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[Zulkarneyn]

Can anyone here honestly tell me why CHP still gets around 20% in each election. Reality check, almost all their MP's are stupid, even their leader Kilicdaroglu is truly incompetent?

This isn't a question to anger anyone. As a Turk who acknowledges and respects the Republic and our Empire i have truly no idea how CHP does not loose its popularity.

Lure is a self professed expert. Don't even bother reading his long messages, he is as arrogant as they come

 

[Lure]

Yalanla, adam kayırmayla, israfla, nefret söylemleriyle müslümanları temsil etmek de iyiymiş Bunlar siyasette olağan oldu tabi yapacak birşey yok. Ama bari adamların müslümanlığı, islamı temsil ettiğini söyleyip de bu isimleri de kirletmeyin. Muhafazakar kesimi temsil ediyor falan diyin. Bu hassasiyeti aslında müslümanların kendilerinin göstermesi lazım ama işte

İşin güzeli birde ben sadece tarihi bir gerçeği söylerim derdim Müslümanlıklar olur, adamlar otobüste kadın şort giydi diye uçan tekme atar ama dertleri asla dindar olmayan insanlarla olmaz. Hep mağdurum, hep mağdurum. Herkesin derdi müslümanlık kafaları.

AKP'den şikayet edip, CHP'nin de derdi müslümanlarla AKP müslümanlığı temsil ediyor diyip sonra tekrar AKP'ye dönmek falan. Hiç bir zaman anlayamayacağım şeyler. Ama anlamayada çalışmıyorum artık. Onlar memnunsa hallerinden bende 14 yılda kabulleneceğim kadarını kabullendim bir sıkıntı yok. Sadece kendileri şikayet etmesinler yeter.

Hayır AKP'nin yönettiği Türkiye'de yaşamayıp CHP'ye benzer bir kafanın yönettiği Hollanda'da yaşamak ayrı bir olay. Hani adamların kendiside aslında yaşadığı yer dünyevi ideolojiler tarafından yönetilsin ama biz Türkiye'de dua edip uçalım istiyor. Hayır bir şey değil bu AKP destekçisi gurbetçi arkadaşlarla pasaport değiştirme hakkımız olsa keşke. Ama onların asla döneceğini zannetmiyorum. AKP'yi uzaktan sevmek onlar için aşkların en güzeli.

 

[OguzSenturk]

Can anyone here honestly tell me why CHP still gets around 20% in each election. Reality check, almost all their MP's are stupid, even their leader Kilicdaroglu is truly incompetent?

This isn't a question to anger anyone. As a Turk who acknowledges and respects the Republic and our Empire i have truly no idea how CHP does not loose its popularity.

Lure is a self professed expert. Don't even bother reading his long messages, he is as arrogant as they come

It does loose popularity slowly as majority elder voters are passing to other world year by year, there is no future for that political party for sure Or one Kemalist will liberate CHP from K.K., that is the only way to save CHP and put them in racing field again.

 

[Targon]

Can anyone here honestly tell me why CHP still gets around 20% in each election. Reality check, almost all their MP's are stupid, even their leader Kilicdaroglu is truly incompetent?

This isn't a question to anger anyone. As a Turk who acknowledges and respects the Republic and our Empire i have truly no idea how CHP does not loose its popularity.

Lure is a self professed expert. Don't even bother reading his long messages, he is as arrogant as they come

That is because no right side party ever respects any of their ideals and life styles. They don't represent them in any possible way and see their thoughts as a threat instead of listening and establishing empathy.

Average CHP mp is not any more stupid then average mps of other parties. And Kılıçdaroğlu never got a change to prove is competence or incompetence.

@OguzSenturk

Even if CHP loses its popularity, the votes of their new generations will still stay in left oriented parties.(I know chp is not exactly left). Their sons and daughters will not suddenly switch to AKP or MHP.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

İşin güzeli birde ben sadece tarihi bir gerçeği söylerim derdim Müslümanlıklar olur, adamlar otobüste kadın şort giydi diye uçan tekme atar ama dertleri asla dindar olmayan insanlarla olmaz. Hep mağdurum, hep mağdurum. Herkesin derdi müslümanlık kafaları.

AKP'den şikayet edip, CHP'nin de derdi müslümanlarla AKP müslümanlığı temsil ediyor diyip sonra tekrar AKP'ye dönmek falan. Hiç bir zaman anlayamayacağım şeyler. Ama anlamayada çalışmıyorum artık. Onlar memnunsa hallerinden bende 14 yılda kabulleneceğim kadarını kabullendim bir sıkıntı yok. Sadece kendileri şikayet etmesinler yeter.

Hayır AKP'nin yönettiği Türkiye'de yaşamayıp CHP'ye benzer bir kafanın yönettiği Hollanda'da yaşamak ayrı bir olay. Hani adamların kendiside aslında yaşadığı yer dünyevi ideolojiler tarafından yönetilsin ama biz Türkiye'de dua edip uçalım istiyor. Hayır bir şey değil bu AKP destekçisi gurbetçi arkadaşlarla pasaport değiştirme hakkımız olsa keşke. Ama onların asla döneceğini zannetmiyorum. AKP'yi uzaktan sevmek onlar için aşkların en güzeli.

Geçen gün çok dolaysız söyledim; fakat şunu söylemeliyim.

AKP'nin genel yaklaşımı bir kabın şeklini almak, sonra da o kabın şekli bir kenara dursun, kabın hammadesi gibi davranmakta; fakat günü geldiğinde hammade bir tarafa şekli bile alamadığı ortaya çıkmakta.

Din bir kalıp olarak görülmekte; bu yüzden bir kesim onlara ''dinci'' demekte; fakat AKP kendisini Din ile eşdeğer tutmaya başladı; bakın burada bazı üyeler AKP'ye bir eleştiri yaptığınızda sizin müslümanlığınızı sorgulamakta. Bu örnek bile durumun enini ve boyunu ortaya koymak için yeterli.

Son FETÖ olayı da ortaya çıkarttı ki AKP İslamiyeti bilmiyor; Gülen anlamında Cemaatler, Tarikatlar vb. sapkınlıklar İslamiyetin hiçbir yerinde yok, fakat bu Dinciler en dindar olduklarını söylemelerine rağmen sanki dün müslüman olmuşlar gibi davranmakta yıllarca kutsal saydıkları Gülen'i yermekteler.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Average CHP mp is not any more stupid then average mps of other parties.

I respectfully disagree with this. If they truly were half as competent as AKP they would have been much more succesfull in every election since 2003, they haven't, in my opinion this has several explanations.
1: About 50-60% Turks are conservative/nationalist Anatolians who were fed up with past injustices and incompetent governments and parties.
2: The CHP party organization is ruled by a bunch of idiots who can't read the people and their grievances and concerns. If they were able to do this efficiently they would have accomplished something.

Either there is a great disconnection between the majority of Turkish voters and CHP or CHP is simply incompetent

 

[Targon]

I respectfully disagree with this. If they truly were half as competent as AKP they would have been much more succesfull in every election since 2003, they haven't, in my opinion this has several explanations.
1: About 50-60% Turks are conservative/nationalist Anatolians who were fed up with past injustices and incompetent governments and parties.
2: The CHP party organization is ruled by a bunch of idiots who can't read the people and their grievances and concerns. If they were able to do this efficiently they would have accomplished something.

Either there is a great disconnection between the majority of Turkish voters and CHP or CHP is simply incompetent

You think AKP does anything different? They can't understand the concerns of opposition either. Finger pointing them, calling them traitors is easier of course. They can't have their own views and concerns, its always the foreign intelligence services that are using them. Only true Turkish stance is AKP stance, according to them. The Gezi protests could be over in the same day its started, if only the government could show good will and listen to their concerns in a warm environment. But no, they had to provoke them because they don't even see them as fellow countrymen. Opposition is not even human.

There is basically no difference between mindset of akp and chp. All the political sides actually. AKP got the lead, simply because they know how to play with conservative majority.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

But no, they had to provoke them because they don't even see them as fellow countrymen.

Agreed.

AKP got the lead, simply because they know how to play with conservative majority.

That was exactly my second point. This has the following ramifications. The vast majority of Turks are associating themselves with AKP because they feel they are voicing their concerns better than CHP. If this wasn't the case, they wouldn't have increased their electorate with every successive election. Ergo, CHP either has to change their stance and listen to the greater concerns of Turks, including the conservatives, or they will continue as a useless opposition for decades, perhaps centuries. Or they will cease to exist and another party which is more inclusive will take their position

 

[Oublious]

İşin güzeli birde ben sadece tarihi bir gerçeği söylerim derdim Müslümanlıklar olur, adamlar otobüste kadın şort giydi diye uçan tekme atar ama dertleri asla dindar olmayan insanlarla olmaz. Hep mağdurum, hep mağdurum. Herkesin derdi müslümanlık kafaları.

AKP'den şikayet edip, CHP'nin de derdi müslümanlarla AKP müslümanlığı temsil ediyor diyip sonra tekrar AKP'ye dönmek falan. Hiç bir zaman anlayamayacağım şeyler. Ama anlamayada çalışmıyorum artık. Onlar memnunsa hallerinden bende 14 yılda kabulleneceğim kadarını kabullendim bir sıkıntı yok. Sadece kendileri şikayet etmesinler yeter.

Hayır AKP'nin yönettiği Türkiye'de yaşamayıp CHP'ye benzer bir kafanın yönettiği Hollanda'da yaşamak ayrı bir olay. Hani adamların kendiside aslında yaşadığı yer dünyevi ideolojiler tarafından yönetilsin ama biz Türkiye'de dua edip uçalım istiyor. Hayır bir şey değil bu AKP destekçisi gurbetçi arkadaşlarla pasaport değiştirme hakkımız olsa keşke. Ama onların asla döneceğini zannetmiyorum. AKP'yi uzaktan sevmek onlar için aşkların en güzeli.

Ulan siz buraya gelince ne kaybettignizi ancak anlarsiniz, Turkiye eskiye gore cok kotu narlarini atmaktan faz gec. Her gecen gun Turkiye'ye goc eden Turk cogaliyor. Eger yavurlar gibi yasiyorsan buraya cok guzel uyum saglarsin ozaman sana hak veriyorum bak. Ben Hans yada Kees gibi olmak istemiyorum olmuyorum da aralarinda da gezmiyorum. Forumlarda elin adamina Turkiye'yi sikayet etmiyorum. Kiymetini bilmiyorsun birgun anlarsin belki.

 

[Targon]

Agreed.

That was exactly my second point. This has the following ramifications. The vast majority of Turks are associating themselves with AKP because they feel they are voicing their concerns better than CHP. If this wasn't the case, they wouldn't have increased their electorate with every successive election. Ergo, CHP either has to change their stance and listen to the greater concerns of Turks, including the conservatives, or they will continue as a useless opposition for decades, perhaps centuries. Or they will cease to exist and another party which is more inclusive will take their position

Well, in order to play with conservatives, CHP has to give up on many of the ideals its defends. That is not healthy and should not happen. If they want to improve their popularity, they should spread their thoughts, via good propaganda, face to face meetings, and good speech skills. Good speech skills is especially important. You could be the shittiest politician ever, but if you give good speeches you are still gonna have significiant popularity. Unfortunate truth. Turkish voters are fluid. They can go after anyone they think is "charismatic".

@Oublious

Yaşadığın ülkeye uyum sağlamamak, yerlisininin arasına karışmayıp onları dışlamak övünülecek şeyler değil. Aynısını bu ülkede yapan hakkında olumlu düşünebilen çıkar mı? Kendi kendinizin adını çıkarıyorsunuz.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Turkish voters are fluid. They can go after anyone they think is "charismatic".

This goes for almost any nation. Charisma and character is half the battle, the other half is how well your propaganda machine/campaign works, you need bright minds for this. This is where CHP lacks, their party system and administration is outdated and in the hands of idiots. In other words, the potential is there, you just have to seize it

 

[Targon]

This goes for almost any nation. Charisma and character is half the battle, the other half is how well your propaganda machine/campaign works, you need bright minds for this. This is where CHP lacks, their party system and administration is outdated and in the hands of idiots

Well the main problem lies with population though. It is a problem if they look into your speech skills and trivial, stupid details about your look and character instead of looking into deep meaning of what you say and your capability. You can openly lie and people forget it instantly, is it normal?

 

[Baybars Han]

Akp
Erdoğan = Fethullah Gülen ne olur gel (Samanyolu tv)
Sonra - kandırıldık

AKP - çözüm süreci
Sonra - bizi kandırdılar hendek kazdılar
Sonuç - eyp her yerde terörist sokaklarda gezer oldu doğu da

Akp = hamasin peşine takılıp israil le ilişkileri boz sonra düzelt

AKP = Rusya uçağını vur sonra aman bu fetocu pilot olabilir vesaire sonra özür dile


Ya Allah aşkına bukadar çark olurmu?

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Well the main problem lies with population though. It is a problem if they look into your speech skills and trivial, stupid details about your look and character instead of looking into deep meaning of what you say and your capability. You can openly lie and people forget it instantly, is it normal?

That's why you must speak according to your public's capacity, once you've accomplished your objective, then you can start implementing your ideas and ideals, slowly but solidly. Isn't that almost what Mustafa Kemal and even Erdogan has done? Ataturk saw an empire on the brink of collapse, he managed to seize and fight off the invaders via values upheld in the Ottoman like Islam, motherland etc. Once they managed to create the Republic in 1923 he and his comrades started implementing a series of radical reforms meant to transform the Turkish society into "muasir medeniyyet" and thus, Turkish nationalism heavily replaced Ottoman ideals, slowly but steadily.

You cannot force your belief system with sheer force alone, you must act cunningly. Being idealistic doesn't exclude being cunning, you must sacrifice in order to gain an advantage, even at the expense of what you do may contradict your beliefs in the short term

 

[Baybars Han]

Cabatli please ban this zulkarnain troll he has like 50 accounts. I'm. 100% sure selim I is one of his accounts too.