beautiful eyes. [3]
‘Reclining on couches arranged in rows.’ And We shall consort them with fair maidens having wide, beautiful eyes. [4]
These verses make no mention of Jihad, holy war, or any type of fighting as the precondition to attain paradise.
Next, both Prophet Muhammad and the Qur’an reject the concept of heavenly reward via, “sex with beautiful women for eternity.” Prophet Muhammad clarified that such an interpretation could not be an applicable interpretation of the aforementioned verses. He said:
Allah the Exalted and Glorious, said: ‘I have prepared for My pious servants which no eye has ever seen, and no ear has ever heard, and no human heart has ever perceived but it is testified by the Book of Allah.’ He then recited: ‘No soul knows what comfort has been concealed from them, as a reward for what they did’ (32:18).’ [5]
Therefore, to limit Divine reward to something as hedonistic as “eternal sex” is not only contrary to Islam, but an insult to God’s bounty for those who earn paradise. The rewards of paradise are far beyond what any human can conceive or perceive in this life.
In Arabic, like in many Semitic languages, nouns are either masculine or feminine. Appropriately enough, a masculine noun is used when referring to a male and when referring to a female, an additional ‘ta marbuta’ is added to the end of the masculine noun to make it feminine. [6] For example, the Qur’an states:
And thou, O soul at peace! Return to thy Lord well pleased with Him and He well pleased with thee. So enter thou among My chosen servants, And enter thou My Garden. [7]
These four short Qur’anic verses describe the soul in Paradise both to refer to females, 89:28-29, and also to refer to males, 89:30-31. According to Islamic theology, unlike the human being, the soul is neither male nor female. This background builds the platform to properly understand the verses.
The Arabic noun translated to “fair maidens” is derived from the three Arabic letters, ha, vau, and ra, or hur [hoor]. The Arabic word hur is applicable to both men and women. It is applicable to men in its plural form, ahwar, and applicable to women in the same context. This title, bestowed upon an individual, indicates a character of having beautiful eyes—a reward for those righteous souls. It also indicates an intense whiteness to the eye. Both of the descriptions refer to spiritual matters, having nothing to do with any sort of hedonistic physical gratification.
Moreover, hur has no gender, but Islam teaches that no soul can reach its full potential until it has a spouse. Thus, this verse demonstrates that one reward of paradise is that the soul of each person—whether male or female—will be given a companion with which to celebrate paradise.
To be sure, these are yet metaphorical explanations that will more effectively be understood in the afterlife. In the meantime, suffice it to say that the allegation that the reward of martyrdom is hedonistic pleasure is a belief that finds no support in Islam in any capacity. This is clear from a sincere study of the Qur’anic Arabic.
Also history and research clearly shows that Aisha was never 6 or 9 during Marriage.
Aisha was thought to be 10 at the time of her betrothal and 15 at the time of her marraige. (Living Thoughts Of The Prophet Muhammad -pbuh, chapter 1)
However, later research showed that she was actually 15 at the time of her betrothal and 19 at the time of her marraige.
Research subsequent to the time of Maulana Muhammad Ali has shown that she was older than this. An excellent short work presenting such evidence is the Urdu pamphlet Rukhsati kai waqt Sayyida Aisha Siddiqa ki umar (‘The age of Lady Aisha at the time of the start of her married life’) by Abu Tahir Irfani. Points 1 to 3 below have been brought to light in this pamphlet.
The famous classical historian of Islam, Ibn Jarir Tabari, wrote in his ‘History’:
“In the time before Islam, Abu Bakr married two women. The first was Fatila daughter of Abdul Uzza, from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Then he married Umm Ruman, from whom Abdur Rahman and Aisha were born. These four were born before Islam.”
Being born before Islam means being born before the Call.
The compiler of the famous Hadith collection Mishkat al-Masabih, Imam Wali-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib, who died 700 years ago, has also written brief biographical notes on the narrators of Hadith reports. He writes under Asma, the older daughter of Abu Bakr:
“She was the sister of Aisha Siddiqa,wife of the Holy Prophet, and was ten years older than her. … In 73 A.H. … Asma died at the age of one hundred years"
This would make Asma 28 years of age in 1 A.H., the year of the Hijra, thus making Aisha 18 years old in 1 A.H. So Aisha would be 19 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage, and 14 or 15 years old at the time of her nikah. It would place her year of birth at four or five years before the Call.
The same statement is made by the famous classical commentator of the Holy Quran, Ibn Kathir, in his book Al-bidayya wal-nihaya:
“Asma died in 73 A.H. at the age of one hundred years. She was ten years older than her sister Aisha."
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